{WE} FISHI: hey

[TTHS]Prophet: evening

Snowy: Yo. :o

rapture333: hello

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: Hello.

ShadowJ: hey

KalamEternal: hello everyone

BTAvatar: hello

{WE} FISHI: sup ppl

[Fx]GT: hello

Mystycs: wassup

jethrotoll: evening

theoriginalsnipe: Hi everyone

fragalanche: hey all

gmoney: hey guys

Mr. Man: Hey everyone :D

[cAs]MMOaddict: hey

Zalansho: Hey

snipingkid: Sups

Mystycs: which debate is this again

Mr. Man: lol

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Hey guys.

fragalanche: gl hf :D

[cAs]MMOaddict: future past and present of gaming

Mystycs: i knew that

Mystycs: lol

KalamEternal: pretty interesting topic

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: Hola Everyone.

BTAvatar: Indeed

[Fx]GT: yep

[Fx]GT: CIG

Paddy: hi all

jethrotoll: Go debate team?

[XFG]Greek: have they started?

theoriginalsnipe: Hi everyone what now?

Holy Flying Honky Ninja: hello?

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: 1 mor minute.

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: *more

[XFG]Greek: ok cool

Mr. Man: yeah one more room

Paddy: sweet

fragalanche: wow

Mr. Man: i forget which one though

fragalanche: keeping track of all this will be kinda tough...

SW/\\TK/\\TS | iii<H1M/\\: hi everyone!

[Xfire] Artaxs: Please keep the Chatter in Unofficial Chatter. This room is for debating the questions at hand (after the Debate starts).

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: this ought to be exciting.

corey: lol me 2

[Fx]GT: we gotta get the chat logging on or off

danzar: Hi all

rapture333: OK

Mr. Man: ayeaye

danzar: How is everyone?

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: chat logging off

KalamEternal: yes, those sounds drives me crazy

corey: yeah

[cAs]MMOaddict: I wish I had been in the last debate, oh well this should be good

[Fx]GT: same!!!

[Fx]GT: they had 2 debates on thursday

ShadowJ: aye

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: It should have started by now..

theoriginalsnipe: WOW how many are here?

[Fx]GT: i missed both cause of basketball

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: its 3:01...

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[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: Arizona :D

[Fx]GT: ends at like 7 or 8

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KalamEternal: for me it's like midnight :)

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theoriginalsnipe: 604pm here in Michigan USA

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: You guys, this room is only for debates, talk in the Unofficial Chatter room.

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: 3:02 in ARizona

Mr. Man: listen to chris woot

(WG0)Delta_32-1: 5:03 here in minnesota

corey: same here

theoriginalsnipe: rgr

rapture333: 6:04 in FLORDIA

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: we aer chattering in here cause we are waiting for the debate to start.

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: *are

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: deating on the time it is?

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: debating*

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: lol

danzar: HI pickles

[Xfire] Artaxs: We have an "Unofficial Chatter" room for chatting

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: delta, where in MN do you live?

[Xfire] Artaxs: I log this room for the Transcripts.

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: its 3 Pm over here

Mystycs: guys chat in other room lol

corey: lol

(WG0)Delta_32-1: elk river

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: kool, talk in the unofficial chat room now....im from richmond

jethrotoll: My debate is that there should be more games online that are focused on the fast action but RPG aspect of olden games like Golden axe

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: ok lets hold a little debate before the actual one begins:P

jethrotoll: and Games that have towers you scale and get items when going up.

Paddy: Golden Axe was truely legendary!

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: They should make more games like halo for PC.

jethrotoll: Ya

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think Bethesda should make more games

jethrotoll: I wishs more games like that were released .. But MMORPG style

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: I personaly hate halo

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: O.o they should make more games like Halo? there are too many.

CrazyCanuck: I liked Halo 1, but that's it

theoriginalsnipe: they do HAF

[3rd] £çksßládé: They are so damn good thats its almost good that they take there time

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think they're big enough company than to focus on one series...

Mystycs: Bioshock was great :)

corey: halo 1 and 3

jethrotoll: I really think that games are taking way too much of a Free MMORPG approach..

corey: 2 sucks

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: NThere maybe Shooting games, but barely any are like Halo.

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Also, Fallout 3 is coming from bethesda.

CrazyCanuck: I just played the bioshock demo, its awesome

ShadowJ: They focusing all on fallout 3 and money making schemes on the TES merchandise unfortunately

BTAvatar: I'm huge fan of Halo but I belive it should be left in bungie's hands

BrotherJohn: bioshock looks imba

jethrotoll: Fallout 3 will be legendary

rapture333: Bioshcok is a masterpiece

rapture333: nothing like it

corey: bioshock is awesome

Mystycs: Crysis cant wait to get hands on that

[XFG]Greek: i love the effects in bioshock

mrjones85: yea same

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: Same

[cAs]MMOaddict: yes bioshock is a great game

CrazyCanuck: yea, I just got a new computer, so I could finally play bioshock :D

ShadowJ: amen to Bioshock

BrotherJohn: hats off to them really

CrazyCanuck: definitely going to buy it

[cAs]MMOaddict: wish it would run on my pc

jethrotoll: I believe that games should start to become more Skilled based rather than Leveled base

[TTHS]Prophet: The natural evolution of gaming dictates that in 5-10 years time, single player games will be resigned to a purely console environment and the majority of PC games will be MMO.

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: What do you mean finally? It just came out >.>;;

jethrotoll: I mean we have lv's for so long now .. why not try something new.

rapture333: hmm

[cAs]MMOaddict: 512 megs of RAM T.T

rapture333: interesteing

[Fx]GT: yea i know

KalamEternal: Prophet you are right

dylex666: ya me to

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: meh. I'm waiting on my new video card before I make judgements on Bioshock. It's gameplay is pretty good, but the icing on the cake would be the graphics.

jethrotoll: I disagree

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: 4GB of RAM

rapture333: mmo only pcs.... It could be true but

BTAvatar: Gameplay beside, the undertones of Ayn Raynd really made bioshock a masterpiece.

Paddy: 2GB here lol:P

Mystycs: Personally i cant stand mmos lol

jethrotoll: I think that single player games will be resigned to the PC

danzar: Emeny terroty quake war... is going o be a good game

KalamEternal: But I still think, that best games were single player games.

CrazyCanuck: what video card are you getting Youkosnake?

BrotherJohn: same need 3.0 stuffs onyl got 2.0 altho there are patches to play on 2.0 seems alot of people wanted to play bioshock with them -_-

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: 2900XT

snipingkid: All I play is MMOs

jethrotoll: and that MMORPGS will become really popular on the consouls

[cAs]MMOaddict: are alienwares really as good as people make them out to be?

Mystycs: ETQW is not what i thought it would be

CrazyCanuck: very nice

[Fx]GT: i wish i could afford video card

[TTHS]Prophet: The graphics in Bioshock are excellent. There are a few bugs here and there but they are the best graphics I have seen in a game so far this year.

ShadowJ: that would be bad for gaming industry prophet. Not everyone likes or can play MMO's, in fact the only multiplayer games I play are ones like Halo and Ghost Recon

rapture333: so many different develpors have franchises in PC

corey: me 2

Mystycs: it actually is like BF2 and has many bugs still

Snowy: Alienware is meh.

Snowy: Laptops for gaming are meh aswell.

[Fx]GT: i can only play games like halo without having lag and stuff

CrazyCanuck: I personally wouldn't want to game on a laptop myself

mrjones85: my friend's alienware crashed pretty easily

[Fx]GT: fear i can play but lags lot

[cAs]MMOaddict: yeah laptops are really only good for WoW, if that lol

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: One game i realy want is Medal Of Honor Airbourne :D

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theoriginalsnipe: X-Fire withh this debate room follow the main floor debate or is this a open debate?

mrjones85: so i wouldnt recommend it

Snowy: I have a friend on a laptop and it sounds like an airplane :P

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Alienware is too expensive for what you get.

Tessa: Hey :)

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: i game on a laptop i can play anything even FPS

dylex666: Ya laptops are not good gaming systems

CrazyCanuck: building is where it's at

Paddy: Ive still not had the pleasure of even trying a demo of Bioshock. Seen the advert on TV.

corey: i am a master debater

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Building your own PC > Alienware

BTAvatar: The tablet mouse destroys aim in any FPS

SW/\\TK/\\TS | iii<H1M/\\: I got the Area 51 and its pretty good

Mystycs: Hell yah SOb

Mystycs: sov*

Mystycs: lol

Zalansho: I have a laptop

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Cheaper too!

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: the graphics on Medal of Honor airbourne are great

rapture333: with laptops you gotta worry about overheating

Snowy: Never said you couldn't game on a laptop. It's just that laptops dont have good airflow

Paddy: agree

Zalansho: Just use a seperate mouse to game

[Fx]GT: lol what can i say small things come in big packages (big one is the price lol)

CrazyCanuck: that's another demo I need to get

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: ..and how much did you pay for this Area 51? exactly.

Mystycs: I have a sony vaio but im just using the case and everything inside is just pimped out

rapture333: alot of overheating

Zalansho: Only thing is it's heavy

BrotherJohn: i never really got into moh i found it too slow for my liking -_-

theoriginalsnipe: no way any real gamer will build their own

[HAF]-ARD-ì©êЙ=AVP=: I heard that Airbourne had the graphics of the first Call Of Duty.

Paddy: soon as it was relased i was in the shops, i love the MoH franchise

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: I built my own ftw

[cAs]MMOaddict: I was kind of disappointed with CoD 3

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: laptops wouldnt be so bad at gaming if they wouldnt try to maximize graphics in every game

Mystycs: Also building your own you get to choose the parts you want which means yah

Mystycs: lol

mrjones85: its cod2 with a new name

AlphaAmar!: i liked it:S

[cAs]MMOaddict: it reminded me too much of the cheap MoH games

[TTHS]Prophet: The problem with MMOGs and consoles is that they have a much shorter life span than PC based MMOGs. PCs can be upgraded and thus MMOGs can upgrade graphics engines to keep the game going longer. That would be a much more messy affair on a console due to the restrictions the manifacturers place on modifying them. I don't think consoles are a pheasable environment for MMOG developement simply because of that fact.

rapture333: its starting guys check i tout

theoriginalsnipe: i have a quad core zeon game server i built last month

dylex666: Ya COD is the dame game in COD 3

[cAs]MMOaddict: nice

danzar: I agree

rapture333: Prophet has a point

dylex666: same*

Paddy: Thats why all the smart people buy PC's :D

[TTHS]Prophet: I don't doubt that we will see MMOGs for the consoles but I don't think they will have much of an anchorage there as they do and will do with PCs

[Fx]GT: Hello I am [Fx]GT from the Crimson Flux halo clan but You can just call me GT

CrazyCanuck: hi

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: well for COD3 it matters on what system

Kyuusai: HI

[cAs]MMOaddict: hey GT

SW/\\TK/\\TS | iii<H1M/\\: lol I play W/ the Area 51 (alienware) G5 (logitech) Tarantula (razer) & 5hv2 USB (Steelsound)

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: The only successful console-based MMO I've played was FFXI

[cAs]MMOaddict: I played it on 360 and got bored on the third level

dylex666: Hopefully COD 4 is going to be differant

danzar: Pc's will always over power Consoles that is the major down fall o the console

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Other than that, they don't compare

[TTHS]Prophet: FFXI success is debateable. It's a terrible game in general.

[Fx]GT: I am wearing my school uniform black polo with beige khaki

[cAs]MMOaddict: the main debate is starting guys

CrazyCanuck: yea, FFXI sucks..

Mystycs: Well consoles cant be upgraded which means you have to wait to a new realease of a new console

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: COD3 was made by a different developer, that is why there was crap :P

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Yes, but the only reason you can debate its success is because you looked at its stats post-WoW

Mystycs: so its just limited ot its game

CrazyCanuck: consoles have a life span of like 5-7 years though

mrjones85: good point youkosnake

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: Ok, please talk in the Unofficial Chatter room, so we can debate in here.

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: the only reason FFXI was sucessfull is because it had a bigger base in PC if I remember correctlyt

Paddy: shame the hype was big for CoD3 but it was a huge letdown

theoriginalsnipe: they are starting

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: It started on the PS2, Pickles

[Fx]GT: I go to charter school funded by Bill Gates its pretty cool

danzar: Well there was plenty of good mmo before wow

jethrotoll: But the money you put into a console will come out on the plus side instead of upgrading a PC every like 3 months. I think people prefeer to just buy one thing and wait a long time ( 2-3) for the upgrade and save there money for that. Also the consule to alot of people is more convient than PC's because you don't have to download the program only patchs. Besides the life span of a consul is long enough to were it pays for it self. And I haven't heard of any consoles getting hacked.

dylex666: Ya COD 3 was just a copy of COD 2

jethrotoll: Were as Comps get hacked all the time and peoples accounts just seem to vanish with all there hard earned stuff.

[Fx]GT: we get chick-fil-a dominoes arbys and taco bells for lunch

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: can you imagin what it would cost to stay in the up and up in consoles?

CrazyCanuck: Ive never had an account dissappear on me

danzar: THey hack console just as bad

CrazyCanuck: so I' have to disagree

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Xbox is the only one I've heard get hacked, though

Mystycs: they dont get hacked unless your an idiot

Mystycs: lol

dylex666: Ya because Xbox is a more internet based system

[Fx]GT: lol i heard they hacked mods on 360

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Gamesharing on PS3 leads to a lot of stolen accounts.

[TTHS]Prophet: I don't agree with that at all Jethro. Consoles are just specialised PCs and PCs can do a vast amount of things that consoles can't.

[TTHS]Prophet: and don't.

danzar: The console is as easy to hack into as the computer

Mystycs: did u guys see the 9999 year xbox ban? LOL

theoriginalsnipe: yes but X-box only gets hacked when you use the cheat chip

Paddy: Only downside about PC games is the fact that games can be hacked easily. for that consolse users should be greatfull

PrettyPanda: Yeah but also at the same time PS2 you could hack

jethrotoll: Thats very true. But still consuls are the better by for the average consumer

ShadowJ: actually Jethro the hardware of a console is priced cheap but the games are expensive...the PC hardware is expensive but games are cheap and so after a few years down the line they break even. Which after those few years you are left with a console that you need to BUY the new version of, whereas you can simply spend a less amount to upgrade the PC

Trentish: console*

jethrotoll: Any person who knows anything about computers gaming would buy a CP rather than a console.

Mystycs: And not everyone is technical with computers

jethrotoll: But that isn't the majority of the population

Holy Flying Honky Ninja: true

[Fx]GT: I have 360 Elite and it be Great to have Xfire Linked with Live!!

danzar: Besides the ahcking side of the PC games the compared of PC and console isnt close .. The point would be how strong the PC games are to the console

dylex666: A good upside of consoles are that with consoles you dont need to upgrade it like you have to with PCs

[cAs]MMOaddict: pcs are, have been, and always will be 100 times better than any console out there

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: The only real reason you can get hacked on PC gaming is if you're an idiot and A) GIve our your info, or B) Use third paty programs that give your info to someone else. It's rare that someone gets hacked when they didn't do either

[Fx]GT: even though i got silver membership lol

[Xfire] SDaria: ALRIGHT EVERYONE. THE DEBATE HAS OFFICIALLY STARTED. ALL RANDOM CHATTER SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE UNOFFICIAL CHATTER ROOM AND AS ALWAYS, SPAMMERS WILL BE MUTED. xbox sucks. pcs rule. =oP

corey: true

danzar: Agree

danzar: the pc is to strong of a mashine in comapred

rapture333: lol

[TTHS]Prophet: The hacking of consoles and PCs is liek the security of Mac and Windows. The only reason Mac don't have to deal with massive amounts of viruses is because its not profitable to write viruses for a system that only 20% of the market use. The same applies to PCs. IT's not so much viruses now either - more keyloggers.

Paddy: lol

fragalanche: consoles are probably generally more for easy going gamers, unless you have a hardcore fanbase like halo or WoW etc

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Yeah, games are, in the long run, what cost the most on a system. I don't care about blowing money on the hardware if it's going to get me great games.

ShadowJ: It doesn't take more than 10 minutes these days to learn the ins and outs of a PC...as long as you have patience and determination then anyone can learn...and dearly noted Sdaria just wanted to add my last 2 cents ;)

PrettyPanda: I wish these debates were at better times

[Fx]GT: cool let me know when those MMO's are done...If there free lol because I don't have a job being only 17

fragalanche: lol WoW isnt console nvm...

Trentish: Not so much "hacking of your account", I think he means hacking in terms of other people using aimbot, etc

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Please chat now in the other room, the debate is starting.

Holy Flying Honky Ninja: pc games are cheaper

[Fx]GT: Triumph of Wii and 360 lol

Mr. Man: yes, we should! The Wii and 360 are taking over the world...

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****FIRST QUESTION*****

 

deantak: Thank you all. Welcome. This panel is called the future of gaming. Shall we just cut to the chase? Should the subtitle be the Triumph of the Wii?

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Most of the time, you get a better oackage with all the great games on PC too. Most titles that are "exclusive" to a system generally come out for PC anyways.

Mr. Man: yes

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: No.

danzar: The Wii is a good mashien fo rit own use

Raven BROz: subtitle should definently be "The return of Jazz Jackrabbit"

[TTHS]Prophet: No - it really shouldn't. I depise hand helds and every 14 year old they reprisent.

Tolkienfanatic: No. More like "The Advent of Idiot Consumers"

danzar: The first in its field to do serval things

snipingkid: Wii dominates in gameplay and controls.

dylex666: Nintendos popularity has dropped since its founding

fragalanche: personally i'm blown away by what i've seen in terms of the wii

[Fx]GT: Nintendo is the!!!Classic!!! Gaming system lol I still get kick out 64

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: no becase what about all the PCs that people play solitare on and flash games......

Mr. Man: the Wii is an amazing console with many awesome features. if they could iron out their online strategy in the future, they would stand alone on the top.

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: No, because the Wii is not the only successful gaming console out now, because PCs are the future of gaming, in my opinion, because they're just more convenient since there's elbow room in the amount of games you can play, as opposed to consoles, because some are only on one console.

rapture333: The wii however, does not have the same graphical superiority the xbox and PS3 posses

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: 64 rocks dude, love it

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Not true, if anything, games that get bad reviews on the wii are generally because of the horrible controls.

????????(???)?????? !!: The Wii is killing gaming, in my opinion, as it's appealing to casual gamers and making developers think about what mini game they can pop out in a few weeks just to make a quick buck.

Starkid4u: the wii may offer more... active gaming, but it does genres like FPS and RTS really badly, its just a party game like Eyetoy really

fragalanche: i'm a gameplay > graphics guy, and seeing that illustrated int he wild success of the wii is really cool

[cAs]MMOaddict: yeah I think all consoles will become obsolete and PCs will dominate

unknown / sigma: If the current trends are any indication, then we should. The popularity of the wii's casual games and their ability to get people who don't play games into gaming is something the industry wants a piece of

[Xfire] Supercop007: Yes, I really think that the Wii brings gaming into a different dimension of play whereas you could conceivably doing anything from the PS3 and the x360 on a PC.

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[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I mean, sure a game will be fun, but if it looks like Superman 64, you may not want to play it all the time

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: casual games on PC are flash and solitar so my grandma is a gamer...seriously

Mystycs: I play with my wii all the time if you know what i mean baby

unknown / sigma: Games for the wii are really appealing to the broader percentage of gamers, which of course equals more potential money for developers -- this is going to lead to even more games being made in this style

[TTHS]Prophet: IT's inevitabel that MMOGs will get discussed at some point and I'd have to say that this years major breakthrough is the MMO markets continual growth - as it was last year and the year before that. I don't think I can identify a sector of the gaming industry that has grown at such a pace before.

Mystycs: lol

Starkid4u: thats, uneccecery...

Mr. Man: but when you look at metroid prime 3, they worked with the controls beautifully. bad controls aren't nintendo's fault, it's the developer's. unless nintendo is the developer, lol.

ShadowJ: Not always Vent. I am 20 yet I still play my Commodore 64. Graphics aren't everything. Nice to look at and make it easy on the eyes but if the storyline and gameplay aren't there then forget it

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: The real subtitle should be "The Triumph of the Gaming Market", because you really can't pinpoint one specific thing that is successful, it's opinion based

Mystycs: I never liked metriod series

danzar: The Wii controllers are soemthign that is great for the gaming world.. they set a standard for all other gaming system including PC

[Xfire] Supercop007: The big difference is that the Wii is catering to the entire audience where the entire family gets involved.

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: The wii isnt the best gaming system i have ever seen.....

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Everyone is biased as to what they have

Paddy: agree supercop

BrotherJohn: and its unique remote is cool lol -_-

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: my whole family plays PC games not console

dylex666: I dont have a Wii but my friend does and i usally get bored of playing it all the time

Mr. Man: exactly, and for those of us with tvs with round corners (curse you SV2000) we couldn't care less about HD graphics

[Fx]GT: How about Gaming Consoles United

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I think the PS3/360 appeal to a more hardcore gamer. Seems the Wii just brought in the casual.

theoriginalsnipe: IN MY OPINION Wii is for nominal gamers, those that participate as functional paramaters, but any true gamer, those like me who remember consils from the first showing of pong know that the PC is the only truly gamming outlet, look at atari, and what happened after the PHASE ran its course

dylex666: I agree

Mystycs: Xbox and PS3 is mostly just actions and killing wii is for ffamily and fun

danzar: The Wii as a "console" is the best of its time for the unquie things it offers

Paddy: Half the girls in my six form have a Wii :O must be doing somthing right

Tolkienfanatic: No one should have funded Club Penguin period.

mrjones85: good point youkosnake

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: well I sa "triumph of the computer" because thats what they all are and theat what they get programed on...

rapture333: The wii is out for a larger audience range, the causal gamer, the ps3/xbox360 are for the hardcore gamer which is probably a smaller population

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: the wii has a few probs, and i get bored playing it.....its just no fun

[TTHS]Prophet: I also don't think Idependents are that much of a thing to sing and dance about. They tend to put out cheap games that have the longevity of a hose pipe in a desert.

Trentish: I don't really understand people who say that a certain console or PC is the one "true" gaming platform

danzar: Well they all are

Mr. Man: the wii could use some upgrades in the hardcore department, i agree with you on that youkosnake

[Fx]GT: Unkwon lol you asked my question for me, no i havent played it but it maybe interesting

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Just think of it this way: Compare the Wii, to the Power glove. End of story. :P

Trentish: there can be many different platforms, it's okay, really

Mr. Man: lol?

[Xfire] Artaxs: Casual Games are like Gateway Drugs. It didn't take very long for my girlfriend to go from Bejeweled to WoW. =)

danzar: No !

danzar: poower glove

Starkid4u: the majority of people here would be PC gamers, at least wouldnt they? asking for an opinion here would be similar to asking people if they smell in an old peoples home.

Mr. Man: wow atraxs if i had that kind of luck...

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: all of the are computers anyways just diffrent hardware and OS

danzar: THe power glove is compared to sega

Trentish: I'm a PC gamer, a 360 gamer, a cell phone gamer, a portible gamer, blah blah blah

Trentish: I'm just a gamer...

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: lol

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: same

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: I could compare the power glove to a pile of dog feces

danzar: But it was a test

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: lol

fragalanche: ew... cell phone game...

Zalansho: Hah, winning now

danzar: and it failed

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: But the wii is what they should have worked on in the first part

Trentish: we don't have to be limited to one platform

[Fx]GT: Wii is pretty good because its been out for 2 years and still they keep running out when you try to get one lol

Paddy: :O

Zalansho: Who said anything was over?

corey: so much spam

Mr. Man: yeah, im willing to give any system a chance, even though i am slightly inclined toward nintendo

unknown / sigma: Indeed, taking a poll here isn't fair, since we all play pc games, and we all probably haven't experienced the consoles first hand

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I much more prefer to be a hardcore gamer than to play a game for 5 minutes and be bored with it. I want a game to draw me in with its attention to audio, story, and dare I say, graphics.

Trentish: frag- yeah I know, tetris ftw =(

danzar: but without test we would be where we are todfay with gaming

Mystycs: Truely gameplay has nothing to do with graphics and Horrible game could even have the best graphics

BrotherJohn: surely theres afew sort of games for the wii

danzar: so true

theoriginalsnipe: lets look at some facts,,,,first most games are developed on a PC, most or made for PC and the PC has been the forfront of all gaming since the term was even around

danzar: we all played ps1 and loved it

dylex666: true

fragalanche: i just mean seeing like... oblivion on a cell phone, no lie, i just wonder how it could work

Mystycs: So you shouldnt base graphics on saying for example " OMG THIS GAME HAS COOL GRAPHICS WOOT"

Trentish: Mystycs - *Lair*

Paddy: The Wii is new, and like the PS1 everyone had to have one. but peopler realised that when somthing better comes out it will be forgotten

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: I'd rather have a game with great gameplay and crappy graphics, than one with mind-stunning graphics and the worst gameplay ever.

[Fx]GT: To vladcole: Are you represenative for Microsoft scince your name has xbox in front of it?

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: lol

Mystycs: Yah you cant say a game is gonna pwn from graphics

danzar: AGREE ferris

[TTHS]Prophet: The Nintendo Wii works because it is laughable. It is a cheap console with cheap games for cheap gamers. That isn't an insult but in a ever more expensive world, the cheapest will always prevail. It's cost, not quality, that matters to the modern day consumer.

corey: They've been here all along. We just never realized what they needed

dylex666: I think the graphics of a game dont matter, its all about the gamepaly

danzar: No prophet

Trentish: graphics are extremely important, don't kid yourself

Mystycs: cause graphics can be sick but game could be as bad as like just bad lol

ShadowJ: Nintendo should have stuck with the N64....they lost it when Gamecube was released since the price was the only thing that appealed but they bought it back with the Wii due to the diversity of the controls. True my arm aches from playing it lastnight but it was a great way to waste two hours while with friends instead of just driving around every night

Mr. Man: i hope not many people out there buy games based on graphics. i would be a very sad person if i found an example of this.

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: wii = 12 years

????????(???)?????? !!: I think PC gaming is possibly dying, as devs are constantly trying to push for the best graphics, audio, etc., forcing a lot of people into the category of not being able to play it. I think one of the reasons WoW is so popular is it can run on a variety of machines

fragalanche: okay, so where do people stand on graphics vs gameplay, for that matter

Mystycs: But ofcourse i love graphics :)

[TTHS]Prophet: Oblivion is an example of crappy gameplay + great graphic

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: pc = big league

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: I mean, people get excited about games if they have awesome graphics only. Everyone was hyped about Oblivion, because it was such a disappijntment

[TTHS]Prophet: it broke my mind in more than one way

rapture333: Just because the Wii has 20 games with the word Mario in it doesent mean its great

Tessa: The Wii is popular amongst the extremely young crowd. I am 23 years old and have no interest in the games the Wii has besides trauma center, which I got bored fast of..

jethrotoll: I disagree

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: the 64 was like the best system out there, its great, i still play it

nerdy100: I think future tech should go to improving gameplay and leaving current gen graphics as is

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Er, but it was*

theoriginalsnipe: also i would like to make a point that even the consold have PC all over them now, with HARD DRIVES and NEW CORE proccesing

ShadowJ: Please explain Prophet ;)

[3rd] £çksßládé: No way, Oblivion is amazing in both categories

jethrotoll: GAme play is more important than content

BrotherJohn: Mean look at all the orginal games their graps was well bad and yet they sold so many based on their gameplay

Mystycs: Also dont forget WII is good for fat kids to loose weight

jethrotoll: Anyone who is a gamer will know this.

Mr. Man: FranK, Wii for 12 years? Really? How so?

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: It's not like all games on PS3/360 have going for them is in their graphics department. You can have great games, Lair, Dead rising, Gears, Resistance, GRAW2, all great games, good graphics as well. You can't jsut say Wii automaticall has better games.

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: nintendo is always produced stuff that you can hop on for a few and don't feel obligated to stay.

unknown / sigma: That's definitely not true -- although the Wii's price point helps it sell, people love new innovations, the controller and game style is like nothing we've seen before. People would buy the wii if it was a fair bit more expensive

dylex666: A game's graphics isnt the main part of a game its supposed to be all about the gameplay

danzar: The game play with the Wii is new to the gaming world .. So it forwn down apone because its out of the box.. but thats the things we need to go future in gameing

Ghost: I guess Wii diversifies the experience it bring something new to the table games are so complicated that new gamers can't take it up and I think that is the appeal of the Wii.

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: oblivion was no good i got bored after 20 minutes

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: plug to tv then play

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Oblivion has good gameplay, but it's all about the sidequests and not the main story.

[Fx]GT: Apocalyptica : The only flaw is the sensitivity to extreme motion. It is great but with players who like to swing fast the game cannot handle that extreme speed

fragalanche: hey man i was a fat kid until a few years ago... when i turned into a fat adult

Mystycs: Wii's make fat kids loose weight!

Starkid4u: the wii could be described as revolutionery, but then again, so could the atom bomb, just because somthing is NEW dosent mean it is GOOD. when i look at anyone playing a wii FPS, i'm instantly reminded of doom, or other prehaps an arcade shooter, slow turning, dodgy aiming, and everything similar. i belive the wii would appeal to the casual gamer, such as a PC gamer that plays flash games, while other consoles, and even the PC, would appeal to hardcorew gamers like those currently here

Trentish: did someone just say Lair is a good game?

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: its a very nice console

danzar: everyhting new is good

corey: gameplay story line

Mr. Man: so then i would say that the wii is revolutionarily good, starkid

Mr. Man: :D

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Danzar: The new Michael Jackson

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Not good, is it?

danzar: jsut what we do with iit makes it good or bad

Mr. Man: wow

Mystycs: Beat it!

Trentish: didn't make anyone else have a brain hemorrage?

Paddy: The wii is a poor mans pass time . period :P

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Yes. lair was great :P I enjoy it.

[Fx]GT: Hehe I made michael Jackson on the wii

dylex666: i agree

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: I bet you own a PS3 then, Paddy

Mystycs: Truely im not into consoles that much, but i would go with the WII

danzar: what we do with new things is where we lead things to be

mrjones85: nice

Mr. Man: The Wii is a poor man's outlet to the world of gaming

Paddy: i have 360 and pc

jethrotoll: Guys

jethrotoll: Calm down

Trentish: my frontal lobe hurts just thinking of it =(

[TTHS]Prophet: Oblivion does not have good gameplay by any stretch of the imagination when you compare it to games like Two Worlds and classics like Neverwinter Nights. For example, the control of your character when mounted is slow and laggish. The graphics engine needs to be set to full in order for the game to even vaguely be enjoyable

Mystycs: I agree with Max

Mr. Man: fix'd :D

Bobby: Do you think modern consoles are missing the point and focusing on graphics rather than gameplay?

jethrotoll: We need just a few people talking

Paddy: but i only play pc bf2 :P

jethrotoll: to have a real debate..

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: i dont even need a console

jethrotoll: O.o

[TTHS]Prophet: The only redeeming factor of that game is Patrick Stewart - 'nuff said.

danzar: Consoles are the fathers to all games

rapture333: The Wii is and its tittles are all aimed towards the younger audience which we have foudn out is very larg

BrotherJohn: People want better graphics due to progression its getting better and better over th years theres always hope -_-

[Fx]GT: I think they tell us we want better graphics but i also agree with those who want the latest and baddest

Trentish: Prophet - definitely agree that Oblivion is sluggish at times

Starkid4u: what i'm trying to say is, the wii is... i think someone said the gateway drug? in that it allows people who wouldnt normaly game to have a small try, but then move onwards to bigger and better things (MMO's RTS FPS etc etc) and leafve the wii in the dust

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: i can get my whole clan on ventrilo and play 2142 matches fine with my pc

nerdy100: The wii is clearly a console built for casual gamers or even non gamers but if more consoles go in that direction it will alienate hardcore and core gamers

jethrotoll: The Wii is definatly for hte younger. look at nintendo in general

Mystycs: Ofcourse Graphics is a big part of gaming. But dont forgot gameplay is the most important because without good Gameplay you can say a game sucks even if it has great graphics or not

Tolkienfanatic: Graphics are not paramount, but to say that they are not important at all is silly.

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I'd have to say though, I prefer my PC over consoles any day. But I'd have to go with the 360/PS3 over the Wii.

jethrotoll: Graphics is a small part of gaming

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

deantak: Given that the Wii is here, what does it say about the future? If you're planning the follow-up to the Wii, or the Xbox 360 or the PS 3, what direction would you go? Or the next-gen PC for that matter?

BTAvatar: The Wii is here and we know what it can do, its all up to the developer to harness that power and innovation. Compare a last gen launch title to a title near the end of its cycle and you see some distinct differences

theoriginalsnipe: ok lets not get off topic we are debating Titles here and the debate is focusing on console and PC????

ShadowJ: Two worlds is nothing like Oblivion....the slogan stating it is was just a ploy to get the oblivion gamers to look at it...in fact in the Official TES forums many gamers played two worlds and instantly turned back to Obliviion

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: wheres thje custom on your wii?

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Oblivion's only claim to fame is its graphics, the only thing that is any fun is doing the side quests, not the story.

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: I thought oblivion was incredibly fun...

Mystycs: For example look at movies there becoming shittier because the there is way to much CGI in them now

RED_NIKE(USM): The Story was Endless

Mr. Man: i don't need better graphics by any means, i actually believe that that was more a young phase than any else. i think that the majority of gamers shift their focus more toward gameplay as they get older.

nerdy100: Yes I'll have good gameplay over graphics anyday

jethrotoll: The Next Gen PC with head sets instead of just a Screen will be KA

Starkid4u: again, opinion

Mr. Man: amen nerdy

jethrotoll: don't get me wrong but I like playing both.

dylex666: I think the Wii is the start of virtrial reality

ShadowJ: Also Oblivion is heavily known for its modding community....many gamers have made great mods and this has saved the title

jethrotoll: amen to that

[Fx]GT: It would be hard to tell wich is better for me for both microsoft and Nintendo scince they were the games i grew up on

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: oblivion could have been as big as WoW if they added a multiplayer

fragalanche: gameplay > graphics

Starkid4u: you can't compare games of different genres entirely, can you?

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Starkid, this is all about opinion.

mrjones85: I think nex-gen pc will be a good direction for many people as soon as vista is more improved and standard for all microsoft users

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: The Wii seems to be a console for just CASUAL gamers, not many long, immersive games have come out, otehr than LOZ:TP

Mystycs: Is anyone reading this? lol

unknown / sigma: And thats why the Wii is fun, its production isn't majorly focused on its graphics -- they can create fun games to play that you can't get anywher else

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I have to have a good long game too enjoy it.

[Xfire] Artaxs: The Wii makes gamers out of people who'd never play video games other than Solitaire. The Next Gen of the Wii should retain the same focus, namely, FUN!

[TTHS]Prophet: Next-gen PC is the way to go. After all, Consoles are moving closer and closer to PCs every generation and eventually, we might see an amalgamation of the two. Media Centres are a step closer to that.

[Xfire] Brinstar: The problem with a lot of the conventional thought here is that you all seem to believe that "hardcore" and "casual" are mutually exclusive. They aren't. Hardcore gamers suddenly didn't stop playing after the Wii and the DS brought in new markets.

Trentish: If you can make a controller that is extremely responsive and accurate, then I'd say go for it, but don't make it a gimmick

Mr. Man: wait Youkosnake, is MP3 not immersive? cause i haven't bought it yet

Mr. Man: lol

BTAvatar: The graphics are incredible as it is, improving them would be a costly add on that we simply don't need. Newer innovations and gameplay are what the industry needs to focus on

Paddy: PC will come up trumps at the end of it. considering the market is there and its worth development im pretty confident that the future of PC gaming will grow stronger. least i hope so

[Fx]GT: I agree with ctaylor1

danzar: I say we stop producing the same old game in a diffent shell for the last few dollars out of a stlye and start anew

Mystycs: Look why do you play PC games? Graphics, CHeaper? or Gameplay?

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: how do u play mmorpgs on wii?

ShadowJ: Best method to gaming = Own a PC and play on your friends consoles

Bobby: The next generation PC is the way forward for me, it can be updated via patches which fixes bugs that are in the game, and not to mention, you can upgrade a PC to look better and perform better for gaming, unlike any other consoles, therefor, graphics on a PC will always be better than a console.

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Gameplay, Myst

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: you dont

nerdy100: Oblivion is still a great game mods or no mods and Oldblivion is very good

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Well, neither have I, it's new I forgot about it XD

Mystycs: See gameplay is most important

fragalanche: Woot for Myst

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: gameplay is the most important part of the game

Mr. Man: well i think that if we were gonna play an mmorpg on the wii, there would have to be one that existed first :D

dylex666: i agree with Mystycs

danzar: I want more .... MORE gameplay satuifaction

Mystycs: but yah sure :) lol

dylex666:

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: doom is a good game still

[TTHS]Prophet: It depends what the game is trying to be

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Like I said though, 2, 4-5 max is not a console for the hardcore.

Mystycs: If a game has awesome gameplay ill take awesome graphics though :)

lol

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: and its graphics suck

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: A gold plated piece of shit is still a piece of shit, I want something that I can just go "Wow" at, when I play it.

Mr. Man: hahaha

dylex666: Who cares if the graphics suck

jethrotoll: lol

Trentish: I do

rapture333: The graphics matter

jethrotoll: Good point

Starkid4u: recently we've seen some melding of the console world and the PC world though havent we? stuff like snadowrun

rapture333: it truly does

dylex666: gameplay matters

fragalanche: gameplay should come first, graphics should be there as polish

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: I would consider a "Hardcore gamer" someon that would sit down and play solitare for 2 hours and multiple times

fragalanche: imo

danzar: Agree.. i want at the end of a gmeing day to think i did soemthign great!!!

Ghost: Doom 3 is no good too repeatitive

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: graphics dont matter

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Graphics matter, but it is dwarfed by how much gameplay is important.

unknown / sigma: graphics are important, but I don't have any quibbles with wii's graphics at the moment

danzar: not it looked pretty

Mystycs: Are we even on topic of the main floor? lol

Trentish: graphics matter, gameplay matters, there's a lot of things that matter

nerdy100: MMO games are really beginning to seem pointless just look at Second Life

jethrotoll: I wouldn't consider a hardcore gamer that

Trentish: you can't have one without the other...

Paddy: Lol Mr .Pickle

jethrotoll: Mainly because that is a card game

jethrotoll: I would consider you a Hardcore Poker addict.

Mr. Man: The graphics matter to me, but not to the extent that it will stop me from buying an extremely fun game

jethrotoll: O.o

dylex666: Replay value is important too

[RoM]FranK Dux-nDa-: lol second life is awfull

RED_NIKE(USM): card games never do that well

Mr. Man: and yes we kinda are on the topic

jethrotoll: good point.

[TTHS]Prophet: Graphics matter in so much as there is a line you draw. You draw it when you start to cringe. For example, would any of you play Diablo 1 now even if it had the greatest gameplay known to man? I doubt that very much.

ShadowJ: we're close enough...they discussing graphics vs gameplay

Trentish: nerdy, Second Life isn't like most MMO's

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Yeah, but half of the games on the Wii, people don't play for 2 hours at a time. I need a good game that can keep me involved in a STORY.

RED_NIKE(USM): Gameplay does matter

[Xfire] OneSoul: Gameplay. Whether it is on Xbox (Halo), Xbox360 (Bioshock) or Wii (bowling or golf). Three radically different gameplay styles based on available time and required concentration. The Wii is wildly popular at parties.

jethrotoll: I would still play Diablo 1

RED_NIKE(USM): It needs to Intrugue Gamers

jethrotoll: But I already threw that away because my bible is against it Lol..

RED_NIKE(USM): Yes

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: @Prophet: The only thing that turned me away from D1 was: YOU CAN'T RUN!

[Fx]GT: Hey the only thing nintendo needs now is a compatible DVD player

Paddy: I still play diablo 2

[TTHS]Prophet: WoW for example, sits on the edge of the graphics v gameplay line. That graphics are nothing to write home about but they are enough to keep you entertained.

jethrotoll: Just playing.. It just the Cd gets warn out.

Sanyo of vcl: I think no matter what the graphics will be fairly high, Games today aren't going to be like they were 5years ago (graphics wise) - They should be thinking about 'gameplay' as most of you are saying now.

unknown / sigma: Indeed dylex, replay value is great -- thats why I love multiplayer games, or games for the wii that are always fun when you get some people to play with

dylex666: i play diablo 2 too

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: even playing poker online seriously if you take a game with all that time and affort you aare a hardcore gamer no matter what game it might be

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think it should be as balanced as possible, and I believe that is possible, like WoW for example has decent gameplay and graphics, same with Guild Wars

rapture333: For anyone who owns bioshocks, when you first put it in to your computer/xbox360 whats the first thing youve admired? The graphics of course, the amazing display of assorted pixels, the Wii needs to rely on gameplay... Which is childish, boring, and other wise unappealing

Mystycs: this poll is void, gamplay is by far more important. Look at WoW/eq2 playerbases. All graphics does is get you interested in the game, make the game stand out from the lot. As a developer, graphics are important - but only to make the gamer want to play, before they have heard anything about the game *cough*Farcry*cough*wasted $80*cough*

danzar: WOW is popular because of good advertising

[Xfire] Supercop007: Given the trend toward casual and family play, the next step is not at graphics at all, but fun. Personally I haven't bought a console or handheld since the gameboy pocket and the SNES and have been a PC Gamer since then, but the Wii is really bringing me back in. It may depend on the angle of where you may have started gaming, but the Wii is heading in the right direction.

jethrotoll: WoW doesn't have enoug hgame play.

[TTHS]Prophet: @ Ferris: lmao yes - that was a pain in the arse. D2 was far better.

BTAvatar: Also I feel that all the current and future consoles need an online community thats easy, fun, and manageable. For instance I consider the DS friend codes a huge disadvantage in mulitplayer, the simple add invite used in Xbox Live is simple and all you need to do is say yes or no, and that simplicity works.

Mr. Man: if the graphics make my eyes hurt, then yes, i would not play it. but as long as it doesn't look absolutely atrocious and it's relatively fun, i will put some effort into trying it

[TTHS]Prophet: @ jethro: erm...what?

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: That was the one thing that got me mad about it

nerdy100: I know but it is still a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game MMORPG

Paddy: If WoW updated its graphics i dont think it will go down well with the wow community

[cAs]MMOaddict: but personally I think gameplay is better than graphics

ShadowJ: actually rapture....I was fascinated in smashing a splicer's head open with a wrench...then the graphics

Trentish: rapture - completely agree, you need graphics to set the scene

theoriginalsnipe: ok wait he just compared a $60.00 game to a $10.00 movie

[TTHS]Prophet: @ jethro: explain the comment, "WoW doesn't have enough gameplay?"

danzar: Wow will die just like EQ and UO

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: "DUDE I AM A HARDENED WARRIOR, BUT I CAN ONLY WALK! D:" - that's what made its gameplay bad.

nerdy100: And has anyone played Okami

Paddy: Mostly because such a step can be costly

danzar: its just fades

Bobby: Can you have just as much fun with singleplayer as multiplayer?

Mystycs: Its interressting to see how differently developers see games. I have a perminent scare of seeing games in two views. As a top gamer, and as an amature developer. From a typical gamers view, graphics and gameplay are two completely different fields. Where the graphics is the game, and the gameplay is the story. ( Don't get me wrong, its not a personal account. I go to this game store during my lunch break and you see these n00bs play only for the graphics, and, surprise surprise, they are hooked to the console least powerful out of the 3, 3rd gen consoles; PS2). As a developer, the graphics compliment the gameplay and the development of it, and the gameplay compliments the graphics.

BrotherJohn: wow is mainly generating its player base from warcraft based on teh charcs u known and come to love or hate

dylex666: Like with halo the single player gets boring to play but... If u play with somone it can be fun

unknown / sigma: true, true

Mr. Man: i agree with btavatar, i think nintendo is definitely under some paranoia as far as friend codes go...do that many people really get hurt over xbox live?

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Ahem. Wii is a gamecube. That's that. A gamecube with motion sensitivity, even has the same amount of ram.

Mr. Man: besides virtually

unknown / sigma: I can't play halo single player anymore, but playing through with a friend is a blast still

Trentish: Mystycs - agree

dylex666: i agree

[cAs]MMOaddict: because it's a lot more fun to spray 30 rockets into someone flying in a helecopter than sit there staring at scenery

nerdy100: Yes Halo single player is overatted

Mystycs: But whatabout StoryLine that goes aside form gameplay and graphics and it can have a big part to do with gaming such as Half Life 2 Series they have a good storyline

Bobby: Its a good point, but thats a BIG difference.

Mr. Man: well it's a much better looking gamecube, at the very least

Mr. Man: that box was tacky :P

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Wii is an internet accesable gamecube with motion sensitivity and games you want to buy besides SSBM*

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Fixed

mrjones85: yeah halo singleplayer is kind of lame

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

deantak: So the Wii started with the Wii-Mote and Nunchuk. Now we have the Wii Wheel and the Wii Zapper coming. Are we all waiting for the full body scanner or some such peripheral to introduce new kinds of game play?

mrjones85: especially the AI

[Xfire] Supercop007: Actually I have bought a Nintendo DS Lite very recently and the usage of the stylus has added a dimension that extends the handheld genre without eliminating the traditional handheld game. The Wii is heading in just the same direction.

danzar: Yes a good story line is 90% the game

Mystycs: Gameplay comes first- it's why you're playing a game anyway. If you just want to look at something pretty, go to an art gallery.

[Fx]GT: 50$ an hour is an xtreme bad price It better off a 10 cents per minuter

[TTHS]Prophet: Developers like Blizzard are setting the industry standards now. 4 years ago, it wasn't strange for us all to accept crap games because it is what we are used to. Blizzard release refined games and add to them, making sure that the quality of the game play is never compromised. That is why MMOG devs are reluctant to release MMOGs when they say they will simply because WoW set the standards.

Starkid4u: @MMO: got the entire thing in one :)

dylex666: i agree mystics

[Fx]GT: or 50 cents

Mystycs: haha

Mystycs: Storyline comes second, because a good story can keep you interested in a game. Unfortunately, if a game is too dependant on a story, it can damage replay value.

danzar: WOW isnt the first MMO ever to be out

Paddy: Wii zapper thats new to me!?

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Why is this entire debate about the Wii? Jesus.

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: HL2 felt like i was walking through a ally way or some guieded thing the whole time

Mr. Man: shoot, ever since i saw that balance board thing, i'm willing to believe that everything's possible

dylex666: so true mystycs

danzar: EQ in its day was the greatest! then before them was UO

theoriginalsnipe: ok wait.....is anyone in here even paying attention to the main debate, i thought we debated in here what was being debated in the main floor..........do i have that wrong?

Trentish: as long as it's not just a gimmic, new controllers are good

Mystycs: Graphics come third - good graphics can help with immersion (and thus improve your gameplay experience), but it isn't always a requirement. Example: X3 has beautiful grpahics, which definately helps with the sense of immersion. On the other hand, AoE2 now looks dated but it still more fun than AoE3, so graphics aren't all that important.

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: the wii is not the future of gaming its the PC

Trentish: they can be refreshing if they're responsive

corey: wii exercise

BTAvatar: I love xbox lives functionality, I have all the halo MVPs on my list along with friends from my community, if you don't want sarge117 on your friend list just say no

Mr. Man: Youko, it's because the Wii is the most unique of the 3 systems...i think that gives everyone more to talk about

Mr. Man: everyone talks about the weird one

Bobby: I think a controller on a PC will NEVER replace a good mouse and keyboard, and i emphasize, never.

Mystycs: Sounds comes last. Again, good audio can help with immersion (positional sound, etc), but it is very rarely done well. Thief springs to mind as one that did it well.

unknown / sigma: I'll be satisfied when we have a commercial holodeck to buy. Innovation should be a big point for any gaming company. The wii clearly proved how innovating can generate massive amounts of sales

[Xfire] Brinstar: The questions from the Main Floor are posted here, and you are meant to be discussiing your answers to the question here.

Spart: joystickvs. mouse?

Trentish: @Bobby, what about a joystick for flying?

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: BTAvatar: I think you mean "IF you don't want Spartanjajaja on your friend list, just say no", lol

Trentish: isn't that considered a controller?

dylex666: With a pc u have more freedom then an xbox,wii,and a ps3

[TTHS]Prophet: I think peripherals work on cosoles because, by nature, they use peripherals to control the games. On PCs, however, no peripheral is more dynamic than a keyboard and a mouse and no peripheral will ever be more dynaimc than a keyboard and a mouse.

[Fx]GT: Henry Lowood: I agree with you they do have flaws but they are great games

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Yeah, I guess. But still, 360 and PS3 are contenders. They have so many exclusives to bring to the table against wii.

ShadowJ: FPS + Mouse & keyboard = pwnage. FPS + Controller = wtf? end of story

nerdy100: WASD and a mouse is all I need

Paddy: You cant pwn some good old noobs with a "Wii Zapper" it dont sound.. 1337 enuf!

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think 40+ keys on the keyboard beats a wii-mote, nunchuck, scanner, whatever any day

[Xfire-TTHS] SoV Ferris: Say that to Halo fans, Shadow

dylex666: Shadow true

Trentish: which is why Halo is so unpopular

[TTHS]Prophet: You can introduce these fancy gloves and these cool controllers but they aren't going to even touch on what you can achieve with a gaming keyboard and mouse set up.

theoriginalsnipe: X-Fire ok well that is obviously NOT happening

unknown / sigma: True Prophet, nothing beats the keyboard and mouse for all these types of games

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: <- uses a PS2 controller playing maple story

Spart: when flying i prefer a joystick

Mr. Man: hmmm, you're right prophet, it would take something absolutely mind blowing to overcome the mouse-keyboard tandem

danzar: I think we should want somethign that lets us interact morewitht he game not work to chat ingame

BrotherJohn: with the new wii addons just making more money for slightly differ gizmos -_-

danzar: with a keybord

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: well PS1 XD

Trentish: there doesn't always have to be one right answer

Trentish: people like different things

danzar: The controller and keyboard neeeds to be the thing of the past

Mr. Man: Mr. Pickles how the heck do you use a ps1 controller to play maple story?

Spart: whats the topic?

dylex666: Trentish i desagree because halo is the most popular agme on xbox

[Fx]GT: I think Gaming consoles would be great if they were compatible with online games and store bought games made by companies

Starkid4u: X to jump, circle to attack, and movement keys to move

Trentish: @danzar, why? because you don't like it? what about the millions of gamers that like it better?

Trentish: why choose just one

[Fx]GT: Then there would be no point for computers but just business

rapture333: How exactly?

Spart: what is the topic?

Starkid4u: if you could bind them, that is

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

deantak: Going down another track, what is the game that is here today or announced today that points us toward the future?

Mystycs: When Sony launched the Playstation 1 into the market it revolutionised the market with its 3D focus. So Graphics ofcourse play a big part of gaming, but whats the point of buying games, when you hear someone say " WOW LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS AMAZING LETS GET THE GAME" No... The point is to have a good fun game play, and ofcrouse graphics..

danzar: No we just settle for it

Mr. Man: oh new question

theoriginalsnipe: X-Fire, and EVERYONE.....WE ARE WAAYYYYYYYY OFFFF TOPIC

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: well its a cual shock so I can use it on a PS2 and there is USb things to help :P

Mystycs: actually we are arent wee

Mystycs: lol

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: yea we are

Paddy: hmmm

[cAs]MMOaddict: Battlefield series I think

Mystycs: OKl

Mystycs: lol

Mr. Man: hmmm that's a really good one

RED_NIKE(USM): Oh 2 is improved

rapture333: hmm perhaps if Bioshock and Halflife 2

BTAvatar: I agree, the mouse keyboard combo gives the functionality for quick desicions and percise aim. I belive counter-strike would be a totally different experiance without that tight controlling

Paddy: The new release of COD4 id say

corey: no

mrjones85: yea the betas amazing

Paddy: totaly new to the franchise

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: cod3 was for console and not for pc at all there are more gamers for the cod series in pc why not put it out there on computer?

danzar: Warhammer

Spart: whats is the bloody topic?

Trentish: there's too many to count, Mass Effect, Spore, Portal, etc, etc

Mystycs: then and now of gaming i think

rapture333: Bioshocks is unscirpted and Halfife2 has amazin ai that makes people feel like theyre truly in the game and hooks them

Ghost: I think it is definitely WoW

unknown / sigma: Games like Crysis probably point towards what's the future I feel. The increaased emphasis on the graphical side of gaming is going to become more and more pronounced as technology continues to advance so rapidly

nerdy100: A single console is needed. No console war, no fanboys just a single consoles will unite gamers the world over

[TTHS]Prophet: World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online, Star Trek Online - MMOGs are the future of gaming. They are addictive and coin in the money so it is only natural that the gaming industry will move that way.

Trentish: even CoD4 has some really cool new stuff for the FPS scene

rapture333: just like what boarderlands is surely to represent

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: we need a new question cused ADD room

mrjones85: i think Spore because it is a totally revolutionary genre

[cAs]MMOaddict: I also think The Elder Scrolls will be a big hit in the future

danzar: AGREE Prophet

Mr. Man: i would go so far as to say that there is no game that is pointing us toward the future, but im probably saying that because i don't have mainstream access to the pc gaming world

corey: who is leading the world in graph card to date

[TTHS]Prophet: No other genre is going to even vaguely touch on the MMO genre in 5-6 years time.

BrotherJohn: crysis is highend defo a gr8 advancement from farcry

Spart: nvidia by far

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I'm not saying graphics make a game, you need gameplay more importantly, but why let a good game go to waste with horrible graphics?

Ghost: just becasuse of the Sheer number of Copies it has sold so far

Mr. Man: i don't see anything future pointing (lol) on the consoles at this time

dylex666: rapture i agree because Half-Life is the future of gameing because the realism (not the story) but the physics etc in it is more realistic

[Fx]GT: Mystics: I agree with you sure they dont really change the graphics dont matter It is the matter on how good the game is and its plot like Smash bros was an amazing game and prince of persia great plot!!!!!

[Xfire] Brinstar: You are supposed to be discussiong this question:

deantak: Going down another track, what is the game that is here today or announced today that points us toward the future?

corey: yeah

Spart: GeForce is leading followed by ATI

[=ICS=] Piedsniper: Bioshock is a completely revolutionary game not only because of its amazing graphics or plot but because of its ability to interact with the human eithics. When we start mixing games with reality, then we truly imerse ourselves and games become more than fiction.

Trentish: games with an online element always last longer than games without

danzar: In five years can yall image the game we will be debaing about

Mr. Man: yes people, discuss the question, geez

fragalanche: echochrome

corey: nvidia or ati

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think fps/rpg hybrids are the true future of gaming

nerdy100: as the saying goes you can't polish a turd

fragalanche: lol

rapture333: Biosock!

corey: i like nvidia

fragalanche: it's cool anyway

[TTHS]Prophet: We'll see games like Halo, Doom, Elder Scrolls, Age of Empires, Civ, The Sims all go online in teh future and I am so confident of that, I'll run through my town naked if I'm wrong.

Mystycs: Crysis is going to be it

unknown / sigma:

Also, a lot of the micro payment games that are out there -- they are great systems that slowly wittle money out of their players. It plays with the mind, thinkign that you're really not buying much, but you often times buy more.

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: true mmoaddict

Paddy: CoD4 opens new windows to the FPS scene , im sure that the change from WW2 to Modern warfare was a big risk, but by the looks of things i think i will pay off!

Spart: wat about simulators?

Mystycs: because of its NEW DX10 and graphics and gameplay i beleive its gonna definetly push how far games go.

corey: nvidia seems more on the ball

Mr. Man: MMOaddict read my mind, those things are getting massively popular (no pun intended)

Trentish: @Pied, agree, Bioshock raised the bar

BTAvatar: MMOs are a runaway success...if the're good. WoW is an experiance not to be missed but not every developer has that multi-million dollar budget to make that next giant of an MMO

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: none really we havent had a huge shinner of a game in a bit

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: cod was good cuz of its ww2 i dont think it will be as good

danzar: Conan is raising the bar also

[Fx]GT: I think Nintendo and 360 smash brothers and halo 3 are going to bring everyone into future gaiming experience

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I'd have to say Crysis has me wetting my pants XD It has BEAUTIFUL graphics, plus, from what I've seen, great gameplay. With the customization of the weapons an all.

dylex666: but mmos can be the same game like any mmo

rapture333: Bioshcok defenintly raised the bar on firstperson shooters

Bobby: I honestly and un-biastly think that FPS will not be beaten by a MMO

Starkid4u: i belive the largest addition to gaming on the whole is the development of AIs over the years, lets be honest, weather its a 10 foot troll, or a terrorist with a mac10, you always have bots in games (or most of them anyway) and without the segnificent Ais that are being coded nowdays, youd get these highly textures and dressed up models running into a peice of inanimate scenery, or a dead body

[TTHS]Prophet: The thing is you don't need a multi-million dollar budget to make a successful MMO.

dylex666: like clone hack and slash mmos

jethrotoll: humm

corey: even in the ps3 is a 7800 gtx form nvidia

Paddy: I need a copy of Bioshock! everyone tells me so much about it! im missing out!

Mystycs: because of its NEW DX10 and graphics and gameplay i beleive its gonna definetly push how far games go.

[=ICS=] Piedsniper: How would you create a succerfull mmo then? Phophet?

Ghost: I think the social interaction is what cosoles have to pull off when it comes ti games and I think that WoW

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I prefer my terrorists have Aks, thank you.

nerdy100: Really I find having to pay monthly pointless. I'll stick with guildwars

Trentish: @Prophet, nowadays? really? example?

Ghost: proves that's the pojnt

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Guild Wars FTW.

jethrotoll: Guildwars

[TTHS]Prophet: Direct X 10 is a gimmick and game developers will try and delay moving to it for as long as they can

Mystycs: because of its NEW DX10 and graphics and gameplay i beleive its gonna definetly push how far games go.

Paddy: nooo

[Fx]GT: If mods werent illigal we could have a game that creates them for you making way more fun experience

jethrotoll: you ahve to buy too many expansions

ShadowJ: It is just a shame Bioshock wasn't a DX10 created game...it was officially a DX9 game until Nvidia gave 2K games the coding to make it DX10 but even then tests show that Bioshock runs faster and smoother on a DX9 card

danzar: I would pay 50$ a month for the est game ever

Mystycs: Crysis is definetlly gonna push twords towards the Future

corey: but are you doingin when you buy a ps3 is buying a 7800 gtx computer

Mr. Man: Ai improvement is always a plus, i guess that's a solid answer. i don't think AI is ever gonna take a step backwards unless someone really screws up

[TTHS]Prophet: Not because it is bad, but because it cuts out a portion of the market that aren't planning on moving to DX10

[cAs]MMOaddict: I disagree, I think guild wars has a lot of room for imrovement

[Xfire] Supercop007: I believe Zelda - Phantom Hourglass is the future, albeit on a handheld.

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****SUB QUESTION*****

 

deantak: Henry, Chris, Charlie, a lot of companies are trying to create the same kind of community that Second Life has. They're combining social networking with games in the hopes of creating the same kind of enthusiasm that YouTube has. Are you saying that a good direction? That we can create the YouTube of Games?

rapture333: Bioshock deffenintly blew me away with its amazing graphics, great story line, effects, bisohocks revolutionized fps

Paddy: Ive Used DX10 and DX9, and TBH graphicall no differance

BTAvatar: No you don't need it, I'm sure it helped though, but as a result they need a bug return, and that results in monthly payments. Guild Wars isn't that seemless world but it saves me 15 bucks a month

BTAvatar: big*

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: yes there an be a youtube of games

nerdy100: Mods are not illeagal

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I think the only reason developers are delaying the move to DX10 is because of the lack Vista users. :P

[cAs]MMOaddict: some are

Mystycs: Although Bioshock just came out and its the best game today, CRYsis is gonna pwn the competition

[cAs]MMOaddict: most are actually

Mystycs: Hopefully

Bobby: Vista is not 100% stable, that i why.

[cAs]MMOaddict: especially online game mods

Mystycs: from the vids ive seen

unknown / sigma: People being able to shape the community of their games is huge. It adds pretty limitedless possibilities, keeping games fresh

jethrotoll: Vista is horrible OS..

Trentish: if it's done right yes, we're social creatures, the more friends we have to play with the better

KalamEternal: The problem is why gaming industry is going into wrong direction - shouldn't we focus on story and gameplay, instead of just graphics and let's call it 'awesomness'? The main factor that makes game remarkable is story and atmosphere I reckon.

Mr. Man: wow

Mystycs: We need more playboy games

Starkid4u: well, AKs, Mac10's fluffy teddy bears, the point is all of these bots MAKE a game, you can tot up a storyline, or paint up a model until it looks like somthing from a 60's cartoon, but if the enemys don't act as they should, or that stupid companion in oblivious keeps jumping in front of your arrows, the game will become dull, and buggy

jethrotoll: Anyone who gets that just gets alot of bugs even with the cool dock that is just stolen off of Macs.

Trentish: people are what keep you in games most of the time, for most people

Paddy: Vista 100% stable? gawd please...

dylex666: Ya Mystycs im not going there

danzar: I think people will follow anything that they see is fun

nerdy100: This goes back to the single make of console

danzar: and has other to interact with

ShadowJ: Paddy: there is a slight difference in that DX10 makes the lighting more realistic rather than too bright. Other than that there is no difference

Mystycs: WELL GO!!!

Mystycs: lol

[TTHS]Prophet: Second Life is a good example of what not to do with gaming. You've taken a pass time and turned it into some sort of professional experience where you live an actual life in an actual virtual world. That's one step closer to the Matrix and that is a direction games DO NOT want to head in.

Bobby: It's a craze.

corey: what is up with mods now there making them so you can buy them

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: yea DX 10 and vista is a buig turn off because sooo many people would have to upgrade a computer and buy a new OS just to expesive at this moment. Also to add that DX9 took abo year to come into play

nerdy100: I beleve PC graphics cards should be cheaper

[Fx]GT: What really suprises me is how the gameboy has gone out and nobody seems to buy them anymore. Like the latest one that came out I didnt see anyone!!! with it

fragalanche: that's true, trent, pvp action (whether mmo, fps, or rts, pick your acronym) never stays the same, people always get better

jethrotoll: Second life is a great Idea. But in reality the players mess up the game.

Mystycs: I have used vista and i really dont like it

Mystycs: i went back to xp

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: True. I'd rather have a game with AI like bioshock, than to kill Breen in GMOD :P

jethrotoll: If a game just gave the palyer to insert content and not actually change the world it would be great.!

rapture333: This reminds of me of Garrymod 10s RP mod, that was deffenintly a great experience

Mr. Man: amen to that prophet, i think second life is definitely giving the wrong impression

Ghost: Well social interaction is just one aspect of the games but lets not forget what many FF's and MGS's have taught us over the years that they are an experience and its a combination of good graphics great atmosphere and great gameplay

danzar: Second life is a interac event liek any game.. but without the action

[Fx]GT: This tells me that games are affecting the future

nerdy100: and the PSP who has one here

[Xfire] Supercop007: I think until it becomes much easier and more accessible for "regular people" to create a game, it won't come close to the popularity and ease a site like Youtube has. Coding itself is still a bit daunting for anyone to just pick up and start programming without at least a little training.

Paddy: DX10 never really lived up to my expectations tbh, tho its a nice new feautre

ShadowJ: TBH with second life I have not looked at it or played it so I can't give an opinion about that sub question

Mystycs: Dont forgot judging games is pure opinions because many games are different and attract a differenet audience

corey: price comes down to every thing

unknown / sigma: Very true myst

fragalanche: so jethro, is the future actually in making every player a bit closer to being their own developer than pumping up graphics power or narration?

rapture333: Second like is to much, shall I say, plain, not exactly gaming, experinece, kinda like playing the sims, except, a little misdirected

Mystycs: man i feel like im winning everyones agreeing with me :)

danzar: Youtube is a fade as much as myspace is.. in a year there will be somethign else jsut as great .. the same as for gaming

unknown / sigma: lol

corey: nk

Mystycs: WTF is youtube got to do with this!

Mystycs: lol

Paddy: I already have a Secondlife in PC's dont really want to play a game about one :P

Trentish: I think Second Life is closer to a graphical chatroom/internet than a game

Mr. Man: people have enough trouble doing well in one life, we don't need a second one to make things more complicated

nerdy100: second life is pointless

BTAvatar: I'm not sure that price is so huge, if you ajusted the prices for some older consoles to inflation they out do all the current gen consoles

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: User generated content is a must with games.

Mr. Man: how so?

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: but seriously what game in you guys opinion is telling us were gaming is going.....I think its the fact there has been some really good titles but nothing above the res IMO

Starkid4u: yep, for instance a few of us here (you know who you are) might prefur a huge beefed up shooter where you run around and shoot up aliens in awkward places until it stops being funny, but what does little 6 year old stacy play?

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think Americas Army is a quickly evolving game

ShadowJ: Myst: That is why I tend to not read reviews much. I like to make my own mind up and it isn't like I can't return a game to the game store if I don't like it

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: nothing can beat xfire its the best for gaming!

Mystycs: Dont forget the people these days want more interactions of course a game where you can chat and meet people may go big

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: ya

jethrotoll: Yes that is what I would say the future to gaming is because characters like to implment there own Material. Like in the game Potbs the people can make there own ships as long as the mods approve them! the only think is that you would have to wait a long time for your flag/ship what ever to get approved if there arn't enough GM's

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Especially PC games. I like how the PS3 version of UT3 supports PC usergenerated content. More games should do that.

[TTHS]Prophet: I think gamign is becoming more accesible and as it does, we will see more games orientated at the MySpace generation - like Second Life but even more nerfed (WoW term for you there :-P)

danzar: We all want to interact thats the point to all MMO's

jethrotoll: and it's not so much teh mbeing there own Dev

[cAs]MMOaddict: it reminds me of counter strike, but I think the makers focus too much on graphics and smaller useless details than compatibility

Mr. Man: dangit, curse my lack of WoW

Mr. Man: lol

dylex666: I think games today are more intecipated and then when its made theres a big let down

jethrotoll: its more like them being able to affect teh gaming world with out haveing to change it.

Ghost: but a bad game with social networking aspect is just like a chat room

Paddy: UT3 omg i cant actully wait any longer!

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

deantak: Now let's take another track. What developers are really positioned to deliver something that is truly out of this world and deserving of the next-generation status?

Mystycs: ALthough wats bad is the Devs give you what they want they, dont take advice from the users and for that the games can become less interesting/.

corey: what is next gen

rapture333: If you can take garrysmod into this it is a rather big in user interaction, I belive , especially with certain mods like RP and Survival

[cAs]MMOaddict: ever since 2.8 most of my friends and I havent been able to update it

unknown / sigma: yep, people will look at Second Life as a very good reference as to how user generated content can impact and drive a virtual experience. I love checking out all the user created maps, and things for cod2, or any number of other games. I see the level at which people can add content to their games increasing

mrjones85: Mr. Man u dont want to play WoW

Trentish: @MMOaddict, good developers focus on everything, not just one aspect

mrjones85: its a drug

Mystycs: Although wats bad is the Devs give you what they want they, dont take advice from the users and for that the games can become less interesting/.

danzar: I want it!

Ghost: Namco MGS 4

Trentish: Bioware

theoriginalsnipe: I THINK the future of gaming is seriously going to be the average joe with a flash gaming for dummies kinda guy, who is part of a gaming tribe or clan or squad who sits there with his friends and creats a story and charecters and all of it, just like we use to do with D&D, i know im dating myself

[cAs]MMOaddict: good point

ShadowJ: The only MMO I play is Last Chaos...and the only online game I play is a 2D/Text based RPG I have been with for 7 years. I guess I don't have that MMO addiction

danzar: WE all thought the new XBox would be the best again of all time

danzar: They let us down

[Fx]GT: Dean I think it will be a while before we see an amazing next gen but i do agree with you and something that would be great is SCARY games that puts you as if you were actually in the game

Mr. Man: well wii is the safe and obvious answer to that question, for obvious reasons

danzar: We are stuck in WOW stage

Mr. Man: lol at my tiredness

[TTHS]Prophet: Blizzard are one such developer. As are the guys behind Bioshock and the guys behind Hellgate: London and Mythos. These are the meat of the future and it is these guys that are setting the industry standards today.

Trentish: I'm loving my 360, and I'm going to love it even more in the next few months

[Xfire] Supercop007: Valve is still heading in the right direction given the quality of their products that have sustained popularity over time.

corey: eww

Paddy: agree

rapture333: The future of gaming is going to lead towards, Graphics, Use friendlyness, Gamplay, AND user interaction

dylex666: i think game companys shouldnt want to make the graphics the numer one thing on their list

Paddy: Graphics account for a lott of a game

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: of course

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Crytek, with Crysis. They seem to be doing it right. They have the graphics AND the gameplay. They are going down the right path. I think you should get both gameplay and graphics at their peak instead of just focusing on one or the other....(I'm a modeler, that's why I have a strong stand on graphics)

danzar: The future is the same as always for it .. a new clone of a old stlye game

Mr. Man: if i had to pick one, i'd agree with blizzard, especially with starcraft ii on the horizon

[Xfire] OneSoul: Trentish: Same here. Bioshock, Halo 3, Mass Effect. My weekends are already allocated. 8-)

jethrotoll: I believe that Blizzard is going to make the most changes in the gaming community.

corey: for pc what is better amd or intel

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: gaming is going to the ADD side of thing

[TTHS]Prophet: I think the day of games like the Sims has passed.

ShadowJ: 2K games have announced they are going to make Bioshock into a franchise...meaning number 2 is on the way ;)

[Fx]GT: ctaylor1: lol funny I agree

[TTHS]Prophet: I hope...

rapture333: User to user interaction *

Bobby: Should they be treated on the same level though? or differently?

Trentish: Bioware has me very excited for their new MMO, and they haven't even released any info on it. They're using a ton of premade software to make content/development easier and faster.

[TTHS]Prophet: :s

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think Bethesda and EA games are quickly climbing the ranks in top developers

Starkid4u: i belive the upcoming orange box is whats going to be big, the ground breaking source engine has been butchered into an elegent shape that weilds a minigun, its near on perfect at mimiking real world enviroments, or, if you want to switch it, you can with the SV_ commands. now mix that with the new portal designs and youve got a puzzle game that delivers somthing entirely new

Ghost: but epesodic content that they are trying may not succeed and from the looks of it is very samll

[TTHS]Prophet: One company that worries me is Bethesda

nerdy100: I think graphics should not improve at all we have photorealistic graphics all ready. Gameplay is the way foward or a Party/hardcore game hybrid

jethrotoll: can i leave all but one?

Trentish: I think that's the future of development, less programmers, more Art and Design

[TTHS]Prophet: They ruined Star Trek Legacy and Oblivion

Mr. Man: i totally agree with prophet, you throw sims and second life in there, now you've got 3 lives, you only need one

fragalanche: it's kind of interesting that in all this talk about the importance of gameplay, nobody's mentioned EA and the kind of omnimedia approach they take to development

BTAvatar: I belive that the developers of Mass Effect are more than deserving of that title, you don't find many games with that epic scope and immersion very often

unknown / sigma: Nintendo and their game producers, of course. The zapper, the fit pad, these are just the first few items to come out for a new system. I can't imagine what else they'd come up with given more time.

[TTHS]Prophet: and if they do the same kind of ruining to Fallout 3, I'll get quite annoyed.

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: EA is rising because they are buying everyone out. Thats no honorable way to rise in popularity

theoriginalsnipe: TOP DEVELOPERS??? Sierra and Bethesda

jethrotoll: I think indie developers will take the for front :-P

dylex666: like gears of war, they made the graphics more important then the gameplay, like it was a short game,repetative and no good replay value

fragalanche: no, youko, i agree

* jethrotoll wishes

ShadowJ: I'm afraid I lost faith in Bethesda...they have turned to money grabbing profit microsoft wannabes

Paddy: nerdy100: i remember saying that graphics cant get better back in the days of sega. how wrong was i lol

danzar: WE need games that we fill fulled with

rapture333: EA is a joke, truly

Mr. Man: madden makes new strides every year, not to mention every other property they put out

[cAs]MMOaddict: I agree that they made Oblivion more hack-and-slash, but the graphics are amazing

Ghost: EA just churn out sequels all year long with no innovation

Mr. Man: but yeah youko's right

Mystycs: Every Developer has the chance to make a great game. it just depends on the budget and who they hire to make the game/

ShadowJ: however their games are good

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: ea has made allied assualt which is a good game

rapture333: Take Command and conquer 3 for example, EA screwed that one up

corey: ea is becoming a super power in the gaming world

jethrotoll: the budget doesn't matter

Mystycs: And how much the devs care about it

Mystycs: well yah

unknown / sigma: You can't argue with their business model though

Mystycs: lol

fragalanche: i think that to advance gaming as both an art form and an industry, pumping money into a game like you're the Soviet Union is not the answer

jethrotoll: IT just matters on how much the dev team can spend on it and what engine they use..

rapture333: and theyre customer support is useless

Mr. Man: yep, money=ultimate win, i suppose

[Xfire] Supercop007: Relic is also doing a great job with the Company of Heroes and Warhammer 40k franchises.

dylex666: But C&C is the most popular RTS

fragalanche: and rapture, EA may be a joke, but it's a disturbingly profitable one

danzar: warhammer

[Fx]GT: I think that when schools decide to get games for the school that are both amazing and educating like puting blood and goor but having a little science in it then it is definitly future gaming

[TTHS]Prophet: Vivendi are the superpower in teh gaming world at the moment

nerdy100: EA game quality is fading It is the curse of Superman

Holy Flying Honky Ninja: Cash is King

Mystycs: Look at matrix online, the devs got bored and gave up basically lol

jethrotoll: I mean a 200 dollar engine like Torque is easily as good as the top ones and runs into the same problems .. so ya..

Mr. Man: that's right

ShadowJ: MMOaddict: May I ask if you have played Oblivion with mods? such as Deadly Reflexes (that allows decapitations) and Akatosh Mount that adds in a ridable dragon?

Paddy: And not theres Direct 2 Drive , its all about getting games out there faster

unknown / sigma: I'd love to own EA, but they aren't necessarily what's best for gaming

fragalanche: EA didn't invent C&C, they just bought the people who did

danzar: They all want to ride the MMOfade

Mystycs: EA is doing good in sport games

danzar: i dont blame them

Mystycs: but they release the years to early

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I think indi game developers should be brought more into the lime light. you have Indie film makers doing very well. I want gaming to be that. I want gaming to reach the pinnacle that filmmaking has reached.

Starkid4u: EA, are producers, its the small companys like DICE or (westwood, RIP) that acctually make the games, these can be good, and make innovative games, or bad, and churn out the same stuff all the time (cough, halo, cough)

[cAs]MMOaddict: when I talk about games, I usually talk about vanilla games

Bobby: Id say STEAM/Valve have cracked it with there system, closely followed by EA

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: yea company of heroes had good graphics for a RTS and had good gameplay

Mystycs: for example 2008 comes out in 2007 like along time before 2008

Mystycs: lol

[TTHS]Prophet: EA are gits

[TTHS]Prophet: end of

fragalanche: youko, I'm totally in support of indie devs

corey: yeah

Ghost: now with Warhammer and Company of heroes franchise there was innovation

Mr. Man: Flayra's right, I'm all for nexon owning the world

[cAs]MMOaddict: besides, those mods aren't official

fragalanche: (I'm one myself, sort of :)

Trentish: Indy game devs are doing pretty well on the casual side of gaming, flash games, etc

Starkid4u: world in conflict is also poised to bring somthing incredibly new to the RTS genre

Ghost: it broke with the so called tradition of RTS

danzar: As long as they stick with the game after the profit lower

BTAvatar: We havn't seen much from the Lucas Arts game Fracture but being able to change your battlefield at will is an interesting idea and I'm eager to see where they take that

ShadowJ: Edios seem to have gone quiet these days. Not heard of any releases from them since Commandos Strikeforce

[TTHS]Prophet: EA Mythic are on teh Warhammer Online thing and if they screw that up, it's a sure fire sign that EA are just a bunch of money grabbing beep bandits.

fragalanche: Ghost, I would like to see somebody do to FPS games what Company of Heroes did to RTS

Mr. Man: good point

corey: yeah

unknown / sigma: Its too bad all those Indy game developers don't get their time to shine -- they're often the ones making new interesting games, adding in offbeat concepts without fear

jethrotoll: CoH humm

Mystycs: I would like to see an FPS where you can have sex with chicks

[Fx]GT: True vladcole: google does influence lots of games and Maybe even Yahoo

Mystycs: that would be sick

[TTHS]Prophet: Luvcas Arts has a new Star Wars game coming out which will tell whether we can expect good games otu of them

Ghost: yea me too break the mold

Mr. Man: WOW

theoriginalsnipe: I would have to disagree, games like TOP SPIN and GRAW2 R^Vegas are old in comparrision to what is comming next gen games have looking glass technology that emerses a person directly in the game, with VR helmets and gloves and chairs

BrotherJohn: google should make them car tracking thingies tbh -_-

nerdy100: Brothers in arms to a true cinematic experince

Paddy: Mystycs: I would like to see an FPS where you can have sex with chicks <- lol?

Mystycs: The next thing you know GOOGLE with start in the gaming business

fragalanche: well, there are places (like Gametap, actually, for one) where indies can get some exposure

theoriginalsnipe: all this is gonna become so cheap soon you REALY will be THE GAME

Starkid4u: @ frag, i don't think anyone CAN take what CoH did to RTS and apply it to FPS...

ShadowJ: MMOaddict: true but they make the game better....hell I wished that sometimes the modding community for Oblivion were employed...would make better Official mods than Beth Soft have given'

Bobby: I feel that older games gain more respect, the older they are.

Mystycs: I DIDNT SAY THAT!

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Flash games are nothing. I love how Valve lets you in on the mod scene with steam, they are doing great. Modding a game is the best you can do until you gain the necessary skills to create your own.

Mystycs: lol

corey: i think there going to be puting more ad's in game's now

unknown / sigma: ah, I suppose, I haven't frequented gametap

Mr. Man: okay i think if the gaming industry got that revolutionary Mystycs they might be looked at the wrong way

Trentish: I would totally buy a game put out by Google

Mr. Man: but lol

Mystycs: Yah

[TTHS]Prophet: and with the conjecture surrounding Knight of the Old Republic 3, I don't doubt for one second we will see more RPGs coming out of that place simply because of the success of Kotor which defined a lot of the genre and redifined even more.

fragalanche: starkid, I guess we'll have to wait and see

danzar: new topic?

Starkid4u: serching for weedkiller- by google

nerdy100: oh advertising in games

Mystycs: Google wil def go ahead and hire the best devs

corey: lol i can google can u

Starkid4u: yep

[Xfire] Artaxs: There is a Flight Sim in Google Earth. =)

Mystycs: if they do a game

nerdy100: don't get me started on that

[Fx]GT: Vladcole:Yea!!!! the other day i installed the xbox controller on my PC and navigated through everything with it

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think Tom Clancy Games are starting to become more Counter-strike than tactical, which is making it more popular for the younger crowd, but I prefer his older games like Rogue Spear

Ghost: I remember playing MGS on ps 1 and at the same time I was playing Starcraft too and I remember thinking that what a good game starcraft but MGS blew me away

BrotherJohn: lol -_-

corey: i would be a cool game

[TTHS]Prophet: I'm also interested to see what Obsidian come otu with in the future and how well they handle the Neverwinter Nights 2 expansion.

Mystycs: Actualyl Splinter Cell Double Agent brought AMAZING graphics and AMAZING gameplay into the game

rapture333: if google made a game it would be made worse by something like battelfield 2142s Intec banners o_O

[Fx]GT: IT was even halo PC compatible

Ghost: I remember its story just a vividly as I have played it yesterday

Mr. Man: hmmm i've got some gaming to catch up on, i can see ;D

[Xfire] OneSoul: Dues Ex.

Mystycs: BF2142 was just BS

ShadowJ: MMOaddict: I agree on that one...rogue spear was the best one I can think of

nerdy100: MGS1 changed the face of gaming forever

[TTHS]Prophet: If Carling made games, they would probably be the best games in teh World.

[TTHS]Prophet: :-D

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Yeah, Rainbow six was too much like counterstrike. I prefer tactical myself.

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: what is wrong with BF 2142?

BrotherJohn: 2142 annoyed me with the titans the moast

Mystycs: Its jsut

Bobby: Oh no no, counter strike over rainbow six anyday.

Mystycs: A turn around of bf2

corey: true

danzar: Lord britian is a awsome game maker

Mystycs: and diff models

[Fx]GT: Google is wining!!!

[cAs]MMOaddict: 2142 is basically a modded bf2

theoriginalsnipe: yea but if you look at the trac record games like R6GRAW2 and SWAT 4 only have so mucg span of life before they wither away

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Lord British

Mystycs: Man now i brought google into this!

Mystycs: lol

Starkid4u: i'm seeing a distinct lack of adventure games, everywhere, maybe a game company should consider making somthing similar to broken sword

[cAs]MMOaddict: new vehicles and weapons, but that's it

nerdy100: I wonder if Halo 4 will be purely online

Mystycs: Stil though i would like see naked chicks and bang them in an fps

Mr. Man: lol Mystycs you're causing all kinds of mischief

Mystycs: lol

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: and they made better unlock system

Mystycs: no

Mystycs: lol

Starkid4u: @ mystics, serch necrosis

BTAvatar: google has the brand strength to out do its competition

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

deantak: I would definitely say that YouTube and Google and Facebook are all competing for the same time as video games. Who's winning now?

[TTHS]Prophet: I have nothing to say about Google, Facebook and MySpace...they are horrid, horrid things.

[TTHS]Prophet: horrid

Trentish: they're all winning

danzar: u tube

fragalanche: I'd love to see more games that can mix the freshness and surreality of a game like Myst, with some action and, i'll admit it, really really good visuals

Starkid4u: ditto

Mr. Man: oh geez, amen to that

dylex666: u tube

[TTHS]Prophet: flithy and horrid

[cAs]MMOaddict: I agree

Mystycs: Man if you want an answer to whos winning do this Go to google and search WHOS WInning

Mystycs: the end

Mystycs: lol

theoriginalsnipe: i think that when game companies decide to get online and join some forums thats when you will see gamers getting what they want

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I don't use any of them. I prefer my Break.

Paddy: hmm

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: youtube is winning cuz players are watching other people play games on the vids :)

[Xfire] MasterRen: YouTube is only at the top because of selection. I really wish there'd be more innovation on the technical front.

[TTHS]Prophet: one more filthy just to get my point across

corey: just online games

Trentish: @Prophet, why are they horrid?

[cAs]MMOaddict: I agree with turtle hawk

Mr. Man: i would instantly kill facebook from the argument, because i don't know a single human that uses it, including myself

Starkid4u: google is a serching program, a TOOL if you will. a game is an object of ENJOYMENT... i mean, whos erches on google, or facebook for fun?

dylex666: i agree turle hawk

[Fx]GT: Question to Main Floor: Do you think that Apple may come out with a gaming console in the future and now that they are using touch screens they might even use it for a controller

dylex666: turtle*

Bobby: Myspace is gaining users so rapidly its actually quite scary, Google is such a massive search engine it will always win. Facebook is gaining ground but is competing in a big market.

Trentish: @Mr.Man, I use it, my name is Trent, hi.

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: youtube took over google video

unknown / sigma: The community sites are always winning, and always will be. Everyone at my university has a facebook, my dad has a facebook. They appeal to everyone, whereas games do not.

nerdy100: Youtube is dying soon it will be obsulite

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I use wikipedia for fun.

mrjones85: no question because they really need to keep in the same league as Microsoft

Paddy: Youtube is great for trialers and ingame gameplay. i always shoot on there and look at a game, before making a purcashe

Mystycs: Do you think there gonna make more sex games? Seriously im not kidding lol

rapture333: Probably... As much as i dont want to say it, Myspace... But youtube has viral videos... But how many poeple say they look on youtube everday compared to how much teyrey on myspace and face book realy isnt anything to worry about

Mr. Man: lol darn you trentish, my record is destroyed :D

theoriginalsnipe: NO WAY apple is to busy trying to recover from the IPHONE disater

Ghost: I guess the real world is the real world it depends from which angle you look it from but I would like to see Games win WoW proves that you can include all that with in a game and more where as they can't

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[15:51] deantak: I've hogged our time. Back to our essay question before we wrap up. What direction will you take toward the "future of games?"

ShadowJ: Myspace is only decent to find your old school friends. A free version of friends reunited so to speak. Facebook...psh and google/youtube....morons spam youtube with stupid comments and google is just a search engine to me

Trentish: =)

[TTHS]Prophet: MMO

danzar: MMO's

Starkid4u: HYBRIDS

danzar: 100%

[TTHS]Prophet: That's the future of games in a nutshell

[cAs]MMOaddict: hybrids

Mr. Man: whatever works ; )

Trentish: there's many, many paths

Mystycs: I would improve the interaction between the user and Game!

nerdy100: PS. type in "Talking Cats" in youtube it will make your day

Paddy: PC! FSP!

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: FPS

Trentish: it's okay to walk more than one

rapture333: FPS

mrjones85: FPS and RTS

fragalanche: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's still hope for something building off the template of an FPS

Mystycs: Numa Numa

danzar: MMO's is where we all want to be

[Fx]GT: The direction I would take is to spread the word of the games let them no which is best and baddest

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I'd have to go with games with good graphics AND gameplay, you can't have a great game beat down by horrid graphics with jagged edges.

rapture333: FPS and ONLINE COMPATIBLITY

mrjones85: o yea and TBS's

Mystycs: MMOs can die

BTAvatar: Myspace is fighting an uphill battle, the media is giving it flak that it doesn't deserve. Myspace didn't make your kid that that dirty picture of themselves or put that guy with the vulgar name on their friends list, your kid did!

Ghost: I guess more player immersion if past is anything to go by

[TTHS]Prophet: There is not a single genre that is as expansive as the MMO industry.

theoriginalsnipe: i would improve game interaction, allow the player to make the storyline as they go

fragalanche: just because you can interact so much with an environment

Mr. Man: i've never played a game with rpg elements mixed in that was a spectacular disaster, although im sure there are examples

Paddy: Battlefield 2 opend the door, and BABY ive only just turned the handle!

unknown / sigma: 90% of the MMOs are just cookie cutters. Unless something majorly groundbreaking comes out, I can't see the trends of today continuing

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: myspace is not a place for games its just friends and google is a search engine not a gaming place either

Starkid4u: mixtures of popular genres, like FPS and RPG (i belive mass effect is doing just that) or prehaps an MMO that acctually works well as an FPS, as some incoming titles look fairly poor, cough hellgate:london, cough

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: as they come if games go a way were its made for retards I will stop playing I want a game to be divers and not plain.

dylex666: Iternet compatiblity is an important thing of a game

Mr. Man: and yeah, when you boil it down, it really does leave mmos as the king of expansion

Bobby: The future of games should be based purely on a PC system, it will always win with graphics and interface, fully customizable.

Trentish: @Prophet, agree, the future is different for each genre

Mystycs: WHAT IS MYSAPCE GOT TO DO WITH THIS!!!! OMG!!

Mystycs: lol

[TTHS]Prophet: We'll have MMOFPS, MMORTS, MMORPG, MMOSIM, MMOPORN...you name it, we'll have it.

Ghost: also next gen games would definitely have a social networking aspect like WoW

rapture333: agreed internet compatiblity is deffenintly important

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: but not filled with a buch of cheap tricks

nerdy100: Max Payne is realy underatted if it was a graphic novel in the 1980s there would be a sucessful movie about it

rapture333: look at games like CSS or BF2

Mystycs: But i would go in the direction to ahve more sex in games

[Fx]GT: Myspace host little pop ups that show games and they might even invest in one in the future

Mystycs: :)

Mr. Man: prophet ftw, that's all i have to say lol

rapture333: Internet compatiblity plays a big roll

ShadowJ: BTAvatar: People will complain about anything and sue anything these days because the laws allow them to do so. It is like the argument of "your violent videogames made my kid run into school with a shotgun"

dylex666: true

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: I want a real MMOFPS and MMORTS that would be fun

[cAs]MMOaddict: I think next Bethesda is going to try to make an online variation of Oblivion, which may be cool, but it will be a big risk

Ghost: yes maxpayne 1 is truly underrated

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I'd also have to go with user generated content being more mainstream in the future. It's growing exponentially on the PC game scene, why not on the console.(lack of hard drives) Hard drives need to be a staple of next generation gaming on consoles.

Mystycs: Also every user is connected to the internet these days

fragalanche: I would love to see a game that gave you the viscerality of an fps, the scope of an rts, and the gameplay focus of a sim.

nerdy100: mystics the less Sex in videogames the better

danzar: MMo's wiill have the major maket because at soem point console and pc's will sahre the same server on MMO's

Mystycs: i was kidding nerd lol

[cAs]MMOaddict: I agree with nerdy

Mystycs: and your the nerd

Mystycs: you like sex!

Mystycs: lol

fragalanche: aye i'm with nerdy

[TTHS]Prophet: There is a simple reason that MMOGs will dominate the gaming industry.

rapture333: look at ps3 and xbox360, theyrve been getting alot poking around about theyre internet compatibilty

[TTHS]Prophet: Addiciton

Mr. Man: it will all come eventually in my opinion, i think that the better question is when it's gonna come

unknown / sigma: I'll be heading towards games and systems that innovate, not just the next mmo that is WoW with a new skin

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Same here. Causes far more problems than violence. :P

theoriginalsnipe: yea social interaction is a way to go like TKP and SWAT 4 and GRAW2 but then you get the BIG COMPANY sponsors like DELL and for crying out loud, THE HISTORY CHANNEL, i mean come on

BTAvatar: I must point out that while Myspace wasn't in the question its a very close compeditor of facebook..

Mystycs: Sitting ther ebeating your meet

Mystycs: lol

Starkid4u: @ prophet, maybe, since quiet alot of companys are arerican (and you know the american motto (supersize it)) you'll probaly get MMO everythings... until oneday someone does an FMMOMMO

nerdy100: thank you guys

Bobby: Gaming in the future should combine the user input of the motion sensor, and a pc, to create a virtual reality world that the user will actually have to play for him/herself and have him/herself to blame, not the system.

Mystycs: @jesus make a good game!!!

Ghost: I don't think it will MMO is just part of the Genre

[Fx]GT: ctaylor: I agree with you games that could do that without losing and that maybe every 3 weeks they come out with a new level for the game

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: we need interaction between both PC and counsole but no limited to xbox live

Mr. Man: hahaha

Mystycs: lol

[Fx]GT: so that its endless

[TTHS]Prophet: @starkid: indeed - htat is what is going to happen

ShadowJ: MMOAddict: No...Todd Howard the producer did a fan interview on the TES forums. He specifically stated there would be no MMO for now but maybe a later date

[Fx]GT: making it the ultimate game

Paddy: A re-make of Battlefield 1942 would be awsome

Bobby: Futuristic gaming online should be free, no fees to play online.

Ghost: and not the entire gaming spectrum I wouldn't like to play MMO all day long

dylex666: true

[Xfire] OneSoul: One problem with downloadable games: broadband availability in the USA (~300Million people) is severely lacking.

rapture333: agreed

Starkid4u: then how would companys afford to keep going?

Mr. Man: omg lol at sneaky xfire 1.81 update whil.e we're busy debating

[cAs]MMOaddict: ah

unknown / sigma: of course we' d all like free gaming

ShadowJ: However there is a spin off called Battlespire (old 99 game) that was an elder scrolls MMO

nerdy100: Microsoft should make more games

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Actually, UT3 is supposedly only crossplatform between PS3 and PC, no 360 in sight

BTAvatar: Pc to Console gaming may be unbalanced. Its alot easier to aim with the mouse than with that joystick

unknown / sigma: but then how would company's make money?

Mr. Man: kudos to you xfire

[TTHS]Prophet: Eventually, the internet will be superceeded or censored (one of the two) and gaming will fade into oblivion once more only to be relaunched with some other gimmick - like Real Virtual Worlds.

rapture333: lol

Mystycs: People still tend to go buy in stores because you can return them

Mystycs: And online your screwed

[TTHS]Prophet: I want my eye to be replaced with a DVI socket

Mystycs: lol

Mr. Man: that's me

Mr. Man: wow

[TTHS]Prophet: So I can play WoW in my mind :-)

Ghost: and I also enjoy the single aspect of the game it is primarily why we buy most of our games not how they will wind up in Multiplayer

[TTHS]Prophet: Now that would be cool O_o

[Xfire] OneSoul: 1.81 is beta.

rapture333: why would the internet be censcored? Loko just how important it is tot he business world

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I hope to god that censorship doesn't get even more prevailent in game. They are trying to ban smoking in movies now.

dylex666: ur addicted to a WOW drug

Mr. Man: how about you just put the socket in your forehead, that way you keep your peripheral vision

[Fx]GT: Dean well if they put you out of business that allows the new generation learner to create more better experienced games!!

Mystycs: Wow is a drug

Mystycs: lol

danzar: just old EQ

dylex666: true

rapture333: Cencorship.... Remids me of Postal, what a great game!

dylex666: to many people are addicted to WOW

[Xfire] OneSoul: WoW is a huge drug. Met plenty of guys who've lost their jobs.

Paddy: @Prophet id like that but if BF2 and MOHA :)

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: What a great movie. Comes out in October

corey: wow is a drug

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: WoW aint even a good game

danzar: its just like EQ

Mr. Man: @dylex: i agree, but blizzard doesn't :D

[Fx]GT: yea EA I think is more for the kids and for adults with sports

rapture333: A FPS MMO is the way to go in the furture!

Starkid4u: on a final note, i really think that an MMO version of the eldar scrools would be the best MMO of them all, i know its off topic, but all these modern MMOs try to cature the modern look of MMO's or try to take certain features from somthing else, but the eldar scrolls and just pure RP. there really couldnt be another mmoRPg that could match it

Mystycs: Wow attracts an audeience who like Big Fire Balls and LONG magic wands if you know what i mean

Bobby: The future of gaming would be great if it combined, FPS and MMO's, and made it free to play online, then i feel it would conquer the market, worldwide for that matter.

nerdy100: The internet is the only place were free speach is truly allowed and it should be commended for that

danzar: TB

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Which, on the 18th of this month is a chat with Uwe Boll, hopefully, I can take part :P

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: EQ was my drug for the longest time now EQ2....

dylex666: WOW is basically another hack and slash mmorpg

Mr. Man: *officially commends internet*

Mystycs: Wow attracts an audeience who like Big Fire Balls and LONG magic wands if you know what i mean

[cAs]MMOaddict: I was addicted to WoW but then I stopped playing because of summer camp and when I came back to play it I was like "...I actually liked this" now it's just a boring waste of time

dylex666: with quests, and etc

fragalanche: the thing with WoW is that it mixes novelty, conventionality, socialization, and story in a nearly perfect measure

Ghost: that is the point not everyone likes MMO's and not everyone likes FPS

Starkid4u: @ rapture, serch planetfall, belive it or not MMOFPSs have been out for more then a few years

ShadowJ: Censorship? HAH aren't they re-releasing Manhunt 2 at some point? That shows you how bad the censorship is. Hell ESRB messed up on Oblivion...they rated it T when Beth Soft stated it should be M

[TTHS]Prophet: Why is anything censored? People used to ask why the TV would be censored and it is now. In Brazil, youtube is banned. You can't access youtube from a pc in Brazil. In China, you can only play MMOGs for 3 hours a day. Censorship of the Internet is already occuring and as it becomes less of a taboo, we shall see more of it.

[Fx]GT: lol now your talking vladcole!!

rapture333: oo

Ghost: I personlly like RTS

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: I can't stand WOW, why pay for a game I have already bought?

rapture333: planetfall ill look that up

[Fx]GT: I bet you I could make you cry lol

CaLiLaTiN: Bioshock is so much fun in the dark on surround sound alone

theoriginalsnipe: listen here is the FACTS....big business is gonna be the future of gaming as long as gamers want to poor money into them and BUY the stuff they are selling, its not you or me who is makeing the games, its guys like in the main floor who are almost never online playing to find out what we realy want

corey: true

ShadowJ: That's why I like Guildwars....one off payment

Paddy: aye but ingame content is limited

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: fre mmorpg are just as good as ones u pay for

dylex666: ya i would play WOW if u didnt have to pay i mean pay $15 for a game thats the same as any other mmo

[cAs]MMOaddict: but guild wars can be just as addicting as WoW

Starkid4u: hear hear!

danzar: i would pay 50$ a month for a really good MMO

nerdy100: If WOW was free I would get in in a second

nerdy100: indeed

Mystycs: lol

fragalanche: i think that if indie devlopers get a leg up, they have a chance

Mr. Man: hmmm yeah i definitely couldn't afford to maintain my WoW account if i had one

Mr. Man: @danzar OMFG

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Please don't say that Prophet. I don't want it to happen.

Bobby: I feel that in the future, games should never have to be payed for monthly, only a one off payment.

rapture333: You gotta remember that MMOS cost alot of money, and that u can be playing more then a few of them at a time, so defenintly mmo isnt that way to go!

Mystycs: Read the chatter room

Mystycs: lol

[TTHS]Prophet: I think the end quality you get from subscription based games is far better than one time MMOGs. WoW has far more content than Guild Wars but it doesn't look like that because there are 6 million more people experiencing it.

BTAvatar: I had a WoW account and dropped it just because of the monthly payment

Trentish: @theoroginalsnipe, don't be so pessimistic, we live in a free market, people are going to buy what they want to play

Mr. Man: question room

[cAs]MMOaddict: if WoW was free...imagine all the 8 year olds from runescape and maplestory

[cAs]MMOaddict: T.T

rapture333: hmm

Starkid4u: no... i cant imagine waking up one day, and finding out that BF2 or BF2142 has a subscription fee

Trentish: of course devs want to make games that people want to play, that's just silly to think otherwise

rapture333: runescape isnt that bad

ShadowJ: Not as addicting as a free MMO though ;)

Starkid4u: people wouldnt accept somthing like that

Mr. Man: omg MMOaddict i never would have thought of that...

[TTHS]Prophet: Everythign will have a sub fee eventually

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: Take the manhunt 2 ban/rerating for instance. why? Adults ahouls have their games, as teens and children have theirs.

Starkid4u: so why do we have games like evrquest and WOW making us pay sub fees, when guild wars have proved that its possible to stay alive by making new content?

Trentish: 15 bucks a month is extremely cheap for the amount of entertainment you get out of it

rapture333: reminds me of the crazy german kid from youtube

rapture333: hmm

rapture333: idk

Mr. Man: pre congrats everyone for the great debate

dylex666: me?

Trentish: work for 3 hours at a low paying part time job and you have paid for your entire month

Trentish: how is that expensive?

dylex666: well for somone that doesnt have a job

rapture333: I could play a whole year of MMOs off birthday money!

Mr. Man: that's a good point

Mr. Man: but there's so much out there, i would never do that

dylex666: i agree

Mr. Man: i want a little of everything, too much of one thing gets very boring

Mr. Man: ddr ftw

dylex666: theres to many games out there to just pay to play one game

rapture333: like 4 years of runescape

dylex666: i played runescape but thar way cheaper

Mr. Man: 4 years of runescape=spontaneous combustion

rapture333: lol

Mr. Man: i made it about 2 months

Mr. Man: hmmm i was never big on audio for sure

rapture333: until spontaneous combaustion

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: i made it 20 minutes on runescape

Mr. Man: lol

{Sa}Turtle_Hawk: couldnt play that

Mr. Man: no im still here thankfully

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: lol

rapture333: oh

rapture333: ok good

dylex666: runescape does get boring

rapture333: it does

Trentish: I agree that playing one game can get boring, but for the amount of time one can get out of say, WoW, 15 dollars a month is neglible.

rapture333: unless your new

Mr. Man: anyway, i could care less about the audio in video games myself, i just crank up the tv until the volume bar reaches the V and i'm good to go

Paddy: p00nscape is rubbish

[SG]r dabbster's Panda: i agree

Paddy: roonscape is for young people

dylex666: true

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: yes it is

Paddy: not the hardcoregamers such as ourselefes

Mr. Man: yes

danzar: no should this one

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: yes

Mr. Man: i think that 99% of people with xfire are hardcore gamers, so i'll let that one go

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: yea I havent seen a question in some time

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: ye

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: same

dylex666: i agree mr.man

{-TRE-}CHR!S.Outlawz: lol even though i just got back

danzar: me eather

Mr. Man: they don't post user questions in here

danzar: Glad to see ya again pickles

Mr. Man: watch for deantak on the main floor

KalamEternal: Isn't gaming supposed to be a part of daily culture, same as literature, art, cinema? So why gaming industry focuses on innovating graphics, adding more sophisticated gui's and other useless, imo stuff? Games should tell a story, exactly as books, but in more attractive way. Don't you think so?

danzar: you a good debater

rapture333: 99% percent of ppl at my school whos said runescape was play ended up playing it in a year or 2,

theoriginalsnipe: theoriginalsnipe: My name is Shane, I am better knows as SNIPE in R6V and GRAW2, my question is this, after 28 years of playing both Console and PC platforms, I wonder WHY, you have not developed a REAL game that continues to chanlenge me both Mentaly and Emotionaly, anyone can SHOOT anyone can SIM but what is the next game that will INSPIRE?

dylex666: ya

rapture333: Games shouldnt be like books

Trentish: @Kalam, I do think so, but how is a game going to be immersive without inspired graphics?

rapture333: its not all about the story line

rapture333: the cinematics

Mr. Man: i wouldn't be able to pinpoint a bad debater today, danzar, woot debaters

Mr. Man: oh that's totally something i forgot! the story plays a huge part for me

dylex666: ya

Mr. Man: if the story sucks, feed it to the ducks? lol

Paddy: any you guys fancy adding me to xfire? its Ragdollsuk :) ill be glad to join you ingame sometime

rapture333: look at half life 2 not a sinlge cinematic great graphics and great storyline

danzar: Well i debated with ickles at the last debate

danzar: he is good

dylex666: not a good plot screw cause then its just a boring game

[TTHS]Prophet: Have I mentioned how much I rock lately? xD

Mr. Man: super debate add fest!

dylex666: like wat are you playing it for then

Mr. Man: um no prophet, you havent

rapture333: but you dont NEEdD a great story line for a great game, its all about game play, a good focused story line but nothing to great

BTAvatar: Oh I agree, The story in Bioshock drove me on more than the awsome gameplay

Trentish: again, there's not one magical element of game design that makes a game good, it takes all of the elements coming together (gameplay, graphics, art, etc) to form an awesome game

[TTHS]Prophet: lol - that's probably because I dont rock :-(

Paddy: ha

rapture333: Some games dont even need story lines, look at bf2 bf2142 CSS

danzar: i wish i rocked

[TTHS]Prophet: I just go towned by a 69 warlock -_-

rapture333: especially CSS

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: I wish BF2 had a single player

dylex666: CSS is a major game but rele theres no story line

rapture333: exactly

danzar: run bots

KalamEternal: @Trentish : I do not think that graphic is unnecessary - I just don't like the path that gaming, in general, is following.

Mr. Man: good point

Mr.Pickles{EgC}: that was not like BF1942

rapture333: Its all about skill which in term means gameplay, which its all about!

dylex666: its just t vs ct

Mr. Man: well i think that as a general rule, for singleplayer only games, a good story is a must have

rapture333: its all skill and its always fun

Mr. Man: for combos, it's a developer choice

rapture333: deffenintly

Mr. Man: and for multi only, none required

Trentish: @Kalam, I would definitely agree that some companies are concentrating on the wrong thing, but then you have games like Bioshock or (hopefully) Mass Effect

rapture333: for SP games, a good story line, is a must

Paddy: If i could marry my pc i would, im so glad that pc gaming is sstronger than ever

Mr. Man: but in most cases the story improves the game

Trentish: which have amazing graphics and amazing everything else to back it up

BTAvatar: In conjuction with the Main Floor question, I think that graphics will find a way to get better but that poses some key questions, what happens when the graphics are totally lifelike?

KalamEternal: let's for instance consider FFVII. Will you complain about its bad graphics?

[Fx]GT: Fx]GT: I think the peak would be when we can see every DETAIL of that character That he almost looks HUMAN and what I want to know is how would this affect more of the future gaming today

Mr. Man: Paddy, if i could divorce my PC i would. Think twice before buying the ring ;D

rapture333: HD is better then real life

Trentish: @BTAvatar, the uncanny valley is a fascinating thing, I am very interested in seeing how developers deal with it in the next few years

Trentish: @Kalam, honestly, if it was released now, yes

Paddy: HD is a Sex substitute

Paddy: Honest

rapture333: hmm

[TTHS]Prophet: ><

BTAvatar: That it is Trentish, Did you read the gameinformer artical on it?

gmoney: wowow

rapture333: strange...

Trentish: it was a great game when it came out, and it would still probably be a pretty good game now, but we come to expect games to keep up with the latest graphics

BTAvatar: article*

dylex666: Right whats with people and sex in this Chat Room

rapture333: lol

Trentish: @BTAvatar, I don't think I did, I'll have to look it up

Mr. Man: good point

Mr. Man: lol

BTAvatar: Very interesting piece

danzar: i think this debate has turned into the "?" debate

Mr. Man: well that's it, thanks everyone

[TTHS]Prophet: Thanks guys - nice debate. Thanks ot the guy son the main floor for discussing the damn Wii in so much detail :o

Mr. Man: great freakin' debate

dylex666: true danzer

KalamEternal: yeah good debate

rapture333: amen brother

[247vent.com]Youkosnake: That was fun. Hopefully I can participate in the next.

Trentish: hah

[TTHS]Prophet: Catch you all at the next deabate :-)

KalamEternal: thanks guys.

Starkid4u: gg guys

BTAvatar: Great debate, looking foward to another

rapture333: even though i havent been paying attention to the main flor

Mr. Man: look forward to seeing you guys again

dylex666: good debate it was fun

rapture333: GD

Paddy: Me too

rapture333: GD for good debate

Mr. Man: now gimmie a tshirt lol

rapture333: gd

Paddy: ahahahah

dylex666: lol

Trentish: awesome debate, as usual, thanks all

jethrotoll: good debate?

dylex666: yup yup

rapture333: yes gd

fragalanche: gg