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Xfire Debate Club 5th Meeting: The Console War
June 7th, 2007 (Open Debate Transcript)

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: The PS3 is the perfect balance between motion sentivity, the sixaxis, and regular videogaming, thrown together with amazing graphics and seriously capability, it really makes it a very strong console, the price is the most difficult thing for people to understand.

luwig: PSP just sux

|TAD|payback: Yeah, PSP was missing an analog stick

Virus: PSP is the best

Phoenix: PSP is incomplete, at best

[??]Jrod: ps3 is a copy of the wii motion controls

luwig: imcomplete

Phoenix: it nedds a second analog stick

blutenrot: PSP doesn't suck, its the best handheld

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: every console has a good side and a badside

(212th)jamesbond857: ps3 is to expensive

UFF_Lethal: PS3 is a good console but the bad side is most of the stocks are on ebay

luwig: i know

Brutal: who of the three consoles do you think has the best controller?

The Arbiter: Personally I believe the Wii is a great system for Casual gamers. I mean come on, my uncle, who has not owned a video game system in his life, bought his first, the Wii, a few weeks ago

Spencer: How much is the PS3 going for now?

Virus: i love how many emulators i can put on it ^^

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: yes its expensive but if u want a good system that fits u yes

Shinkada: As far as the PS3 goes, Nocturn, I believe the question is, especially considering how many games are cross-console these days and WON'T look any different on EITHER console, is the 'increased power' worth the price tag?

Judgement. Dan: my 360 isnt getting its full usage

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: 360 pricing is mid point between the others making it the realistic solution for most gamers

TonicBH: The PSP is a fantastic media device and game player. The problem is that it's a bit expensive. Yeah sure there's that $169 model, but that doesn't have a memory stick. And the other models are too pricey ($250 for the Value pack, $300 for the Giga pack)

Adj the Demonic: see, non-gamers become gamers with the wii

luwig: Wii gets everyone into video games yayy

Tank_Man: Nintendo has bad graphicsand wiis u have to excerise to do anything and ps3s not good graphics and a lot of crashes Xbox 360 good graphics owned by microsoft no wondor its so good

Soldier of the World*: wel i got a xobx 360 and i have try ps3 and nintendo wii and i think wii is the most funny one and xbox360 and ps3 are both good

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: Exactly, the ps3 is expensive, but for that value your getting so much more, I mean the games for the ps3 are already starting to go beyond the 360's capabilities.

Pinguin: ps3 is for F@H! dont try to play game on it... it ain't made for games

TonicBH: then again, people pay hundreds for iPods and other expensive portable gadgets, so YMMV

luwig: meh yea

UFF_Lethal: It is actually value for money as most blue ray players cost $1000+

|TAD|payback: Nintendo promised people that they would innovate on things like FPS', so far I've seen no good one's that even control well

beto: lol

Spencer: Pinguin, you already said that.

luwig: some people arent that smart

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Pinguin: Keep that for the unofficial chat room please

Fazazzums: clap

* [Xfire] Artaxs applauds!

(212th)jamesbond857: Sony spends more money to make the ps3 than to sels it

Fazazzums: clap

Fazazzums: clap

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: wii is the most kiddiest system i've ever seen

Judgement. Dan: Wii wouldnt get me into nintendo again. Nintendo has been falling down stairs in terms of gaming

Fazazzums: clap

DF-Co2Noss: lol

[??]Jrod: applause lol

* [Xfire] SDaria applauds

Hawk: claping

Fazazzums: cla[

nexuscrysix: clap x 300

luwig: Wii make a FPS is good =]

Besso: *clap*

Si: The wii is amazing for anyone who just wants to have fun, not just for those who want amazing graphics

johnjuan: yeah, the wii has broadened the casual market, but do we really need a "hollywood-ization" of games, with the market catering to the casual gamer who really doesn't know any better?

Tank_Man: Nintendo has bad graphicsand wiis u have to excerise to do anything and ps3s not good graphics and a lot of crashes Xbox 360 good graphics owned by microsoft no wondor its so good

S.W.A.T.: *clap*

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: if it was called the revolution it wouldn't be so bad

DF-Co2Noss: xD

Wraith: the 360 is a good system, it's just it has a tendency to break

(212th)jamesbond857: nintendo motion controllers arn't the best also

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: *Slow claps...then gets faster...stands up...screams*

Judgement. Dan: i know

Elliot: graphics don't really matter

luwig: Wii is just awsome

{S&S}Mr.Taco: thats about my only gripe about the wii, its awkward tot alk about

AOD_Tr_LOTM: Welcome to the debate, glad everyone is here today! Oh and by the way. Best Buy is the best retail store for video games in America.

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: The wii is indeed a great system for casual gamers, but it lacks the seriousness that I'm sure alot of you really want.

luwig: lol

Shinkada: The only thing close to an FPS the Wii has, is Red Steel, and it failed miserably. The controls were horrifying. It was IMPOSSIBLE to aim.

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: if u want a good system thats u can afford go wit a 360 but then again if u want a good one to play bluray also get a PS3 but the wii is fun after awhile but after that its boring

grammatoneric: The way I see it, the Wii is the best system because it has made gaming an inclusive environment again. The X-box 360 and the PS3 are fine, but the gamers that play them are a “1337”ist group that actually alienate nongamers from gaming. The Wii is accessible to everyone and that step, that brings new gamers into the fold, to see how fun video games can be (to anyone) is what I would argue makes it the best system.

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: some pig went wii wii wii all the way home

Judgement. Dan: Graphics are the #1 issue in my case

(QK)urmom: The Xbox360 has the best selection of games in my opinion, because it has been out longest. The PS3 has the blue ray disk drive, but you can get an HD hardware addition for the 360 to be able to play HD movies. The Wii doesn’t compare in graphics at all in my opinion, however it is very fun to actually swing your arms and stuff ( it makes you feel like your in the game more). I pick the 360 because it has the best of the games, in my opinion, and it also can do HD gaming, it has rumble packs in the controllers! *Cough* sony *cough*

Judgement. Dan: i like the xbox360. with Halo 1 and 2 being game of the year #3 is bound to be a good one, plus microsoft is what is binding 90% of the internet together

Adj the Demonic: graphics will hit the wall

luwig: PEOPLE

luwig: DONT COPY N PASTE

Fazazzums: ok

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Lol ^^

(QK)urmom: xbox 360 is my choice

TonicBH: I'm gonna get started anyway. I'm liking the way the Xbox 360 is coming out. Great online features, exceptional games... only a few things hamper it: micro-transactions and the dreaded three red lights

luwig: it's annoying

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: resistance!!!

Pilot_51: gameplay is more important than graphics, otherwise it wouldn't be a game

Wraith: the wii is also a good system but has a tendency to break stuff around it with Unidentified Flying Controlers

luwig: how about no...

Shinkada: Not everyone who plays the 'regular' consoles are 'l33tists'. Some of us just find the Wii too gimmicky.

(QK)urmom: im gonna just read for a while

[Xfire-TTHS] Klaak: i disagree

???ax™[?]: i think the xbox 360 will win BEACUSE SOOO MANY PS# exclusevs have jumped the PS3 SHip to board teh xbox360

luwig: lol

Tank_Man: NO SPAMING i cannot read anything

johnjuan: gameplay is equally as important as graphics

Phoenix: that's true

Pinguin: x360 allready won.

luwig: yea

DF-Co2Noss: XD

TheSmokingManX: Grammatoneric, that's going too far; there's plenty of casual stuff on 360 to be played, so implying that the Wii is the only one capable of reeling in casual gamers is a bit too extreme

Wraith: ya

DF-Co2Noss: called hi ma noob

luwig: no it ahvent

|TAD|payback: I think it's a bit early to be judging the PS3

Fazazzums: i think i might get goin this is justtoo chaotic

Spencer: The new trend for consoles is interactivity. Multiplayer should be on PC for competitive purposes, so PC wins that for obvious reasons. All the PC can't (won't) do is interactivity.

Wraith: gameplay is important

Tank_Man: xbox 360 for the win

Judgement. Dan: thats where the game creators step in, not the system cr4eators

Adj the Demonic: x360 has halo 3, then it will die

TonicBH: PS3... $600 is too much for any game console. Any game console that sold at more than $300-350 (Saturn, Neo Geo, most models of the 3DO) failed in the market to cheaper competitors.

grammatoneric: Just because something is new and different doesn't make it gimmicky

Pilot_51: are you saying Pong is a bad game?

|TAD|payback: Heavenly sword hasn't even come out yet

[Xfire-TTHS] Klaak: yes while some people believe gameplay is the only factor, graphics are just as important

|TAD|payback: Neither has Killzone

Shinkada: I agree, that it's too early to be judging the PS3.

luwig: no

Brutal: PS3 was released too soon

[ZiiP]Lazzars: gameplay is nice but i don't want my games to look shockingly bad when i play them on a console

TonicBH: the Xbox 360 is the only exception so far.

luwig: pong is kewl too

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the PS3 is bad because of the price and none buys it ! BUT ther lowerin the 60GB to 500$ and making a 80GB(i think)

Soldier of the World*: wait to buy ps3 for chrismas..

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: it is a great blu-ray player for only $600!

TonicBH: I'll wait until the questioning comes around first

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: i think i'll just make my own company and totally own all 3 systems

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: also with a better lineup of releases it will blow PS3 out of the water until Sony comes up with the goods

luwig: lol

(212th)jamesbond857: ps3 coullnt be held any longer

TheSmokingManX: Degeneration, no way do they offer an 80GB unit here. It would have to be 100GB, minimum, to make ANY sense whatsoever

[Xfire-TTHS] Klaak: sure i've played dozens of amazing 2d games but only because i randomly stumbled across them. what really appeals to players is when they go to the video game store and look at the back of the box and see uber kickass graphics

Adj the Demonic: have we been thrown the questions yet?

Spencer: Probably because you invite random strangers to TTHS meetings.

DF-Co2Noss: xD

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Seriously, same here. Let the questions come up first guys xD

pRime*: yea 360 is if you wanne play games wii is for fun end you take a ps3 if you heve to mutch monny

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I think Xbox 360 is the best console around due to the vast amount of decent titles avaliable for it, once PS3 is lower in price and has more titles out, it may be a decent contender.

luwig: probably

|TAD|payback: Blu ray isn't really even an upgrade from DVD in my opinion, quality I meen

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the PS3 is expensive but is good for a bluray player cheap wit havin a game system at the same time

Elliot: but sony had relased a standalone blue ray for 600

Shinkada: Agreed with SteveUK.

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: but the console depends on the person

Phoenix: i weant a console for playing

beto: my whole famile use my wii

Althalus: ah but the amount of titles does not determain the quality of the console

[ZiiP]Lazzars: blu ray will loose out to HD-DVD, the advantage of a ps3 is easily lost

beto: we all love the wii

beto: aloot

[??]Jrod: lol

Phoenix: their quality does

luwig: yea

DF-Co2Noss: wii is good for family play and thats about it.... i dont liek the controller

johnjuan: yeah, the whole family uses the wii, but my whole family also thinks shrek the third is a AAA movie

Phoenix: and the Wii has great gems

Wraith: i want a console for gameplay of games, i wouldnt get a ps3 because it is so high priced and there is a lack of quality games for it

luwig: quality isnt everything

|TAD|payback: Yeah but Nintendo promised that the wii would appael to hardocre gamers, so far I've seen nothing in that regard

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the person decides wat console is a good one that fits that particular person

Phoenix: the ps3 does not

S.W.A.T.: Wii is okay was never a fan of Nintendo games.

Shinkada: Rofl, myspace, nicely said.

TonicBH: Or not. Okay, PS3. The online functionality isn't as powerful as Live's. It's dependant on each game, rather than one unified network. That means there's no way to see if a buddy's playing Resistance while you're playing Motorstorm. Plus servers for any game could go down at any time

Spencer: PC - personal, Wii - friends.

Althalus: to me the console is as good as its reliability

Bwizzle {CV}: i think the Wii is for kids, they have really no good games

Si: is it me or do we have a corner saying wii is best, a corner saying 360 is best and most people thinking ps3 is too expensive

Pilot_51: wait a sec... i lost the email... what exactly do we debate in this room if not consoles?

luwig: Wii is good for everyone

pRime*: mii wii has no cool games beside zelda

TonicBH: see many PS2 games like RE: Outbreak and Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence.

[RF] Jehuty: wait for the Wii

Wraith: meanwhile i would get an xbox 360 because it has the quality games, and it isn't as expensive

.? wMute ?: Divide the console war into 3 phases: beginning, middle and end. X360 might be great now, but what about later, when prices have dropped and when HDTVs are more common? the PS3 then becomes a more viable choice for people wanting quality, and perhaps, a bigger selection of games. Keep in mind, the PS3 is stll in it's first generation of games.

Althalus: if you can have the console for a few years without any problems then its worth buying it

:Uk-HaS:Marshy[LR] L4aC: We are debating consoles

TheSmokingManX: Sony is doing a horrible job marketing the PS3. They simply say, "We're the most powerful, we can do so much more." Instead they should, right now, focus on the system being a cheap Blu-ray player. Then, when there are quite a few games AVAILABLE, tout them as why you should go drop the cash on the system.

beto: wii is for alll dude

[RF] Jehuty: it will get some hardcore games out soon

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: also depending on the games that are out ppl ot the PS3 because of the games either out or comin out

DF-Co2Noss: ps3 is gonna be their downfall

kingsimmy: the best thing to do is buy a wii now, and a 360 when it is cheaper

Wraith: but a wii, that i would avoid because of unidentifed flying controlers

???ax™[?]: the xbox 360 im my opionion has teh best games online and market place!

Besso: but some of the wii games are a little too "friendly" I got hooked on wii sports when i played it, but i almost died of frustration trying to figure out how to hold a gun inr red steel

Elliot: the controllers don't fly

|TAD|payback: The biggest problem with the Ps3 is the price point

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I don't like the Wii to much, it might have the entire gimmick with the controller, but the lack of games avaliable for the system is disappointing

luwig: well yea

Shinkada: My favourite games have always been complicated ones. Devil May Cry 3, Guilty Gear, Phantom Crash - You will NEVER see anything like that on the Wii. It's too simplistic for me.

kingsimmy: use the 360 for proper gaming like halo3 and gtaIV

Wraith: i was kidding

Adj the Demonic: drunks and idiots throw remotes, you can't unless you really try

luwig: thats why u use the strap

TonicBH: Will PlayStation Home help the PS3? I don't think so. It's basically Second Life (a free PC MMO program) on a PlayStation 3, and doesn't fix the problems with the online

pRime*: bus if metroid prime 3 is larncht the wii wil have more eys

Wraith: i was making a joke about the straps breaking

S.W.A.T.: Yeah if MGS4 comes out on Xbox 360 I'm deffinitly getting it

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: wii to me gets boring after awhile

luwig: lets not

Pilot_51: it sounds like we're supposed to debate what the guys in the main floor say and console debate goes in unofficial chatter, am i wrong?

Spencer: Wii for kids? They had a gun game where you use the wiimote as a gun to kill stuff. With BLOOD.

beto: wii sport it self is the best thing ever

luwig: yes it is

RedMage: MGS4 is coming out for 360

Bwizzle {CV}: what about FF on the PS3...that is hands down one of the best games ever

[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: remember to stop chatting here

Shinkada: Even I'll admit that, as much as I'm against the Wii, its controls DON'T break THAT easily. Especially not the newer ones.

[ZiiP]Lazzars: omg blood

The Arbiter: As soon as Playstation 3's home comes out, PS3 will be almost as good online as the 360 is

|TAD|payback: Yeah, but Playstation home is a step in the right direction when talking about next-gen online gaming

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: ive played all systems i love them all i just personally have a PS3 if i had the money id have them all

[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: right when the debate starts we will be muting you

(212th)jamesbond857: well is that game is rated M

Althalus: they shouldnt realy take ff from the ps3

Wraith: 360 has one exclusive that will be a console seller, Halo 3

Althalus: its been a sony game for years

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: My friend who decicded to buy a Wii no longer plays it and is just collecting dust.

kingsimmy: Wii Play is as gooda as Wii sports and only costs £10/$20

DF-Co2Noss: FF could be for nay system, but the fact that they made is for PS is whats gettign them money

pRime*: the wii just havs to muts cild-is games

[??]Jrod: yeah but ff started on nintendo

[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: chat in UC

HydroJen: i'll buy ur firend's wii

TheSmokingManX: Home is going to be more attractive to the casual gamers that want to get online, though. Xbox Live isn't quite that.

Tank_Man: WII's bad games

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: home should be awesome, along with Warhawk!

[??]Jrod: I got a Wii lol

DF-Co2Noss: Xbox 360!

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: M

(QK)urmom: yes, price is good for a Wii

Wraith: i dont own one ether, im waiting for a good game to come out and for the prices to come down

luwig: i love wiii

DF-Co2Noss: go PCS!

DF-Co2Noss: xD

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: AND PC!!!

[Xfire] SDaria: I don't own any. I love my pc. But of the three I spend the most time on the wii

TonicBH: I currently own all three last-gen consoles (Xbox, PS2, Gamecube). Currently my PS2 has been getting more playtime thanks to Toni Cipriani and Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories.

TheSmokingManX: I've got a 360 and a Wii. 95% of my console time is spent on the 360, and the rest with my Wii. Right now there just isn't anything outside of Paper Mario and Zelda worth playing, and being done with those, I have no reason to play anything other than Wii Sports with a friend.

Logan: i would use the 360 though

RedMage: I never turn my 360 off, i own a Wii too but its more of a party system to me with smash bros and wii sports. Forza hasnt left my xbox in over a week and its been on pretty much non stop.

Spencer: None. The PS3 is the only one I really want because of some games, but the PC is too much to fight for the expensive PS3.

beto: i recommened ever one owning a wii

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: As a second (next gen) console I'd rather get a PS3, once they are more affordable.

Tolkienfanatic: Right now I am trying to finish up a handful of great PS2 games before I *hopefully* get a PS3

pRime*: the ps3 suks ass and it is way to pricy next to that the ps 3 dus not hame gamse wihit a storry line but whit grafics

TonicBH: My intent is to get a 360 by the end of this year. It has passed my personal rule of getting at least five games for a console

Brutal: wii is going through quite the drought

Bwizzle {CV}: thats the only thing a wii is good for; gathering dust

beto: its cheap and fun to play

kingsimmy: doesnt look like many people had PS3s

|TAD|payback: What about hardcore gamers, does the wii appeal to them? unlikely....

Althalus: the wii is excellent especialy for games like call of duty 3

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: I've a 360 don;t play on it all that much as I don;t have many new games....but if i could afford it...the selection is excellent

Si: I own a Wii, to me its the only worth while one, because for most of the 360 and ps3 stuff, I have a pc for that.

TonicBH: Not sure if I should go for the Elite or the Premium, however

Anubis: 360 has the best games out right now

Spencer: That makes no sense, Bwizlle.

(212th)jamesbond857: if u never turn ur 360 of it is going to start a fire

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: Agree Bwizzle

????†§: 5 Games? Does that mean The Halo 3 4 discs?

DF-Co2Noss: i;d liek a 360 for halo 3 and thats about it, its not worth buying.. the price is insane

Elliot: that's a good poit, most 360 games ae coming for PC

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: well depending on the price wat {next-gen console} is the best buy between the graphics and wat its worth?

Spencer: Why would they make a console to collect dust? :)

luwig: never leave ur PS3 on for a long time

beto: sooner the wii is going to more popaler then myspace

[??]Jrod: lol

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: My XBox 360 is very reliable

.? wMute ?: I don't own a PS3 or a 360. However, if given a choice of selecting either one for purchase, I would be basing that on the current games available. In that case, I'd buy a 360. However, if I knew that I would only get to buy a single console during this generation, I'd select a PS3 because at least then, I'd know that when we get to the final stages of the so-called "console war", PS3 might look more attractive in the end-game.

Besso: Halo isnt even all that good when you compare it to resistance and gears

Surferdude: The xbox seems to be the best for teens+ but at a cost as well, it has more games for these ages and has the graphics to bak it up, unfortunately though it doesnt have the blu ray system in it but atleast it keeps the price down a little, also microsoft is doing a GREAT job with selling and marketing them

luwig: youll burn down ur house XD

TonicBH: The Wii? It's good if you liked some of the things the DS had (touch screen, microphone, dual screens)

Althalus: i prefer the 360 also because some games are just meant to be played in a gamepad

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: ^

johnjuan: besso, you're just wrong

TonicBH: But if you're all for top-of-the-line everything

Wraith: personally i want to get a 360 for halo 3, and because it would provide reverse compatibiitly with all my xbox 1 games

TonicBH: then the Wii isn't gonna do it for you

[??]Jrod: Yeah bu tthe Wii is more of a console for ALL people alike, not on targeted crown

Surferdude: I think that the PS3 is the worst of all 3 systems, it does have the blu ray but is way to expensive for a system, the games are more for teens and has good graphics but just aint good enough for the bucks,

Besso: only in some area

johnjuan: resistance is mediocre, elevated by a launch draught

Besso: i was too broad

Besso: i didnt mean it like that

Althalus: going on value for money definately the wii

kingsimmy: A mouse > Wiimote > ps3 controller

TonicBH: but for a guy like me, who doesn't care about technology a whole lot

[??]Jrod: crowd*

[Xfire-TTHS] Klaak: to me, the only reason console games are more popular than pc games is because they are guarenteed to work on the console. they don't have to worry about what their computer can handle or worry about upgrading with the latest technology. they are merely "softcore" gamers imho

nexuscrysix: oh and a DS lite

Adj the Demonic: what will people buy after halo 3?

TonicBH: it doesn't matter

Surferdude: I think that the Wii is the best for your buck to be honest......it has good graphics, it has a ton of different style games (some for every age) and it is also the cheapest,

Spencer: Yes, kings.

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Leave the off topic comments (i.e. comments on specific games *cough besso*) for unofficial chatter please :D

|TAD|payback: Resistance certainly didn't rival Gears of War

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: In all honesty I'd rather play with a controller rather than wave a controller around like a twat

TheSmokingManX: I think all of you are trying to fit each system into a demographic. 'Wii for kids and non-gamers; 360 for teens; PS3 for tech-heads" It just doesn't work like that, it's a lot more deep.

kingsimmy: GTA IV !!

johnjuan: gears is a one-trick pony compared to the multitude of gameplay variations in the halo series

The Arbiter: Exactly why the Wii appeals to the more casual gamer: because of the ability to use a Microphone, using your movements to control your characters, and other stuff. Currently I'm still trying to beat sonic on the wii :/

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: The PS3 can take alot of heat, it just requires to be in an open area, you can't just simply leave it in a cuboard running and expect it to not overheat.

beto: i wish that killzone was on the wii i thing it will work the best on it

grammatoneric: Gears is still funny though

Logan: Michael - GoW2?

Bwizzle {CV}: PC gaming FTW

pRime*: if you wanne game you take a 360 and a wii then you hav fun end cool games vor the price of a ps3 whit cheaper games

Logan: you play it?

luwig: yea

[ZiiP]Lazzars: ps3 games don't compare to the ps2 games that were out this long after the ps2 launch

.? wMute ?: Surferdude, you're basing your opinion on barely a year for the PS3 to build it's library. There are MANY more games coming out for the PS3 while the 360 has had a much longer time to build it's library of gaming.

luwig: PC is awsome

Pilot_51: DS phat FTW

Nadehhh

TonicBH: I personally anticipate more third party games to the Wii that aren't ports of freakin' PSP titles.

Tank_Man: Everything will mailfunction by staying on to long

TonicBH: PSP titles! I think that's gotta be something

[??]Jrod: The Wii introduces games to people who may not be all hardcore liek people for the ps3 or the 360

beto: lol

|TAD|payback: PS3 is good, but Sony is putting to many of their great titles to the 360, why buy the PS3 when I can get my devil may cry 4, GTA 4 for the 360?....

.? wMute ?: Just because the 360 has the better games now, doesn't mean the 360 will have better games 2-3 years from now.

HydroJen: most stores had to recall orders of ps3s, speaks for itself imo

Althalus: ok for your new to gaming person the wii is by far the best choice, like its been said the wii is cheap and good for the price and has games for all ages and everyone can do it

TonicBH: porting from a handheld to a console! Isn't that usually the other way around?

luwig: Wii introduce none gamers to games

Rebellion.: o.o

beto: thur

Tolkienfanatic: PS3 is being marketed horribly, and it is a shame because it has so much potential.

luwig: maybe lol

luwig: yea

HydroJen: ps3 was a mistake

.? wMute ?: Elaborate on that, tokienfanatic

The Arbiter: I agree Sony is marketing the PS3 horribly

Adj the Demonic: a shame too

luwig: it is

[ZiiP]Lazzars: sony are just far too arrogant these days

luwig: Sony's losing it

Wraith: my problem with the 360 is to get the online features you want, you have to subscribe to something that you should get for free

nexuscrysix: The wii has great potention, it just needs thoese biggames like MP 3, SSBB and more

Surferdude: i knw the games that are coming and i would liek to get them but still this is the age groups the company itself shoots for

Althalus: but then the 360 pushed the boundries of gaming that little bit further

kingsimmy: the ps3 lost a lot of sales by being released too late in europe

Nadehhh

S.W.A.T.: PS3 is good but has no good games to justifiy the price

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: but

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

[14:11] egmshoe: Seems Wii and 360 are more common, though. Is that a cost thing for you guys?

Wraith: true that swat

|TAD|payback: Best buy= 360, no quyestion

nexuscrysix: The PS3 will need a load of exclusives by 2008 to suceed

TonicBH: Outside of the general consensus of Metal Gear Solid 4... there's not much

TheSmokingManX: @Tolkienfanatic It still does. In the long-term, they've got the time to promote it and show off what the system has -- great games. They just aren't here yet.

johnjuan: regardless of the year each console finds itself in (1st gen, 2nd gen, etc), you need to look at the relative position of each: a gamer is not going to go "hmm, gears of war looks way better than resistance, but I'm gonna give ps3 the benefit of the doubt" - it's about what's availible NOW

beto: i kinda like the ps3 cuz of moto storm

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: 360 is the middle point which means its the option fior most pepple

|TAD|paybak: Not much? what about Heavenly sword?

Tank_Man: no

grammatoneric: I think that the wii is definitely the most original but that originality is killing it on third party design, because the idea of programming something for motion is radically different

Besso: wel considerring i have a ps3, iand a gaming PC, probably not

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Definately; if i were to buy a console now, it would be the wii, since its cheap yet i get enough enjoyment for my dollar

TonicBH: Cost is an issue, I must admit. I sadly have no job and usually am a squelcher in terms of money

Althalus: the ps3 was overrated and has lost nearly all its exclusive games because of late realeases and not stocking enough

The Arbiter: Personally I definately believe that people are turned off by the PS3's price, which is why more people buy the 360 and Wii.

Spencer: Yes, it is. 600 dollars for the player for 60-dollar games. Okay lol.

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: Colin McRae DIRT, which is out on the Xbox 360 looks much better than Motor Storm

kingsimmy: yes it is because of price

Elliot: some what, but I have a Wii also due to the good games that are coming

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: and unlike the wii its success is not based on novelty potential so its reign will last

luwig: If cost was the factor....Wii wins

Adj the Demonic: I figured wii to be a good purchase, cheaper than the rest, and revolutionized controls

Si: The PS3 is far too expensive for it to be worth it.

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: lol yes i agreee wit chris lol

????†§: I agree with Chris.

nexuscrysix: kinda, the 360 isn't that bad. The PS3 is. However the elite is overpriced.

Adj the Demonic: and weight loss too

|TAD|payback: Exactly, 360 has been out for a year, you already have a great lineup

luwig: gameplaty would be 360

.? wMute ?: In terms of game selection, the Wii and 360 has many more "killer apps", franchise games that will sell hardware. PS3, currently, has no "big name" games that fans would warrant a PS3 purchase for.

TonicBH: so plunking down $600, $60+ on games and whatever else is a very costly investment

kingsimmy: people dont want to spend soo much money on a ps3 and hd-tv

*{ELITE}*Degeneration:

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

[14:12] egmshoe: Of all these systems, what do you picture yourself still actively playing with in the year 2010?

kingsimmy: i agree

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Granado Espada anyone? But yea, Wii definately wins for pricing

????†§: I doubt any of the console I have right now I will be playing in 2010.

The Arbiter: how can you say blu ray is completey useless?

[??]Jrod: yeah i agree blu ray will die out soon in my opinion

|TAD|payback: You still have the issue of installing large games

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: id probably be playin all three if i have them all

Althalus: definately the 360

(212th)jamesbond857: WELL EVERYONE AGREES XBOX 360 IS THE BEST!

Brutal: in 2010 i see all of them in most people's rooms

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Which console will i be playing in 2010? PC.

kingsimmy: in 2010 i might still be playing the Wii

Wraith: i could see 600 on a console + games, but when the console has no good games, or when it was just the console, no i wont buy it, id rather upgrade my pc or buy a different console

TonicBH: 360 and Wii. Hopefully by then the Wii will have more than Nintendo games to hold me over!

luwig: I picture my self playing Wii for a long long long time

Nadehhh

RedMage: I definately see myself playing the Wii in 2010, there will probably be a new xbox out by then so ill say probably not that

luwig: Wii is the revolution

|TAD|payback: PC is appealing to me right now

TheSmokingManX: 360, PS3 if I have one. Wii will have a successor of some sort by then, so I can't imagine playing it.

Besso: with all the new games coming out over the summer, its going to be hard to choose

Si: i would actively be playing the wii, if more decent games come out, because you actually have to actively use it by the definition of it

Elliot: hmm, i think the 360, with the gaems with replay value, and teh online componit,

S.W.A.T.: In 2010 probably the PS2 because it's all I can afford

|TAD|payback: isn't

beto: everone should get a wii cuz ppl love playing it

????†§: Pause thats not a console ;)

Trigger: PS3 definitely. The 360 just doesnt have anything to offer me.

Nadehhh

Spencer: No, interactivity is the revolution.

The Arbiter: I can see myself still playing the PS3 in 2010, just because as the PS3 starts to pick up more steam more developers will start ot come over and give us alot more good games

Althalus: the 360 has more playability then the wii so im more likely to keep playing that untill the next next-gen console

Tolkienfanatic: I'll still be playing a PC, probably whatever PS we are up to by then. 4?

kingsimmy: i wouldnt play on a ps1 now, so i wouldnt play on ps3 or 360 in 2010

Surferdude: [ZIP]. actualy the wii does have anice set up w/ there channels feature

.? wMute ?: THe PS3 has bluray, thus a much alrger storage capacity. When developpers get a better grasp of the development tools for the nextgen systems, developpers might be more appealed by the concept of makiing games on the PS3 because of it's huge 200 gb capacity

luwig: i would pay all of the Wii games

Tank_Man: I wanna eat but have no idea how this works

johnjuan: 2010? that's too far off, I'll be looking at the next crop of consoles; by that time, we'll be at a point where PCs completely outstrip the consoles, as always in the later parts of console generations

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Nights: Lies! Ok fine, I'll see myself playing Ps3 because it seems much more advanced, and by then the price will be low :D

grammatoneric: We won't be playing any of them in 2010 they make new systems too fast

Spencer: Wii is the carrier of interactivity.

Rebellion.: 360 isn't ready yet, IMO.

[Xfire]?? Haysead ??: Well I wish that you could have cross compatability.

Wraith: none of em are imo

|TAD|payback: True, but Nintendo said that the wii is also for hardcore players, where are the games for the hardcore gamers?

The Arbiter: Wii is also a good choice that you'llk stil be playing in 3 years

Adj the Demonic: wii will stay around for a while

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: The I expect the XBOX 360 will have a long life time.

TonicBH: Hopefully by then we won't be seeing the next Xbox or PlayStation

luwig: o yea

Adj the Demonic: as they planned

luwig: it ll styau around for a long time

TonicBH: because that would be a pain

Spencer: 360 is a joke. All that saves it is the price and some good games.

luwig: lol

TonicBH: to buy a PS3 then hear a PS4 is around the corner

Tolkienfanatic: You won't be playing Wii in three years. No way.

????†§: By 2009 you will hear rumors of next Xbox.

kingsimmy: Wii will last longest, ppl get attached to nintendo stuff

Besso: the 360 has alot of bugs

.? wMute ?: 360, imo, is made to win the console battle early. PS3's appeal is later on, after several games and a bigger library, i.e., around 2010

Shinkada: That's it, these things really are just a fanboy fest, and impossible to have a proper debate in. You just sit around listening to the main room being fanboys. I'm out.

Althalus: true im yet to see a game besides call of duty 3 that even comes close to hardcore gaming

Besso: i think thats why microsoft is releasing the elite

Nadehhh

luwig: by next ur gonna be hearing stuff about the next gen lol

Tank_Man: hmm spam mcuh?

[ZiiP]Lazzars: a 360 is just a cheap computer really you want games then get a gaming comp

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: Mute: nicely put lmao, thats exactly what i was thinking

beto: on the news here on idaho they were talking about the wii helping old ppl and that just makes me happy :)

luwig: yea

Wraith: the one flaw with all consoles is it's fixed technoligy, if you want to have a good valuse, i'd pay 600 bucks just for a console if you could upgrade the insides like a pc

TheSmokingManX: Good games and a cheap pricetag seem like a pretty good, potent combo for a game machine.

kingsimmy: yes Wii will last!

Tank_Man: pc will always be the best

Adj the Demonic: ya

(212th)jamesbond857: the next generation of gaming is goign to be so expensive

Althalus: i highly doubt that sony will recover they lost so much just on the realese

Nadehhh

Pilot_51: Wii will live on a long time

Althalus: the nintendo ds has sold more in europe then the ps3

TonicBH: it might have the effect Nintendo had with the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: The Wii has a cheap pricetag, not good games.

beto: nintendo pwns

The Arbiter: Agreed: If Sony can get their act together and market the PS3 correctly then the Ps3 will eventually be superior

|TAD|payback: You just need to give the PS3 some time, everyone has a bad launch

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

[14:14] egmshoe: So far, very few people are saying "Wii." Do you guys feel that the Wii has limited long-term appeal?

Si: the Wii will last longer than the 360 or ps3 as long as it stays unique in its control methods

RedMage: i dont understand why people arent saying Wii

????†§: I doubt the Wii will last. Wii HD next 2 years? If not sooner.

Tolkienfanatic: Wii is going to have an extremely short-term appeal in my eyes... again, its too gimmicky.

kingsimmy: the ps3 could be sonys last consoel

grammatoneric: Sony is notorious for coming ot the party late in the games department though

Elliot: YES

.? wMute ?: You really got divide the console war and the nextgen timeline in different parts. Divide it into beginning, middle and end. I'd say, 360 wins the beginning, the Middle becomes more of a draw, and the End is won by PS3

Nodgene: I'm not a console gamer, so I wouldn't be playing any :P But what I do think that has the longest endurance is probably the Wii. The xbox360, and then the PS3 even more are heavily spec-set. The Wii has a great universal appeal which doesn't require 6 subprocessors to whirl on... whereas the other two will have to become replace as soon as their graphical capacity gets old. This is especially true of the PS3 I feel; because it is so built on being "the best" spec-wise. It'll get outdated very fast as all lean-mean gaming machines do.

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: The Wii does have a limited appeal

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: NO

grammatoneric: there wasn't anything good on the PS2 for like 2 years

Tank_Man: Nintendo bad graphics no fps games = lame

luwig: YES!

Adj the Demonic: wii will make you healthy too, something other systems can't say; ps3=fat 360=fat wii= thin and healthy

Nadehhh

TonicBH: it's still hard to find six months after launch

Wraith: the wii is very bad at first person shooters

[??]Jrod: yeah but hardcore gamers will eventually get their games, HELLO Metroid Prime 3

TheSmokingManX: @Spencer That's a terrible example. PS2 had the worst tech last gen, and look at which system is still well-alive?

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: Xbox 360's can only run Linux if they're hacked. PS3s can run Linux without modding anything

Si: Not really, it currently has a limited appeal, but if it time was taken and games like more fps were made that used the wii better it would have a longer appeal

TonicBH: it's nearing the 360's sales figures

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: i agree wit niel

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: it seems like it is only a competition between 360 and ps3

The Arbiter: I believe the Wii has a very long time appeal, and is definately not a gimmick: If it was a gimmick/fad, why are SOny and Microsoft trying to incorporate this stuff into their controllers?

luwig: Wii has FPS btw

????†§: I do. Everyone wants one now you know what? I'm not angry about my non purchase of a Wii.

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: The reason the wii is outselling and the Ps3 is in the dust are a few rather simple reasons, to my understanding. 1. People think the Wii is 'cool' and the ps3 is 'stupid' they have gathered no information about ither before making snap judgments based on absolutely nothing. 2. The price. Indeed it is very expensive, and people would probably much rather be spending around a third of the price for a fun game. But. The Wii is not really a video game anymore, If you view each console as a person, it would be rather relative to a Wii being a child, the 360 being a teenager and the PS3 being a grown person.

Besso: wii has no FPS

Spencer: Graphics are a lot more than you think. Graphics immerse you in the world of the game.

TonicBH: and it's about as strong as an Xbox

Tolkienfanatic: As the guys are saying, the Wii will not hold intereset for hardcore players for much longer with tacked on motion controlling.

Besso: dont kid yourself

Wraith: really, i didnt know that about the ps3

.? wMute ?: In terms of the Wii, it's appealing for no other reason than it's purpose as a gimmick gadget. We've seen this before from nintendo in terms of the Virtual Boy, the Light Gun, the Power Glove. The Wii is appealing right now, but in 2010? Wii cannot compete from a graphics standpoint

Besso: red steel blows

Besso: hard

S.W.A.T.: I hate that whole motion sensor thing in the PS3 and Wii

(212th)jamesbond857: when you buy the 360, you have to buy every thing from microsoft

beto: yea it suks

The Arbiter: IT's also definately NOT just a competition between PS3 and Wii

TonicBH: speaking of FPS: Wii ahs Call of Duty 3, Red Steel, some Medal of Honor game

Besso: and the remake of resident evil 4 for the wii is a joke

RedMage: Once the hardware is out there more, the wii will get more great games on the zelda caliber

luwig: Call of Duty?

yea

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: Wii has very limited hardware, so devs can't make really advanced games

TonicBH: and I think Metroid Prime 3

Nadehhh

TheSmokingManX: @Spencer Again, look at the PS2. The tech is the most outdated, but it's selling damn well to this day. It's not all about the graphics.

Spencer: That's right, Steve.

Althalus: if they had more fps style games for the wii i would keep interested for longer, or prehaps even more sword hack and slash style games

Logan: lol michael

johnjuan: the wii definately has less appeal; what we're seeing is the initial casual shock, wherein non-gamers are gobbling up the system for the usual fare like wii sports. Maybe a few people are making the jump into the hardcore zelda territory, but there is very little staying power in minigame collections. Unless 3rd parties start shifting towards the wii, which is still up in the air, you'll see a gamecube repeat (nintendo 1st party, and not much else)

TonicBH: Steve: It's all up to developers

????†§: Michael forgot its Booze + Flow FTW

grammatoneric: The Wii is more of a social event, it's not about daily gaming. It's about having friends over and just having fun. If you want daily gaming I would say that the 360 is a better option.

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: A Wii is just as powerful as the original XBOX

Rebellion.: Wiiis only somewhat japanese anime.

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: im no fanboy but i love my PS3 due to the fact of the graphics the games comin out and the bluray feature

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: ps3 has more advanced features such as blue-ray and graphics, but these don't fit in a game console

(212th)jamesbond857: with the ps3 and wii you can buyanything, like an external hard drive

Nadehhh

Dont dis anime anime has some kool games associated

.? wMute ?: There's already much talk about how the next Grand Theft Auto is stirpping content because of a lack of storage and bandwith capacity in the 360. Now, imagine the Wii...

RedMage: plus the wii is a great party syste, if youre at college and you have people in your dorm room all the time, the wii is awesome

beto: wtf

Adj the Demonic: Red steel 2, fps multiplayer(coming soon) SSBB: online fighting

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:15] egmshoe: Same question to all of you: Why are we (mag/website editors) not seeing the long-term appeal of the Wii?

Wraith: ya i agree swat, the motion sensor is a bad idea because when your trying to tell people to leave you alone, your also moving around and crap in game, it can seriously screw with your game

[Xfire] Artaxs: Ah-men to the Drunken Wii Tennis -- but the Wii has so much more appeal for me than just a fad.. It has Zelda!

Elliot: all of the freaking mini games

Tolkienfanatic: Zelda hasn't changed in four games

TonicBH: Because we possibly fear of new things?

????†§: Because there isnt one. LOL

Besso: people say "graphics dont matter" well when the time rolls around where graphics AND good gameplay merge, the wii will have nothing

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Ok Wii is not really next gen

[ZiiP]Lazzars: because wii will fail, it can't last after wii sports gets boring

Wraith: zelda is also on the hand helds

The Arbiter: Who knows why the editors aren't seeing a long term appeal? Maybe just because they are older and are definately more hardcore gamers?

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Can't play DVD

[Xfire-TTHS] Pause: It gives you everything it can do all at once; it has no long-term potential, just fun for the moment

????†§: Wii is New-Gen.

beto: no good game out yet

TonicBH: I'm not sure why people aren't seeing the long-term appeal. We thought the DS was gonna flop after the PSP hype

Si: Too many mini-games

[??]Jrod: it's simple, ur "hardcore" and u dont have faith in the wii when it does release it;s "hardcore" games

Wraith: ya

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Even tho last gen of PS2 and Xbox could

johnjuan: that's true; zelda is a stale franchise at this point, held afloat by the mountain of 20-somethings who grew up with the earlier games

TonicBH: and now look at the DS. Twice the figures of the PSP.

Adj the Demonic: the 3rd party gamers are purposely downplaying the wii's potential

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

[14:17] egmshoe: Does Nintendo need to do a better job of keeping its traditional, hardcore audience happy? There seems to be a bit of a backlash against the company by that crowd right now.

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: 360 is best overall for being best designed for gaming, which is really how we should rate the consoles

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: THe PS3 has HOME comin the 360 = HALO 3 and the wii well nothing special ive seen so i think those systems are the besy

Althalus: possibly because the wii has very little potential, what you see is what you get and there realy isnt much to see

TheSmokingManX: Because in this industry, we get to see cutting-edge stuff constantly. Whereas the general public can see something now and think, "Oh cool," mag editors are looking far ahead and it's impossible to say that the Wii will be able to keep up.

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I'm not playing a game that looks like ass. Sometimes bad graphics can actually ruin gameplay

johnjuan: the DS works because it's handheld, though

????†§: No they don't. They are making the noobs happy so they win.

Nadehhh

Besso: its hard to keep your arm stationed while playing the wii for longer than an hour

Besso: at best

.? wMute ?: As bad as the Wii is in terms of it's gaming library, that doesnt' change the fact that Nintendo is making a LOT of money off of it.

beto: \\CoD3 was better then red stell

Spencer: As for what happened to XBox last console war, you've got me. They even had Halo. I guess the loyalty of the consoles also have to do with it.

The Arbiter: Red Steel was a horrible game

kingsimmy: the wii sold 5 times as much as the ps3 in may

johnjuan: that's a discussion for another time

Besso: thasts because cheap people bought the wii

TonicBH: Nintendo needs to tap both markets: The non-gamers (the ones who buy Brain Age and Nintendogs on their DS) and the hardcore (not just Nintendo fans, but fans of the PS2/Xbox with their franchises)

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I really like consoles for racing games

The Arbiter: So far the PS3 in all the months its been out has Outsold the 360

RedMage: Nintendo is doing exactly what it intended to with the wii, making money from the largest audience they can

Adj the Demonic: halo 3 will pull 360 up high, but then it might fall afterwards

[??]Jrod: what about resident evil 4 and umbrella chronicals, i consider that hardcore

Nadehhh

grammatoneric: No cheap people did not buy the wii, people that wanted something different bought the wii

Besso: thank you

[??]Jrod: i agree

kingsimmy: Wii Play is more fun than Wii Sports

TheSmokingManX: @Kingsimmy There's no arguing that the Wii is doing much better than the PS3 today. But in two years, that's where the real battle will be seen.

Wraith: the wii is a good game system, so is the xbox 360, but if the ps3 doesnt drop it's price soon, it will probably fail

Althalus: wii sports is fun but i prefer zelda myself

TonicBH: I seriously need to play the Wii one of these days. All it takes is me bugging the bloody store clerk at Gamestop

Si: that or people who wait for ssbb buy the wii ready

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: after gettin away from the motion sensing wat does the wii offer after??

[ZiiP]Lazzars: if fps is all 360 has then its done for as the pc is much better at that then a console

.? wMute ?: Nintendo fails to realize the importance of sports gaming. Madden, Nba Live, these games are very popular and in terms of gameplay, the popularity doesn't translate well with the Wiimote

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: It's not something different, it's a gimmick with a short lifespan

Besso: plus you could play the PS3 and 360 under your covers before you go to bed

Besso: but not wii

Besso: with the sensor

Nodgene: I suppose the Wii lacks long-term appeal because its key functionality is more of a novelty than anything. Yes, it's neat that it gets you to jump about and do quazi-swordfighting... but one could say that it's just a novelty really.

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PS3 FTW, its more than gaming its a home entertainment system!!! Xbox 360 is still good, has the best online play, Wii is last only thing good is virtual console and controller.

Besso: you need to be facing it

Besso: at all times

Besso: which is annoying at times

kingsimmy: in 1 years PS3 games will be much better

???ax™[?]: i dont like the PS3 jsut bacuse they hype and hype and hype and it comes out and its crap

Spencer: That's what I'm saying, Smoking. How long can you wave your stick at the same-looking games? How long until it becomes old?

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: ^^

????†§: Sport games have more appeal than anything.

[Xfire]?? Haysead ??: I hope

johnjuan: the thing is, the big exclusives on both sides (ps3 and 360) will never switch to nintendo, at least with their underpoiwered console this generation, and thus we're left with the hardcore on one side of the fence, and the casual gamers (with no previous franchise loyalties) on the other side (the wii)

[??]Jrod: The reason why the wii is bought is not b/c the small price tag, but b/c people see th epotential it does have and the fact that it gets you off the couch to play games

.? wMute ?: I don't think any serious sports gamer can picture themselves playing competetively on the Wii, at least not for Madden.

Althalus: ps3 games may be better but the price won't drop very much

beto: watch when there going to a next zelda game on the wii then the wii will pwn all the there syetesms

Besso: they CANT switch to nintendo

:Uk-HaS:Marshy[LR] L4aC: Yeah the ps3 uses about 25% of its graphics capability atm

beto: y

Wraith: true besso

Besso: because the wii has no graphics capability for games like FF XIII and heavenly sword

TonicBH: It's like something Shigeru Miyamoto said

The Arbiter: The thing is that now all the Microsoft Fanboys are on microsoft's train and they won't; no cant switch to try any other console for some reason

johnjuan: nintendo already said that the next zelda was going to be less hardcore than twilight princess

Nadehhh

The Arbiter: I have many ignorant friends who havent even tried the Wii or Ps3 and instantly think it sucks just because they have the 360

Besso: the wii will get old soon, whereas the PS3, and even the 360 have yet to reach their full potential

Althalus: the wii is very much a party console

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: ^^^

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PS3 FTW, its more than gaming its a home entertainment system!!! Xbox 360 is still good, has the best online play, Wii is last only thing good is virtual console and controller.

Spencer: That's because they're ignorant friends, Arbiter.

Besso: the wii reached it's full potential with wii spots

Tolkienfanatic: @Michael: If they were so interested in justified the motion controller, they should have done it with better, A+ games

Besso: enough said

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I've played the Wii

Wraith: ya i agree, the 360 and the pc playing together on multiplayer, that is a very good combination

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: hated it

beto: yea i friend like that too

Spencer: If you prove them wrong, they melt.

[Xfire] Artaxs: and it has Tanks, which takes me back to the good old days of Tron.

????†§: The PS3 online has the best original games.

TonicBH: hmm, Michael just mentioned how much casual games would be nice on the Wii

TonicBH: Nintendo and PopCap need to get a deal going or something!

beto: lol

Elliot: they would work well

kingsimmy: what about virtual console on the Wii ?

mystycs: Howdy Guys

Althalus: i disagree the wii did shine with call of duty 3

Surferdude: i woudl liek to iknw if any one else agrees or disagrees but i think for the wii that if you are lieke older then 18 (legally an adult) then you shoudl be able to get a little like while "gun" (liek a squirt gun) that the wii remot fits into so it can be funner.....obivously its no tthe best idea but its something to think about

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: i have friwends who say the 360 IS THE BEST becuase they have it and the wii beats the PS3 the wii honestly can compare to the 360 or the PS3

(212th)jamesbond857: xbox 360 haas all the wii and ps3 games and more

Logan: Overall I think that the Xbox 360 should get both virtual and regular controllers, so that you could play with a "3mote" instead of a "wiimote"

[ZiiP]Lazzars: its true games like dance dance revolution have lasted a lot longer than they should do, thats not to say direct interaction like that is essentially appealing

[??]Jrod: yeah well when the ps3 and the 360 get soo much "exclusive" stuff, I'll be laughing when it all stops and ill eb playing my Wii with Zelda, samus, SSBB, and others

Elliot: the wii-mote would work well as a mouse

johnjuan: COD3 on the wii was an abomination

The Arbiter: Spencer: I prove them wrong all the time, like that the PS3 and Wii have been outselling the Wii, and tons of other facts, but they just don't seem to take it into their thick heads. It's like Bill Gates brainwashed em or something.

Wraith: popcap already has a deal with steam, why bother, unless... why not port steam over to the consoles

The Arbiter: oustelling the 360*

[ZiiP]Lazzars: as most people that the wii is supposedly intended for will likely get bored with it

RedMage: I dont think nintendo needs to delv online

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: The Wii is a console, it is fair to compare it to the PS3 and XBOX 360

kingsimmy: the WiiMote can be used as a bluetooth mouse

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PS3 FTW, its more than gaming its a home entertainment system!!! Xbox 360 is still good, has the best online play, Wii is last only thing good is virtual console and controller. What I say basically 1st PS3, 2nd Xbox 360, 3rd Wii!!!

TheSmokingManX: @nights IT depends on what you're looing for. I tihnk PSN will have better original content in terms of deep games, since they've got their top-notch devs working on stuff, such as Jaffe. But the 360 has some pretty great Arcade content, and a lot of stuff for the casual gamer.

.? wMute ?: The Wii, IMO, is as appealing as playing with action figures. Sure, it looks fun... but seriously... it's for a different target market than doesn't include myself. As fun as it is playing with action toys... it's not for "older kids" in their late teens, early 20s

johnjuan: um, the ps3 is way behind 360 in sales arbiter

TonicBH: Wraith: It's not exclusive

johnjuan: looks like someone else has been brainwashed

TonicBH: they made Popcap games for Xbox Live Arcade

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: nintendo targets younger gamers Microsoft and sony target the gamers who are older

grammatoneric: Lazzars, at a party it's appealing...and hilariouis

Pilot_51: friend codes never really bothered me too much

????†§: like what smoking?

Besso: thats not always true

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: The 360 came out a year before the PS3

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: >_

Besso: and neverp ick it up again

Besso: casual people want a game they can pick up for 1 hour

Besso: put down

Besso: and leave

Besso: for a day

TheSmokingManX: It'd be a mistake for them to try. 360's Arcade movement with casual games should be the extent of it, because te Wii has an inherent advantage in catering to casual gamers, that they would be crushed if they tried.

kingsimmy: why more people?

[ZiiP]Lazzars: ps3 and 360 are marketed as game machines, casual gamers won't bother with them

-)M?W(-General Ö????: LET THE DEBATE BEGIN

TonicBH: So no, they really don't need to desperately claw the casual unless the Wii starts gaining a massive lead

Si: Yes, they need to focus more on casual gamers, they dont have enough going for them at the moment that way.

mystycs: lol

grammatoneric: If you look at sales you see what reaching out to casual gamers does for a system

Besso: i mean hell, even the GAMECUBE had decent RPG's

Tank_Man: Debate been on

The Arbiter: They definately have something in the making though with games such as littlebig planet and the Home

Althalus: they definately need to reach out more

Spencer: Yeah, I would say they do. Wii's simply too acessible. It's fun to WATCH! Controllers? Naaaaaah.

kingsimmy: there are too may people in here :@

????†§: Halo 3 will do that for microsoft. And Sony will rely on Drake.

johnjuan: if by reaching out to the casuals, you mean lowering the price, sure. if by reaching out to the casuals, you mean putting out filth like cooking mama and raving rabbids, please, for the love of god, no

.? wMute ?: The Casual Market is overrated. Casual, in my opinion, are games like poker websites and Pogo from EA. Casual gaming fans like big names like Halo, Gran Turismo and Madden. Casual Gamers, more often than not, include people that like sports games. And since the 360 and PS3 have many sports game, they don't have to worry.

[MT]Dark Chili: dude, raving rabbids owned

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: I would say yes and no, They need a stronger line of casual games (like the xbox live arcade) (and the cheap games in the ps3 online store like Flow) But they shouldn't go overboard, they need to keep their firm stance in the standard games, because that is what is really keeping them above water with the Wii.

The Arbiter: PS3 definately does need to target more gamers with games such as Home and Little BigPlanet though

TonicBH: myspace: I thought people like Raving Rabbids, though?

Spencer: And how about the price? Casual gamers are going to spend like what, 600 bucks? Not a chance.

{JAF}Gen Renton: rayman sucks

Besso: games like those are good for a few hours a day

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: Halo 3 is all the hype the 360 is gettin wat is the other hype its getting?

Besso: not for hardcore gamers

????†§: Mute there is a Pogo game for the DS lol

TheSmokingManX: I don't think LittleBigPlanet is really something for the casual gamer, really.

:Uk-HaS:Marshy[LR] L4aC: In all fairness the sony kinda gives u something which they think is the best and then dont accept feed back which wat u then get is a console which kinda is not what people want for example PS3

[??]Jrod: raving rabbits was on all three consoles so that can be shut up

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:27] egmshoe: How do they need to communicate better to their audiences?

levy: GAMES ARE COMING OUT FOR THE PS3

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: Xbox could focus on appealing to the casual market, because their XBox Live Arcade service offers some casual titles with it

Althalus: i liek raving rabids on the wii simply because i could interact

.? wMute ?: So unless Sony or Microsft somehow make a deal to offer a poker game deal with Partypoker.com, Pokerstars, pokerroom, etc etc, we'll see

TonicBH: LittleBigPlanet could make or break the system

-)M?W(-General Ö????: Sony is in a pure rut right now, They have a system far ahead of it's time that no one understands and is surely not ready to pay for.

RedMage: Its gonna be difficult for microsoft and sony to reach out to casual gamers, the wii has that market cornered right now and all the "popular"? games on 360 and ps3 are dminated by hardcare gamers, especially online those games arent gonna draw people in when they try and go online and get completely owned in halo and all they hear is "lawl rofl noob lawl"

johnjuan: here's the thing: little big planet looks awesome, but casual gamers aren't going to buy a $600 console to play a game like that

Besso: they are communicating just fine

levy: ALOT OF ILL 1S

TonicBH: Communicate better to their audiences

Tank_Man: better mics

Besso: the audience is just too igorant

Besso: O I LIKE THE WII

????†§: To listen to what the consumer is asking for. lol

Besso: ITS CHEAP

TonicBH: that's a tough question

[Xfire] Artaxs: Cooking Mama is the coolest set of mini-games this side of the new Zelda's fishing game. =)

(QK)urmom: yeah

Spencer: Go into interactivity. Way of the future.

Althalus: they definately need to listen to teh community more

Tank_Man: lol

Besso: I HATE THE PS3

Besso: ITS EXPENSIVE

Devon`D4rk: When it comes down to competitive gaming, it should be the norm to turn to a computer. There really shouldn't be an abundance of competitive games for consoles, because that's just flat out not what they're meant to be. A computer has the capabilities and compatibilities for competitive gaming so much more than any console available. That's why it should be more important to expand technologies within consoles, than produce consoles that have competitive capabilities. That's why the Wii is doing much more for console progress than any other console combined.

Elliot: Nintendo needs to have commercails fro nonfirst party games

[??]Jrod: umm easy, quit showing all the things on the console that doesnt really matter *ahem*Graphics

Tank_Man: Use commercials and makes lan tournys

Besso: the producers are portraying the games just fine

mystycs: I say the wii is baseed twards kids, xbox twards fighting games, and ps3 twards HARD core Gamers

johnjuan: first of all, nintendo needs to ease off on the racist wii ads

TonicBH: I personally think the PS3 needs to start showing ads of gameplay

Si: They seem to be communicating well

Besso: people need to actually take both sides into cnosideration

[ZiiP]Lazzars: again no, their audiences as of now consist of fan boys and girls who seem to create what they want and the companies force feed them what they should want

The Arbiter: MAybe the Ps3 should start marketing the PS3 as a Entertainment System, not just a game system. Bascially, your getting a very cheap blu-ray player, all of the same features as a PS2+PSP combined, and ten times better graphics

[MT]Dark Chili: how about tacos? everyone likes tacos

Spencer: Jrod, graphics matter. They immerse you in the world being shown to you.

[??]Jrod: lol

Nadehhh

[??]Jrod: how?

Joe Asakura™: Graphics are what sells the game

levy: GIVE IT A FEW MORE MONTHS NOTHIN IS GONNA TOUCH PS3

????†§: Yeah wtf with the This Is Living commercials?

Elliot: and sony needs a new campaign entrialy, thopse turn me off the ps3

TonicBH: graphics are one major factor

[??]Jrod: how nadehh

Logan: not me

Nadehhh

johnjuan: the wii ads depict stereotypical asian men, short and using heavy accents, catering to white families then driving off in a tiny car

TonicBH: I play like old Nintendo 64 and NES games, and I play Half-Life which is nearing its tenth anniversary

johnjuan: what the hell kind of offensive garbage is that

Spencer: If it's all stick figures, are you going to enjoy it?

[Xfire] Artaxs: I have a 22" Samsung computer monitor -- it's all the "HD" I need.

Nadehhh

(QK)urmom: yes that is a bad point of the Wii .................

grammatoneric: I say we vote for the Dreamcast to be the best next gen system

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: now how many ppl here experience the FULL ADVANTAGE ofthe graohics/game play?

\\/\\/atkins: the 'fun' of the remote is a selling point now, but might not be years down the line

Besso: some ignorant person is going to see wii sports vs. say MLB the show

Wraith: graphics sell to the weak minded who only think of prettyness and not of the actual game itself

johnjuan: here's an idea: give me a great gameplay, and great graphics

[??]Jrod: lol

Besso: and he's going to say WOW at the show

Tank_Man: A true gamers won't watch ads on TVs they need to go to LANS and maybe show off their skillz

Besso: because it looks nice

Havoc: Ohh, dreamcast is great :P

johnjuan: like the ps3 and 360 are doing

TonicBH: As long as the Wii stops looking like 2001-era PS2

TonicBH: graphic-wise

(QK)urmom: i think graphics help improove gamplay

Rebellion.: graphics are not what makes a game. >_>

levy: PEOPLE ARE GONNA BUY THE CHEAP STUFF

TonicBH: that's fine

^Surfr / Paul: Graphics aint everything GAMEPLAY people

-)M?W(-General Ö????: The wii has almost BEATEN Xbox360 in sales in HALF the time, it speaks for itself

Althalus: its all well adn good saying they ahve a powerfuyll console but unless they have the games to back it up then their not going to sell, sony most definately needs to focus alot more on working with developers to bring out amazing titles that will appeal to not only the hardcore generation but the casual gamers and even those that don't play games

The Arbiter: Wraith, that was a perfect comment as it is so true

The Arbiter: good point there Jrod

Spencer: Damn right, Tonic.

Soldier of the World*: ...

^Surfr / Paul: alright the bigger chunk of people look but dont play

[MT]Dark Chili: 360's got the online thing down to a science, Wii's catching up, PS3 needs some not suck online

-)M?W(-General Ö????: Blu-Ray, lets focus on Blu-Ray

Nadehhh

Althalus: blu-ray is a good concept but terrible in practice

[??]Jrod: lol it'll die soon

[Xfire]?? Haysead ??: In my opinion blu ray is crap.

^Surfr / Paul: its too expensive

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: PS3 are going to play catchup once the price is right

[ZiiP]Lazzars: its doomed

.? wMute ?: Rebellion, Graphics are what sells games. People like stuff that looks cool. Maybe not everyone, but a LARGE amount of people buy games because of looks. It makes no sense and it's completely irrational, but it's the truth. Then again, graphics don't have to be limited towards technical aspect. it can be graphics that look cool from an artistic standpoint, such as Shadow of the Colossus, Jet Grind Radio or Okami

mystycs: Blu ray will defintely win

Nadehhh

(QK)urmom: the online thing is right. Xbox 360 has got it PS3 has started and Wii....well

[MT]Dark Chili: Blu-Ray

Surferdude: if you want the best nextgen consol, mix all 3 together, add motion sensors from the wii w/ the lower price tag, the blu ray or hd dvd's, and the 360 graphics and there you go :-P

Besso: that arent HD

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: The PS3 is already catching up, witth their fall release titles, they are surely going to make a huge leap, if not go above the 360.

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: I currently use my 10 year old 14" CRT TV to play xbox on

????†§: Almost 120 million worldwide

Pilot_51: i don't have an HDTV

Besso: because i dont own a 360/PS3

TonicBH: but how am I gonna get a widescreen TV to fit in the hole of my entertainment center?!

Elliot: i think only the people who bought a system just because would

Tank_Man: Maybe Higher HD liek pcs

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the wii had a lot of hype at launch becuase of the motion sensing now i htink its losing hype now

TonicBH: we have a... 60" HDTV in my living room

Besso: it's human nature to be curious

johnjuan: ps3 and 360 will asssuredly benefit from more hdtv consumption, probably ps3 moreso because of its consumer image

The Arbiter: I agree with Tonic, a HDTV isn't necessary, though that 60" HDTV in my living room isn't bad.

Nadehhh

TonicBH: you gotta know the cords, the configs, etc

[MT]Dark Chili: HDTV looks good, but if the games suck ass, who cares

.? wMute ?: Xbox supports HD-DVD, but the games will not be HD-DVD, they'll still be regular dual-layer DVDs

Devon`D4rk: Well like I said before, graphic-based consoles are going to eventually fail. It only takes so long for us to reach the peak of graphic quality, and we're beginning to aproach it. If we stay leaning towards progressing overall technology, such as the Wii's integration of Virtual Reality into games, then the graphics will adapt themselves as the market grows.

^Surfr / Paul: surely the price / blu ray will get rid of not so fortunate familys!!!!!!!!

Tank_Man: B&W TVS lol

TonicBH: and not every American is that tech savvy

grammatoneric: Most people will have HD by 2008 when they stop broadcasting standard tv signals

Joe Asakura™: I bought my HDTV purely because of my 360, and obviously, to watch high quality TV, but not as much.

UFF_Lethal: LOOL SNAP

Besso: someone who wants to buy a wii wont bother with HDTV's

johnjuan: the games don't "suck ass," though

SteveUK [xfireplus.com]: CRTs are still the best quality TVs out there, LCDs and plasmas don't even get close for clarity and colour

.? wMute ?: Devon, you are wrong. they said the same back when it was N64 vs PS1.

????†§: Its because Mute. Microsoft wasnt thinking ahead

TonicBH: the Xbox 360 using HD DVD for movies is fine. People keep saying "It needs to have the games on it!"

[??]Jrod: good point besso

johnjuan: the 360 already is perceived as having the best library, not the wii

Besso: whereas someone with a 360 or PS3 will buy one, which in turn will make the sales go up

Besso: so the TV companies will side with microsoft/sony

[MT]Dark Chili: well think of it this way... another catwoman game in HD....

-)M?W(-General Ö????: HD.....HD.....HD is fun to play and very realistic...bbut for the price i'lll beg to differ...for HD go XBox but not PS3 HD...It's outrageous

[MT]Dark Chili: ouch

????†§: do you really think there would have been a Core system if they thought?

[??]Jrod: lethal lol, remeber me

TonicBH: But then it would lead to a possible situation with the PSP

^Surfr / Paul: dont bring back history or anyhting today is today

.? wMute ?: agreed, Nights. Microsoft's strategy was to win the console battles early on, not later in the console stage.

* Spencer pokes Jrod.

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: and remember wen PS1 came out they said oits gonna fail look a t wat happened it was the best

The Arbiter: wow I cant wait for Catwoman in HD

TonicBH: where you support a dead media format (UMD)

[??]Jrod: tok

grammatoneric: Yeah the 360 has the best library...but it has also been out the longest

Althalus: in my opinion it doesn't matter if i play it on hd or crt its still the same game, all thats differnt is how sharp the picture is

Dendei: As an HDTV owner myself, I can say that it makes a good enough difference where I feel good about my purchase. I could live with going back to a standard def TV, but it wouldn't be easy

The Arbiter: (jk)

Surferdude: i have 1 hd tv, which i almost nvr use, HD is good and all but honestly its not worth it, i mean rlly who cares if u can see every blade of grass, if you can see the entire pic w/ no real problems (ie you can read the credits) then your fine

[MT]Dark Chili: that better be jk

Tolkienfanatic: Exclusives are EXTREMELY important to some people. Just look at Microsoft, who has been trying to come up with a God of War killer, and then look at Sony, which has been looking for a Halo-killer since it's release

* AOD_Cdt_Aljaud is having trouble reading all of this.

^Surfr / Paul: HD OR NON HD it aint hte best thing ever

Besso: thats the key

The Arbiter: Honestly, how many copies did Catwoman sell? 2?

TonicBH: My current TV, which I play games on? SDTV. With component

* -)M?W(-General Ö???? also pokes JRod

johnjuan: as I said earlier, it's not about which console has been out the longest, it's about what the consumer can go out and buy today

kingsimmy: exclusives are definitely eseential

Besso: nobody can "kill exclusives"

beto: WII IS THE CHEAPES SO THAT MEANS THAT THE IS IS THE BEST SO I WIN

[ZiiP]Lazzars: asside from DVD and games there is not much insentive to buy HDTV atm

TonicBH: I bet if I plugged a system in that was component

TonicBH: I'd be amazed

johnjuan: the casual market doesn't give a rats ass about comparing life cycles

Besso: because exclusives are, as the word suggests EXCLUSIVE

TonicBH: even if it was just the Xbox (not the 360)

RedMage: I love my 360 on HDTV, and i think HD actually makes alot of difference in how the games are experienced as far as just from a graphics standpoint, id rather have good gameplay than graphics, but the HD compatability is really nice

.? wMute ?: Exclusives sell systems.

Besso: gamers with different tastes

????†§: Yeah Tolkien Microsoft wants the GoW killer to be Too Human.

TheSmokingManX: The Core system is essentially worthless today, but the fact that its price can eventually be dropped significantly is exactly why Microsoft created it. That will be the SKU outselling the higher-end one(s) in 5 years or so.

Besso: will buy differwent exclusives

^Surfr / Paul: HD and BLU RAY are to expensive and will take TIME PPL!!!!

[??]Jrod: ouch quit the poking lol, anyways, HD is for more of the gamers who care for the graphics

Besso: and as such buy different consoles

Elliot: but exclusives are dead now

????†§: The Core is the tard pack.

[Xfire] Artaxs: I don't imagine that I'll be seeing Zelda on the 360 or the PS3 any time soon.

TonicBH: The Core is a bit worthless

Devon`D4rk: But now we really are approaching the peak. It's not a sense of technology can't get any better, it's just that it's becoming more of a fad than what's important. Very soon, Nintendo will have the capabilites to adapt the graphic quality of say, a PS3, to their consoles, and Sony/Microsoft will still be in the planning stages of creating technologies that actually progress the console world, and on a larger scale, the gaming world as a whole.

grammatoneric: I love that all the exclusives for the 360 are PC titles

TonicBH: but once a price drop happens, and it goes to $250?

Dendei: I usually see a lot of downplaying on the net about the difference. Really it does add to the experience when the picture clarity is that good

TonicBH: It's more enticing

The Arbiter: Agreed, it'll take some time for people to Transition to Blu-Ray and start buying more DVDs

????†§: Anyone else excited for Warhawk or Uncharted on PS3?

The Arbiter: err Blu Ray DVDs

TonicBH: because then you could either go with Wii or the 360 Core

Besso: by that time the wii will be $50

-)M?W(-General Ö????: The ps3 should be the PS4, it's just to advance and pricy and the moment

[Xfire]?? Haysead ??: Exactly

[??]Jrod: yeah the price drop sure, but think of all the money they lose

TonicBH: Arbiter: Blu-ray is not a DVD, just so you know

johnjuan: compare the wii to the core system; they are both "tard packs" in terms of bundled tech, but the Wii is doing amazingly well

Besso: and games will be 9.95

* The Arbiter WANTS WARHAWK

beto: F-THIS

Nadehhh

beto: is there such thing as HD porn?

^Surfr / Paul: gets average and hardcore gamer

grammatoneric: It seems like this whole thing of HD vs Blu-ray is just Divx vs DVD all over again

The Arbiter: Halo series is very overhyped

Nadehhh

grammatoneric: ah halo...the fun of jumping in slow motion

Elliot: not so much, if it was exclusive, it comes out for a PC or another console in a few months, like GTA3 did

Besso: people are already jealous at games like

^Surfr / Paul: ZELDA , HALO , GTA COULD ALL DO WONDERS

Besso: virtua fighter

Tolkienfanatic: Halo really isn't that great.

Besso: and the show

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: Wal-Mart is teaming up with Toshiba I think, to make cheap HD-DVD players since the HD-DVD format is overall, alot cheaper.

Surferdude: idk about all u but i think its only btwn 360 and wii, the ps3 is too expensive, not enough good games (yes some wil come out but they also r coming out on one of the other 2) and also its just not rlly marketed that great

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: ^^

beto: like halo zelda and im thinking a game for ps3...

Althalus: most people who were planning to buy the ps3 bought a 360 in the end simply because the exclusive game moved to 360

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: That's what I've heard.

.? wMute ?: Exclusives are the MOST important aspect of consoles. They sell the systems, period. Gears of War brought in a LOT of 360 buyers AND a lot of people into the X-Box Live subscription. As opposed to this, PS3 doesn't have any appealing exclusives and thus, they're not selling so well.

Si: very important, could still more important now, exclusive games make people switch consoles from ones that they already have, if they like what they see, they might pay anything for it

Nadehhh

Si: xbox as they open up development far further than other consoles

Joe Asakura™: The Xbox would have done just fine without Halo.

Elliot: it's indie games, not 3rd party

(212th)jamesbond857: you can't do fast sports like dencing with wii

[??]Jrod: idk about that

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: I would say the 360 does the best there, I hate to admit it, but they are doing great there, though the ps2 had (and probably still does) the 360 beat.

^Surfr / Paul: PS3 and XBOX r like ruthless while Nintendo is there for the better good!

[MT]Dark Chili: they have XLA or something so people can make stuff on the 360, Nintendo's doing something like that with the Wii, but PS3 I havent heard crap about that

(212th)jamesbond857: fencing*

TonicBH: oh right, XNA. That thing for Vista and 360. That's definitely a factor for independant game development. Although I haven't heard much about that

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the XBOX would have never done as good if HALO wasnt out for it

Althalus: i agree the 360 is doing alot better then sony and nintendo, their release of indie games over xbox live is bringing some entertainment (if not mindless) to those who cannot afford all the lates games

Surferdude: the wii as i heard was the worst.....they seemed to have the worst communication with the companies and that is y some of the games arent being made for it

.? wMute ?: urmom, Nintendo was big once. Don't get me wrong, but when I was younger, Nintendo was what SOny and Microsoft now are, so let's not underestimate the power of Nintendo in terms of "coming back" to the top

Spencer: I wouldn

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: it wouldnt be where it is today

Joe Asakura™: No, the Xbox would have done just fine.

kingsimmy: xna could bring more ppl to the 360

Besso: nintendo was big

TheSmokingManX: How does the PS2 have the 360 beat? What indie games did you see end up on PS2? By comparison, look at the Xbox Live Arcade and the indie games on there.

grammatoneric: They wouldn't have done as well, sales prove that

Besso: so was sega

^Surfr / Paul: WMUTE GOOD POINT

Adj the Demonic: nintendo knows how its done, they got where they are by walking a different path, and it will help them

[WFCxBYTE]: The reason PS3 has so little cames on it is because it is to compicated for deveopers to make games for it. Many games have been canceled

Besso: fable was on the PC

????†§: So? It was great was it not?

Besso: and the 360

.? wMute ?: Fable was a time-released exclusive, the way Halo was.

[??]Jrod: yeah fable is on the PC

Havoc: fable was a microsoft title though

?ª?ª: Yes, lost chapter went on PC

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: I'd have to say nintendo caters more to independant game making companies, probably because it is cheaper to make games for, as they don't have to use high-end graphics, with HDR and etc..

^Surfr / Paul: i mean NINTENDO VIRTUAL CONSOLE !!!!! CMON thats a bonus

Wraith: there is a free version of xna on the microsoft site that has xbox 360 programming capabilities

Spencer: Oops. I wouldn't imagine Wii would be holding any "big" games. Like yeah, okay, Sonic. But MGS4? Devil may cry? Not on the WIi, that's for sure.

RedMage: Sony is focusing way too much on the "old" companies and thats coming back to bite them in the butt, se Konami taking MGS4 to xbox and giving it better stuff a la MGS2 Substance

Spencer: Yeah, Fable did really well.

TheSmokingManX: @The Arbiter I don't know where you get that 3rd parties don't want to 'ruin their rep' when nearly every studio out there is shifting resources to Wii development.

Besso: Sonic has been burned to the ground

Surferdude: as for sony and microsoft....honestly idk i havent heard any news so i woudl liek tio learn :)

(212th)jamesbond857: sony made many mistakes with ps3

.? wMute ?: meaning, Fable was exclusive to the xbox for like a year before they decided to release it for the PC. Technically, it's considered an exclusive

The Arbiter: Nintendo Virtual Console so far is the best "arcade' system so far

TonicBH: I can think of Project Gotham Racing (and I should, I've been playing the second one on-and-off)

Besso: they have made such a mockery out of sonic

Althalus: i think DMC would be good on the wii

Wraith: lol even though molinue lied about the features

^Surfr / Paul: agreed arbiter

.? wMute ?: MAME32k > Nintendo Virtual Console

Althalus: it would be interesting to see it

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: We are forgetting one of the greatest independants to pop up, Guitar Hero.

Joe Asakura™: DMC wouldn't really work on the Wii.

TonicBH: Devil May Cry or a game of a similar vein

^Surfr / Paul: x

[ZiiP]Lazzars: guitar hero owns

[??]Jrod: i agre as wel arbiter

Tolkienfanatic: And I think it wouldn't, Althalus. I do not want DMC defiled by the wii.

TonicBH: would be interesting to see pulled off on the Wii

Besso: no PS3/360 game would work on the wii

Besso: thats why CoD 3 was awful

^Surfr / Paul: Nah would work on Wii DMC IS norm contrller game

[WFCxBYTE]: Guitar hero is a good game

[MT]Dark Chili: Guitar hero.. the spark of many RL guitarists and GH guitarists

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: Ah, how could I have forgotten Guitar Hero :|

^Surfr / Paul: COD3 WAS shocking

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: next year there are alot of GREAT games coming out wen they do wit the awesome graphics the PS3 will murder the others

Besso: the wii has no graphic capability to play PS3/360 games

^Surfr / Paul: on wii

TonicBH: Besso: I heard different

Besso: you can have graphics as well as gameplay on the PS3 and 360

[??]Jrod: grahpic do nothing except make u go "ooooo ahhhhh"

S.W.A.T.: 360 best multi

Besso: but not the wii

Havoc: You can have a beutiful game that sucks ass and noone buys it

[ZiiP]Lazzars: these days you need graphics to sell, kiddies like nice expolsions

Besso: which is why wii will die out soon

^Surfr / Paul: dexc

Tolkienfanatic: Calling all Cars was pretty indie...

Wraith: i agree arbiter

.? wMute ?: I love River City Ransom. it has great gameplay. But when it comes to how I spend my time, I want to play a game that looks good

[ZiiP]Lazzars: and blood effects =D

Surferdude: just wondering if any1 agrees but i think the the nextgen is the wii with out a doubt because it brought somethign new to the table, it has more capiblity to get into the game, with the technology its closer to having the games you see in movies that you woudl nvr think is possible in or time

Althalus: personaly i couldnt care less about graphics, to me its all about gameplay and storyline, without those two its not a game its just a sequence of pretty lights

????†§: Graphics are the frist thing people see when they look at a game. Graphics are important.

The Arbiter: I'd rather play a game with amazing game experience, than a crappy game that makes me "feel like im there"

[MT]Dark Chili: The Wii is fun, but if some games look like ass then f*** it, the infamous half a bridge in the Spiderman 3 game....

Devon`D4rk: I agree Adj Demonic. Nintendo has always set the standard for progression in console-related technology, and they're one of, if not the most sucessful name brand when it comes to that. The N64 was a huge success, as well as the first Nintendo. The Gamecube wasn't the kind of success that they intended, for the sole reason that it was much too much like the N64. It had a different controller, maybe a bit better technology, and better wireless capabilites, but really it wasn't too much different. With the Wii's absolute bombshell difference in technology from the 64 and GC, it's really a sense of Nintendo doing what's really the best for consoles all together.

Havoc: Anyone remember Black?

.? wMute ?: In terms of Sports Games, Graphics help make the gaming experience much greater

johnjuan: yes, it was by jaffe, but it was made on a tiny budget, and could easily have been made by a no-name dev house

grammatoneric: that's just not true. The wii isn't as powerful as the other two but at this point there is nothing on the PS3 that actually looks better than the other two systems anyway

TonicBH: graphics are pretty, not as important. Gameplay is most important. I'd rather play a good-play crappy-looking game than a pretty-looking crappy-playing game

(212th)jamesbond857: if game play is so important, thatn why make newer game consels

Joe Asakura™: The younger generation of people at this time buy games because of what they look like!

Besso: the wii has no games that last longer than a few days

RedMage: yeah it doesnt take a genius to say that xbox live is greater than ps3 online or wii online

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: If games went back to 12bit you would care about graphics.

^Surfr / Paul: Graphics DO GET HOLD of hte AVERAGE gamer

Nadehhh

Si: Grahphics pull people to a game, the gameplay keeps them with it.

????†§: myspace if it was made by a no name you think Calling All Cars would have sold as well?

[??]Jrod: yeah too bad thats the only things its good at

^Surfr / Paul: si gd point

TheSmokingManX: Uhm, Motorstorm looks better than anything on Wii. You can't argue against that.

.? wMute ?: It's one thing seeing people that look people play football. it's another when the virtual athletes LOOK like their real life comparison, playing in a stadium full of people that looks real.

[WFCxBYTE]: PS3 just needs to get some good games

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: most have a 360 also cuz some were impatient and didnt wait for the other consoles now there stuck wit those consoles

|)/\\|?7# )(0|)!v5: does anyone care about HD, it look that different to me

[Xfire] Artaxs: it's really too bad that XBL for PC Vista is a crap.

The Arbiter: Motorstorm is a great game imo

Besso: madden was awful for the wii

Tolkienfanatic: Currently... 360 has the best online. But I would certainly love for Sony to get their act together. I think Little Big Planet is gonna light a fire.

Besso: compared to PS3 and 360

.? wMute ?: it was, besso

[ZiiP]Lazzars: a new gamer will say "hey that looks cool" when looking at the graphics and buy that insted of the crappy looking one

Besso: thank you

^Surfr / Paul: ah yes WMUTE but what if they move like rtards and dont runo r anything ey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AOD_Tr_LOTM: SmokingMan you must be high, Wii isn't capable of looking like motorstorm

????†§: XBL on Vista is a joke

johnjuan: we're not talking about sales of indie games, only the empowerment each company is giving to the small developers

[WFCxBYTE]: Motostorm is one game

Spencer: Agreed with Mute...

Althalus: the 360 while good is incredibly unreliable

 

[Xfire] SDaria: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:44] egmshoe: What about web browsing, Mii parades, Everybody Votes (or is it Everyone Votes? I forget), streaming movies, online stores, etc.

Devon`D4rk: Graphic quality is going to progress no matter what, it should be more important to develop the technology of the user-interaction system instead.

TonicBH: Windows Live = massive failure

????†§: I would rather use Xfire ;)

Joe Asakura™: PC Vista isn't crap, it's just new. All new things need adjusting to make them successful.

.? wMute ?: that's why Wii is not for sports gamers, and that's because Wii will lose the console battle: because of lack of appeal towards Sports gamers, who comprise a large amiunt of casual gamers

grammatoneric: Graphics pull hardcore gamers to a game. Innovation pulls in everyone else. Hence the success of the Wii.

johnjuan: so far, both sony and microsoft have provided platforms of distribution for smaller, cheaper content, whereas nintendo has done nothing of the sort

Besso: who cares about all that stuff

The Arbiter: Wii has alot of great features going for it so far

Havoc: Motorstorm was sonys biggest mistake, they didn't release it with the system, if they would have, things probably would've been different for the PS3

TonicBH: I personally find anything that isn't "playing games" a bit superfluous, no matter what it is

[MT]Dark Chili: Anyone play Halo 2 on vista..... suck... graphics look 3 years old... but the achievements..... damn

Althalus: i would say wii is best for online browsing

Besso: thats an extra load of garbage to make the wii look good

^Surfr / Paul: Wii supports YOUTUBE ... V GOOD

[??]Jrod: ok what will happen when graphics reach it's peak, what will sony or microsoft do?

RedMage: microsoft was the smartest company with xbox live when it came out and they clearly know what theyre doing in keeping live fresh and fun with new apps and features and allowing publishes the ability to make their games just that much better online

[Xfire] Artaxs: I mean, I'm not going to pay $50 a year, or even $5, for functionality that a program like Xfire gives PC Gamers for free.

TonicBH: I might get a kick out of somet the things the Wii does like the Mii Channel and Everybody Votes

[MT]Dark Chili: so does a modded Xbox 1

Wraith: ya

The Arbiter: Artaxs good point

Althalus: i think microsoft rushed the 360

Wraith: same here artaxs

????†§: Yeah Art thats how it fails

.? wMute ?: Web Browsing is for PCs, not for consoles. It's nothing more than extra topping or seasoning. the real meat is in the game. IMO, Web browsing on consoles is irrelevent.

Devon`D4rk: Wii has done much more for web-browsing than any other console. Just another reason that the Wii is doing more with the rise in technological advances than any other console developer.

kingsimmy: yeo

johnjuan: web browsing is a futile exercise on the wii; it needs HD to make it bearable

Nodgene: Great... if you don't have a computer. But who doesn't have that? Or if you have your system rigged upto a massive home enterainmnt system.

Tank_Man: Again If they wanna go online they will use pc

Besso: seriously

[WFCxBYTE]: PC does own all but this is a CONSOLE debate

Tolkienfanatic: Again with the gimmicks. Which is what Miis and Everybody Votes are...

Besso: the wii mote is too clumsy

RedMage: and that stuff doesnt count as online gameplay, its nice to download and web brows on wii but i wouldnt consider that helping the online play

johnjuan: even so, anyone who has a Wii will have a computer, so why not just use that

The Arbiter: Good thing my dad pays for my Windows/Xbox Live

????†§: on the 360 microsoft owns everything that goes in and out of it

Havoc: the Wii isn't to be classified in the same group as 360 and PS3, why can't people understand that

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the new updates for the OS3 coming are amaxing and will make the features for the system 20 times better

Besso: and most TV's have such a LOW resolution

Besso: the internet is so huge

TonicBH: I definitely agree with wMute. I've heard dumb arguments against the 360 that it doesn't have Internet Explorer

Tank_Man: and why have internet for Wii but no online play

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: PS3*

[ZiiP]Lazzars: yea, xfire is good, though i can't see there being a console version

Surferdude: im not saying the wii games are good but i thought this is more about the nexgen style gaming consol and the other 2 besides the wii just have the same old stuff....better graphics thats about it, the wii has the motion which is new and the online channels that you can do basically anything....even get the weather

grammatoneric: Hey wan't xfire in talks with sony to provide the online chat for the PS3? What ever happened with that?

Besso: it takes so long to even read the page

TheSmokingManX: I think it's all just a distraction. It's a nice way to make it look like you have more, and I'm sure plenty of people use things like the Everybody Votes Channel. But they're essentially worthless -- think about if it was on 360 or PS3. I push left or right on my analog stick, and hit A. Nobody would use that; it's just another thing that takes advantage of the Wiimote.

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: Online stores are very useful, all online money spenders are, and downloadable trailers etc. make a good seller for sponsorships, and I enjoy not having to bother leaving my ps3 to have to check my email.

Nadehhh

[MT]Dark Chili: they need to have better PC to console connectivity

[WFCxBYTE]: true

^Surfr / Paul: that would be a bonus

Spencer: Gasp. Due to the "question room", we can actually debate now.

^Surfr / Paul: lol

TonicBH: shock and awe

Havoc: That's what microsoft is gunning for with Vista

[MT]Dark Chili: sweet

Spencer: I really feel interactivity is the future for consoles.

Elliot: yea

^Surfr / Paul: but most people has xp

Joe Asakura™: Of course

[MT]Dark Chili: brain powered consoles

Besso: you could be right spencer

Joe Asakura™: Interactivity is progressively getting better

[WFCxBYTE]: Microsoft just made halo 2 for vista only to boost vista's sales

Elliot: Not that far

(QK)urmom: i think that might be right for the next gen

[MT]Dark Chili: no more carpel tunnel

Besso: thats why the PS3 has motion sensor

^Surfr / Paul: Dark Chill yer

Besso: the 360 lacks any interactivity though

Spencer: I mean, physical interaction, of course.

Besso: which is why it is doomed to be the shadow of the PS3

TonicBH: Vista is one massive fall down a stairs. Yes, not a step backwards, a falling down a stairwell

kingsimmy: the ps3 motion sensing is lame

Elliot: yes it is

TheSmokingManX: Thinking Halo 2 would boost Vista sales was unimaginably ignorant. Halo has little appeal to people who play PC FPSs.

TonicBH: interactivity isn't that important

[WFCxBYTE]: well theres always DDR for 360

Joe Asakura™: Depends what you mean by interactivity.

Besso: but its still SOMEING

[MT]Dark Chili: Vista lags ass for me and I have a damn ood comp

TonicBH: the motion sensing looks a little weird

[MT]Dark Chili: good*

Besso: whereas the 360 has nothing

Joe Asakura™: It's a work in progress, Chilli

Havoc: Then your just going on specultion and haven't used it ;)

[??]Jrod: Vista is not doing so well

The Arbiter: Personally I have Halo 2 Vista and my PC runs great

TonicBH: because it's tacked on motion sensing on a dual shock

Havoc: I'm on vista right now

The Arbiter: and I have a 6800 and 2 GB ram

TonicBH: as opposed the Wii which is built for that

Spencer: Lol, I don't know about "ignorant" but I think that's just kinda crazy thinking, Smoke.

Besso: vista will be good in several monoths

^Surfr / Paul: ahh yes 360 has nothing but maybe hte best designed controller ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Tank_Man: nothing runs on vista

Spencer: Havoc, isn't XFire sexy in Vista?

Besso: after they work out the bugs

Havoc: never had any problems with it, sure, 1-2 programs can't work, but it's not important

The Arbiter: exactly

[MT]Dark Chili: yeah, cause Halo 2 is 3 years old, still runs DX9, all it is good for is upping your gamerscore

Tolkienfanatic: I won't be getting Vista until some good DX10 games are out

Elliot: The 360 controller is badly desigened in some areas

Havoc: Nah, it's the same as in XP, and I can actually shut off all sounds to it ;)

The Arbiter: I don't see why there so many Vista bashers

[WFCxBYTE]: Wii gets boring after a while

Besso: how'd we get into vista

Besso: lol

Elliot: halo 2

Besso: was tihs a question

Havoc: Because they are afraid of upgrading :P

johnjuan: haha

johnjuan: honestly

[MT]Dark Chili: cause it lags like ass, it's shotty,

[??]Jrod: and why is that

The Arbiter: Maybe just like the PS3: Many people are too poor to afford it and instantly think it sucks

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Vista is buggy right now

[MT]Dark Chili: I have upgraded, used it for like a month, switched back to XP

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: They will fix it

Havoc: No, it isn't

TonicBH: I don't think the PS3 sucks

^Surfr / Paul: No its not that

Joe Asakura™: Vista is new, new things are buggy!

Althalus: it does the long term playability fo the wii isn't very good, they would need to pump out new games very fast to keep people interested

Spencer: Eh? Vista's not 600 dollars, Arbiter. xD

Havoc: Mine has no problems

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Yes wait ill link you

Joe Asakura™: XP was buggy when that was released.

TheSmokingManX: @Spencer I really do think that it was ignorant. Halo 1 never sold well, and talking to ANY hardcore PC FPS player, they'll all knock Halo. Hell, I know people that are wowed by Valhalla in the Halo 3 beta because of the water effects, and you'll have PC guys point out that they've had it for years. It's also why Shadowrun is going to sell very, very poorly on PC.

Havoc: What's buggy is the lazy ass companies that won't make drivers

Spencer: In fact they're basically giving it away.

johnjuan: vista is in the same state as XP was in its infancy; eventually, the majority of people using PCs will switch

[MT]Dark Chili: I don'

Elliot: Vista is not buggy, but the gfx drivers suck

.? wMute ?: In terms of microtransactions, I would rather pay an extra 5-10$ on the game right from the start and get free stuff, than go through the hassle of paying 2-3$ everytime, even if it means picking and choosing what I want

Rebellion.: Actually, I thought that Halo sold pretty wel.

Spencer: With that Genuine Advantage stuff, you can get it for like 90 bucks.

TonicBH: Halo sold well... on the Xbox

[??]Jrod: Vista was a mistake

Rebellion.: Im not sure, though. o.o

[MT]Dark Chili: I don't doubt that Vista will own, all it needs is some actual support and drivers

TonicBH: 5 million, the sequel sold 8 million

[ZiiP]Lazzars: halo graphics are just a watered down HL2

The Arbiter: Does anybody here like the Idea that Vista can play with Xbox 360 in Shadowrun

TonicBH: hell, Halo 2 Xbox sold 2 million on it's FIRST DAY.

[WFCxBYTE]: Vista is afailure just like PS3

Besso: wow

Besso: low blow

Besso: the PS3 and vista are by no means failurues

TheSmokingManX: @Tonic I was referring to Halo on the PC.

Besso: they're just works in progress

^Surfr / Paul: Yes its good idea arbiter but is it much hassle???!?!?!?!?

Joe Asakura™: Vista is not a failure...

The Arbiter: and You base this on what WFC?

TonicBH: Halo PC, yeah, it was too late

Althalus: vista is far from a failure

The Arbiter: Both are a work in progress just getting on their feet

.? wMute ?: How can Vista be a failure if it's only been out for a few months?

[WFCxBYTE]: I base that on the SALES

Besso: give vista and PS3 till the end of the summer

TonicBH: should've came out months after

Spencer: Give Vista time for a service pack, and PS3 for a price drop.

[??]Jrod: i wouldnt say they are failures

????†§: It cant mute. Just like the PS3 isnt.

TonicBH: or a simultaneous release, it was going against games like Call of Duty that year

.? wMute ?: failure is based on years of judging, not on months

[MT]Dark Chili: both PS3 and Vista have the potential to be kickass, it just needs time to work, the nonly OS I thought sucked was ME

Si: theyre not failures, just not that popular for what gamers want and can have

^Surfr / Paul: ONCE PPL BUY NEW PCS VISTA WILL BE BASIC CULTURE

Besso: THANK YOU MUTE

[MT]Dark Chili: that was crap

[??]Jrod: Vista need to work it out to get to where it works good

Spencer: As I said (but was spammed out), the console war is not a year long. It's 3-4 years long.

johnjuan: true, besso, both vista and ps3 are on an upward climb from this point forward. The difference is, the ps3 is competing against the 360 and Wii at a time when they are both doing relatively well, whereas vista is competing against XP, another microsoft product

The Arbiter: Excellent Point Chili

Spencer: (or more!)

Besso: but its too bad

.? wMute ?: agreed, Spencer

Besso: people need something to demeanor

TonicBH: Vista, Wii, PS3 are NOT FAILURES. It is WAY too early to tell

Besso: to make themselves look good

Althalus: the console war started with the release of the xbox

Besso: so they cant wait that long

Wraith: ya i agree tonic

[??]Jrod: yeah give it a few years at least

The Arbiter: It took 360 a year to get to where it is now

Surferdude: in your opion.....woudl you agree that the wii is truly the only nexgen consol because it brings new things to the table, liek the motion sensitive controllers, internet channels thats not just to do with games, while the others just have the same online, and better graphics....wat do you think?...also for the wii it is fully backward scompatible and can even wirelessly link with the nintendo handheld (ds)

TheSmokingManX: I don't think Shadowrun's cross-platform play is all that great. The PC version is gimped to compensate for the inadequacies of playing FPSs on a console. And I'm not knocking console FPSs; I've played 3500 games of Halo 2, and most every FPS I play is on a console.

Tolkienfanatic: Wii is a failure. PS3 and Vista are not.

The Arbiter: atleast give the PS3 and Wii that

? wMute ?: Console Wars are not determined within a year or two, nor is a game system's failure deemed so after only 6-7 months of existence

Tank_Man: u cant hax on xonsoles u no?

Tank_Man: lol

Besso: wii isn't next-gen

Besso: thats wrong termonology

^Surfr / Paul: yer agreed arbiter

johnjuan: it's "new gen"

[ZiiP]Lazzars: its really, as everyone has pointed out, too early too tell. PS3 will catch up eventually its just a matter of time

Joe Asakura™: It's going to take a lot longer for the PS3 to get to where the 360 is now.

Besso: yes

Besso: its new-gen

Besso: not next-gen

Si: depends how you define next/new gen

[Xfire] Artaxs: When it comes to cross-platform play, why is it that Square Enix can get their FFXI MMO running on PC, PS2, and the 360 (with everyone on the same servers) and noone else can get their act together to make such a thing possible in their online games?

[MT]Dark Chili: Wii is a Gamecube with motion sensors

Althalus: surfer i disagree because the ps3 has similar interactivity in teh sense that the controllers are motion sensitive

Besso: next-gen implies new graphics

^Surfr / Paul: give them time adn allo will do good

[MT]Dark Chili: it's still fun as hell though

Tank_Man: Wii is great if you wanna lose weight

Surferdude: well the debate is about next gen thats y im saying it

Besso: new-gen implies new ways to play games

The Arbiter: lol @ tankman

Joe Asakura™: The PS3 controller sucks.

[WFCxBYTE]: the Wii started another part of the console wars "the controller"

[MT]Dark Chili: yes it does

Si: hmm, fair point

Havoc: No, next-gen only implies it has next-gen tech

johnjuan: dude, the sixaxis is leagues behind the wii mote in terms of functionality

The Arbiter: How can you say the Ps3 controller sucks?

TonicBH: all three consoles are "current-gen"

Besso: PS3 controller is wireless

Besso: and light

Besso: it does not usck

The Arbiter: Its the same as the PS2!

Besso: by any means

TonicBH: "next-gen" refers to "next version of consoles"

Havoc: motion sensivite, wireless

Besso: AND before you say it

(212th)jamesbond857: so is th e360's controller

[ZiiP]Lazzars: they are selling ps3 controlers that are both the bannana and the old design

Joe Asakura™: It has sixaxis, oooo big woop, it doesn't even have vibration, and that's BASIC!

TonicBH: technology is irrelevant

johnjuan: the ps3 controller is an upgraded dual shock, of course it doesn't suck

Besso: they're working on vibration

Tolkienfanatic: Because Square Enix is just a bunch of geniuses like that. Those guys are smart.

The Arbiter: Except it's wireless and has Motion sensing

Althalus: all 3 consoles have their good points and their bad poinrs

[MT]Dark Chili: the sixaxis... motion sensoring in a dualshock w/o shock... pissed me off the first time I tried to play motorstorm

Spencer: Artaxs, it could be lack of a wanting to. I'm not thinking it's really "easy" to port an MMO over, let's not forget security.

[WFCxBYTE]: 360 contoleer is a BIG improvement

kingsimmy: sixaxis is lame

TonicBH: the PS3's SIXAXIS not having rumble = big mistake

Devon`D4rk: Just like the PS3, Vista has too many kinks for people to really attract themselves to it. With the technologies of the PS3, in fact, acceptance thereof will definately soar the second that the inflation of the price begins to recede. It's got a great game coming out very soon, being GTA4, which will make it a popular console overall, and will likewise have better graphics, equal multiplayer accesibility, so therefore will be just as succesful.

[ZiiP]Lazzars: and i think the old design ps2 controler is miles bettet than the xbox one

Besso: compared to the crappy xbox controller

Besso: yes

Joe Asakura™: Yeah, they're WORKING on vibration. It was standard years ago, it should be standard now!

The Arbiter: Unfortunately that is true

^Surfr / Paul: TECHNOLOGY IS EVERYTHIGN caus if blu ray doesnt do well ps3 will suffer a bit!!!!

Besso: the 360 controller is an improvement

johnjuan: I'd like to see all 3 makers go with rumble AND motion sensing in a limited fashion, like sony is doing with the sixaxis (sans rumble, I mean)

???ax™[?]: the PS3 controller in my opeingion is a last minute idea to steal nintendo's idea.!

[??]Jrod: exactly

TonicBH: I don't mind the Xbox controller

The Arbiter: But Rumble isn't necessary to play a game

Si: The PS3 controller should have has rumble/vibration features

Besso: it WILL

Besso: thats the thing

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: I think Sony made a VERY stupid mistake for dropping out rumble features in the controllers

Tank_Man: I'm actually thinking about geting fit from the Wii

TonicBH: or the dual shock

Joe Asakura™: Rumble isn't necessary, no, but it's the norm.

grammatoneric: It is odd that they are selling maps that you get for free if you have the PC version of the game compared to the Xbox version. Perhaps they feel like console gamers don't know any better.

[??]Jrod: the ps3 shouldnt have copied the Wii

Joe Asakura™: Until Sony messed the norm up

* Spencer senses the spam return.

Besso: sony just got into a fight with the compan that makes their rumble

^Surfr / Paul: Tank man its hard to do that

[WFCxBYTE]: Rumble is nessesary

Besso: spencer you're making me cry on the inside

.? wMute ?: Dreamcast controller was the best, IMO. Then again, I can't ever picture myself playing Madden on anything other than the Dual-Shock analog

Althalus: the original xbox controllers were too bulky microsoft definately made a good hit with their new ones

Tank_Man: no it aint Wii would liek to excerise

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:54] egmshoe: myspace-it really works!: Obviously, the Wii is bringing in many non-gamers and casual gamers. The question is, will this market make the jump to hardcore, in order to facilitate the simultaneous existance of something like Bioshock and Wario Ware, or will we see a slow transition of 3rd parties over to more casual development for the Wii (and future Wii-like systems)?

AOD_Cdt_Aljaud: Rumble just adds to the gameplay so much, it practically is a neccesity now.

TonicBH: the Dreamcast controller made my right index finger hurt

[WFCxBYTE]: the black controleers are sweeeeeeeeeeeet

Spencer: I'm sorry, Besso. It's just so hard to talk seriously if you're just spammed out.

Joe Asakura™: You may think rumble isn't all that great, but without it, games aren't the same. It's the little differences that count.

johnjuan: snaps

Elliot: not going to happen

Besso: agreed =/

The Arbiter: lol congrats Myspace

^Surfr / Paul: IT WILL STAY AS A MIXTURE

TonicBH: I honestly don't think casual gamers are gonna be playing Halo, Mario Galaxy or whatever PS3 game there are

Joe Asakura™: Nice caps. -_-

johnjuan: thank you, thank you

TonicBH: there would be too much for them to comprehend it

The Arbiter: anyways, I think the Wii is gonna stay casual

Besso: nintendo will never make it up to hardcore

[MT]Dark Chili: the Wii's already hacked, I wouldn't doubt that within the year there's gonna be some homebrew up

Tolkienfanatic: As said before, a person playing WarioWare is not likely to run out and pickup Gears or MGS

Besso: for one reason only

Tank_Man: noo

Devon`D4rk: TonicBH, you seem to forget that if it weren't for technology, there would be very little to say about any of these consoles. If it weren't for technology, then the best console, most popular, would probably still be the N64. However, technology is the most important integration when developing a new console. It is of extraordinary importance to integrate better technologies into consoles overall.

Besso: the hardcore people who like nintendo

Althalus: its all about balance, if they go all out one way or another they will crash

Besso: like nintendo

Besso: enough said

Spencer: Yeah, 3rd party for the Wii is not going to happen. I'm thinking manufacturers will just leave it to Nintendo.

Phoenix: i like warioware

^Surfr / Paul: ps3 xbox hardcoe, wii 3rd party

Besso: mario was good on the NES

Phoenix: and played and own all MGS

Besso: zelda was good on the 64

The Arbiter: Mario is still good on the NES

[WFCxBYTE]: Wii is fun for partys

TonicBH: technology is important, yes. But I think we're going a bit too fast sometimes, Devon`D4rk

Besso: yeah i know it is

TheSmokingManX: I think because of the large number of gamers being brought in, you'll get some. Maybe on Wii you'll get some willing to jump into Mario Galaxy. But overall, it's not going to be a tremendous, Wii Play/Sports -> Halo/Resistance/Killzone/Forza transition.

The Arbiter: Same here Phoenix

Besso: i didnt mean like that

Joe Asakura™: Phoenix, we don't care about your skill on MGS>

The Arbiter: NOt all MGS's were good that....

[??]Jrod: ok in your opinion, what target audience is each console geared for and why?

.? wMute ?: Although, if there's one game that made me wanna buy a Gamecube, it's Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes.

[ZiiP]Lazzars: back in the day nintendoo could easily dominate, they lost their edge and now they lag behind

The Arbiter: *cough Acid Cough*

TonicBH: I have a gut feeling they might jump to a game that's easy for casual gamers but complex for hardcore games

Besso: the first MG solid was good

Besso: except for hiding in the box the entire time

^Surfr / Paul: lol

[WFCxBYTE]: all MG's were good

Besso: if i recall that was the first game that invented tripping infared wires with a cigarrette

^Surfr / Paul: ye

The Arbiter: MGS Portable Ops was good beacuse of Online

[MT]Dark Chili: mind games.... no more carpel tunnel

Tank_Man: whats the question i was picking my nose

TonicBH: gamers*. For some reason I think Elite Beat Agents is an example of the "casual/hardcore" crowd

Besso: ...and the last

Besso: lol

[ZiiP]Lazzars: lol, cardboard box camo

The Arbiter: wasn't there a console version of MGS with Online

TonicBH: easy to play, difficult to master.

Besso: elite beta agents was GOOD

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: The PS3 would be selling better only if they could make better games and get them out there

Besso: so was trauma center

Besso: on the DS

TonicBH: Arbiter: Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence

Besso: not on the wii

.? wMute ?: yeah, MGS3: subsistence,

???ax™[?]: portible ops was one of my favorte games period!

Tank_Man: GRAMMER check

Joe Asakura™: Subsistence has online for the PS2

grammatoneric: IT had nothing on the first Metal Gear. where you had to wait for guards to feel asleep

The Arbiter: oh ok thanks

[WFCxBYTE]: The new one wouldbe a great addition for the PS3 IF it stays exclusive

[ZiiP]Lazzars: mgs3 substinance had online

[MT]Dark Chili: do you think that snake in SSBB is a good idea?

TonicBH: the online shut down a month or so back though :(

[MT]Dark Chili: I do

The Arbiter: might have to go check that out

johnjuan: I'm afraid of games becoming so mainstream that us hardcore gamers won't get our MGS4s and our FF13s and our Halo 3s - the ideal situation is a universal broadening of all segments of the market, rather than a refocusing towards the casual

Tank_Man: agreed somewhat

[??]Jrod: whats funny is that most of the games that have been mentioned (MG, FF, etc) all started on Nintendo consoles

Besso: the way it's looking now

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:56] egmshoe: TonicBH: With the cross-platform compatibility between Vista and 360, and with the mixed bag that was Shadowrun, you think other developers will try the cross-platform compatibility again?

Besso: all consoles are just trying to

johnjuan: hopefully, the publishers won't do drastic things like shifting developers completely over to Wii

Besso: port one game after another

Devon`D4rk: When it comes to competitive gaming, PC should be the only truly all-around acceptable option. The control system is so much better for the PC than any of the consoles combined. It is very rarely considered that console games were never really developed for online play until around the PS2, and very rarely at that. It is important to understand that there will always be a gap between console gamers and PC gamers. PC gamers will always lean towards PC games, and console gamers will rarely want to buy a 1500$ computer to play games that they think are equal to their console games.

Besso: thats the same as other consoles

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: the PS3 needs games the xbox has HALo we need a great exclusive to get the system to take off good

Althalus: in my opinion their rushing games and focusing too much on graphics

Besso: but with a different name

The Arbiter: Hopefully their start going Cross Platform

Tank_Man: maybe

TonicBH: Do I think cross-platform will work? Shadowrun was supposed to be the flagship. It was a dud

[??]Jrod: yes which is why graphics are bad bad bad

The Arbiter: I wanna see a PS3 vs 360 game to prove which console is better :D

TonicBH: Maybe with other games like Unreal Tournament 3

.? wMute ?: Shadowrun would've been better received if it was more like Shadowrun on the Sega Genesis

Besso: cross platform compatability didnt really fly so well

Althalus: more than likely, if they think it will sell then they are very likely to follow it and join the club

[MT]Dark Chili: if it gets cross platform, then why will we need all these platforms?

Besso: they COULD try it again

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: Most likely, the ps3 is compatible with the PSP and surely they will try to make more things of that sort.

Tank_Man: its most likely no

????†§: Shadowrun would have sold over 500k easily at 30$.

TonicBH: I heard Valve wants to do cross-compatbility between 360-PC owners

[ZiiP]Lazzars: how can they? MS won't let anymore get in on the PS, and none of the other companies will share their market with eachother

Besso: whether it works or not is not for any of us to say

TonicBH: 360 vs PS3 owners will never happen. Ever.

Joe Asakura™: I think other developers WILL try the new Vista/360 integration, but only the big names such as EA. It is a scary thing for other developers, and they need to see how it can be done well before they start mass producing games that have compatibility.

grammatoneric: We don't need them all, we just need our PCs

[??]Jrod: well the DS will be compatible with the Wii

The Arbiter: Shadowrun is 35.99 at Circuit City here in Mass

TheSmokingManX: Yes, they'll continue to do it. You'll see a few FPSs, but I think it'll be other genres seeing it. MMOs, and other things that aren't entirely dependant upon mouse movement, like FPSs are, will see cross-platform play.

johnjuan: the way shadowrun does cross-platform play, with pc players being handicapped, it certainly won't catch on

Tolkienfanatic: I really think that the only feasible form of cross-compatibility between games would be between the PS3 and the 360. Certainly it wouldn't be the Wii, and I really fail to see why they would want to sync a console shooter with its PC brother. Mouse users will own pad users every time.

[WFCxBYTE]: it wont catch on

[WFCxBYTE]: PC owners would have an advantage

TonicBH: Maybe it needs to not be a shooter

Joe Asakura™: It will catch on, maybe a bit longer than other things hav.e

[ZiiP]Lazzars: MS can lock down XP and vista so that only the 360 can connect to them

johnjuan: pc players will never accept a built-in handicap against the speed of mouse/kb

dzjepp: I think they will. But it depends how far Microsoft wants to push Games 4 Windows Live. Obviously the service will not be succesfull with just 3 games. I think we wil see more games next year cross-platform and by the time the new windows rolls out probably most games will feature this brand (if G4WL is still alive by then)

[Xfire] Artaxs: It's just silly that console players don't have to aim.

TonicBH: I think the cross-platform could've worked with maybe an RTS

TonicBH: like if EA did that with Command & Conquer 3

Tank_Man: my mom says im special

Si: its just another selling thing for games i think, unless it worked well

Besso: NO

TonicBH: could've worked

Besso: no i t oculdnt

Besso: the 360 proved that

Besso: RTS doesnt work on consoles

The Arbiter: Hopefully more Achievements will start coming to the PC versions of Games

Besso: we've been over this

TonicBH: funny, Besso, I thought people like BFMEII and C&C3 on 360

Tank_Man: EA works with microsoft so xbox 360 for the win

The Arbiter: main reason I bought H2V

Joe Asakura™: It does work.......just horribly.

Tolkienfanatic: BFME2 wasn't totally terrible...

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[14:58] egmshoe: [Gen]×??× ??µÐ: Whats is your opinons on the 360 elite and do you think they released it to late?

[MT]Dark Chili: 360 + mouse and keyboard = better ahlo 3 beta scores

Devon`D4rk: It should be important to develop cross-platform capabilites. Really, it might provide a way for console gamers to actually start playing PC games. However, it's unfortunate that PC gamers are frowned upon by the common public, while almost everyone owns a 360. It should be the other way around, and I think taht developing cross-platform technologies will help in doing that.

[WFCxBYTE]: true Besso

TheSmokingManX: RTSs CAN work on consoles, but cross-platform RTS play is ludicrous.

johnjuan: the best way to make it work is with a game like savage (anyone remember that?), where pc players and console players do vastly different things

???JellymanCAP???Ehed13: ya

Joe Asakura™: 360 Elite is a great idea, and is coming out an OK time.

TonicBH: 360 Elite... well, it's a slap to the face to existing owners, but it's more of a sissy slap

Besso: the 360 elite is a big load

[MT]Dark Chili: the elite... damn.. it's good, but I would've liked to see it earlier

Besso: its just a black 360

Besso: with less ubgs

TonicBH: If you have a 360, great! You don't need an Elite

Joe Asakura™: It's a slap in the face, yes, but it's a hella good one.

Tank_Man: It looks cool but I think they will release it up to date

Elliot: The Ellite should have been the premium i the first place

The Arbiter: Cross Platforum RTS Game? That's ridicoulous

.? wMute ?: RTSs on consoles are meant to introduce non-RTS gamers to the genre. They're not meant as replacements because clearly, the best RTS experience is on PC. But most casual gamers don't know this, and it's a great way to bring other people to a genere they don't know about

Althalus: i think the 360 elite is pointless, its just the 360 with a few neat little additions

Spencer: I don't know enough about the Elite to give an opinion.

kingsimmy: lol

TonicBH: unless you want to watch HD programs through marketplace

[MT]Dark Chili: my elite got the RROD

[WFCxBYTE]: black 360 looks cool but should be the same price as a regular 360

TonicBH: in 1080p via HDMI

[MT]Dark Chili: not good

TheSmokingManX: Yes, it seems like it was reactionary to what the PS3 could do. I think it was a slap in the face of early adopters such as myself. I think it's a tad overpriced, because look at what the $500 PS3 offer(ed).

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: they released the ELITE wayyy tooo late if they were gonna make that compete wit th ePS3 and the WII they shouldve done it b4 the others launched

TonicBH: then the Elite's your choice

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: I think they released it at a good time, just around the ps3s rise, it's going to make it difficult to muddle out the noise from another Microsoft attention grab.

Si: to me the elite is just a black 360, thats all i see it as

PTV|Leviathan: a waste of money with features it should have already had... not even 65nm.

TonicBH: other than that, save $80 and go Premium

????†§: LOL Elites with RROD is sad

Besso: but people who are too ignorant to know what an RTS is

kingsimmy: premium > elite

Tank_Man: I maybe wrong just liek the halo 3 beta it was postponed

johnjuan: the elite is totally unnecessary as far I can see; just release a $100 upgraded harddrive for those that need it, drop the 20 gig from shelves, and leave it at that

Besso: shouldnt be playing one

dzjepp: I think console developers should stick to one hardware for the life of the console. Otherwise it just becomes more and more like a PC. And more gamers get mad when they are early adopters and then something better comes out. Leave consoles simplified, don't make them a PC.

TonicBH: and you can't go wrong with black-colored consoles

[??]Jrod: lol

.? wMute ?: It's not that they're ignorant, it's that they've never played one.

Besso: the elite it microsoft's answer to the PS3

kingsimmy: elite should inclue hd-dvd drive

Besso: its black

grammatoneric: They make mice for consoles so you can play games like First person shooters, and RTS games without a handicap

Tolkienfanatic: Elite = Useless and a terrible decision on MS's part

[MT]Dark Chili: for me, the elite is all about HDMI

[MT]Dark Chili: that's it

Besso: and its 100$ more

Joe Asakura™: Consoles can be helped transforming into PCs.

Joe Asakura™: *can't

Tank_Man: Ready for next question!!!

[MT]Dark Chili: you could already mod your case to be black

TonicBH: The problem I saw with the Elite is price

[ZiiP]Lazzars: its plain money grabbing from MS

Devon`D4rk: The Elite is really just an unnecessary adaption of the 360.

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[15:00] egmshoe: RedMage: So, whats the next big fad in gaming? We've seen the motion sensor now with wii, where do we go now?

TonicBH: should've been at $400 with the other consoles at cheaper prices

(212th)jamesbond857: the elite is is the same as the regualer xbox exept it's like your paying $70 for a hard drive wich is worth $170

[WFCxBYTE]: Microsoft doesent need more money

[MT]Dark Chili: MIND CONTROL!

TonicBH: next big fad... hmm

Tolkienfanatic: Next big gaming fad = Non-games! It is already happening people... be scared.

[ZiiP]Lazzars: lol

TheSmokingManX: Next big fad is in integration between single player and multiplayer games. See: The Crossing

TonicBH: holographic technology!

[??]Jrod: prob virtual reality lol

[MT]Dark Chili: dude, that's coop

TonicBH: Or games where you snort electric things up your nose and you're in the game

Tank_Man: Robotic retards

The Arbiter: Those Helmets... Virtual Reality or whatever

TheSmokingManX: It's much more than simple co-op.

[WFCxBYTE]: lol

Elliot: i don't know, they have done everything already

Tolkienfanatic: The Crossing just plain confuses me

Joe Asakura™: 64 Player? HA! We need more players, bigger scale games!

johnjuan: more online integration, a greater movement towards pseudo-mmo gaming across all genres, and a greater sense of community across all games

TonicBH: remember that PS9 commercial back whenthe PS2 launched

AmaroK: virtual reality, is never going to kick it guys.

.? wMute ?: Voice-recognition controls = the next big fad

johnjuan: sort of a combination of home and live

[MT]Dark Chili: with the PS9 orb?

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PS3 FTW, its more than gaming its a home entertainment system!!! Xbox 360 is still good, has the best online play, Wii is last only thing good is virtual console and controller. What I say basically 1st PS3, 2nd Xbox 360, 3rd Wii!!! Wii is good for parties etc, Xbox 360 for online, PS3 for EVERYTHING else including home entertainment system BLURAY FTW!!

Besso: the only thing that can come from motion sensors are better games

Besso: enough said

Si: virtual reality gaming most likely, or something like voice controls

Althalus: virtual reality should come next i think, there has already been some progress with it

grammatoneric: Ohhh I know the answer to this one...the next fad is going to be having one system that is your gaming system, your entertainment system, your dvr and your communications gateway

AmaroK: nintendo tried that once allready. and it failed

The Arbiter: or a Video Game System that is just acutally a weight loss machine

[WFCxBYTE]: what Microsoft is missing is a portable system

Joe Asakura™: Making games like Battlefield MUCH bigger. 200 players? That'd be awesome.

Elliot: they had VR, they had holograms, and they have jump in coop

johnjuan: that guy has been spamming this whol time

The Arbiter: We all know thats gonna happen

dzjepp: I would really love for more genre-crossing games like MP and SP (think left 4 dead) and more MMO genres like MMO-FPS mixed together

TonicBH: Amarok: Oh right, the Virtual Boy

[Xfire] Artaxs: The next big fad will be a way to vote on XBL to deliver an electric shock to the 13-year-olds shrieking obscenities into their headsets. ^^

Tank_Man: 3d come out of the screen u can touch any other crap

[MT]Dark Chili: ooooh... not good

TonicBH: heard that was a piece of junk

[ZiiP]Lazzars: downloading games is the next step, no more disks - ever

Tank_Man: Wiis break tvs

[??]Jrod: ouch one of nintendo's not so good consoles lol

Elliot: that's already come too=steam

TonicBH: I'm afraid of the digital distribution bandwagon

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: I have a small beef with the name Xbox 360, 360 refers they have made 0 prgress and are back at square one.

johnjuan: I wouldn't like that

[MT]Dark Chili: yeah... mics can't be sold to people who sing higher than soprano

johnjuan: I like having the physical medium

[ZiiP]Lazzars: steam is PC

The Arbiter: lol I should of been Xbox next

Tank_Man: i pwn n00bs uber micro

Besso: only wii-tards break their TV's

TonicBH: only because I like having cool boxes with covers I like and so I can hug the box and squeeze it and call it George

Elliot: yea

Devon`D4rk: The next important thing to develop in consoles would have to be virtual reality, and the integration between that and graphic quality. Once we can get wii-type technologies with PS3 type graphics, the next big fad will present itself within the common public. To be honest, though, it will probably be a further development of Virtual Reality, as far as possible leg sensors, and then maybe voice commands.

Tank_Man: I called it Sally

[WFCxBYTE]: maybe....

Elliot: i still have all hgrad case

[MT]Dark Chili: how about one dman console

grammatoneric: I really prefer being able to access my games on any PC, which is why I like Steam

[ZiiP]Lazzars: consoles rely heavily on the DVD format though when they no longer need to put games on disks then file size and the DVD drive itself is redundant

[MT]Dark Chili: only one, less $$$, more fun

TonicBH: Steam is a fantastic piece of technology

Tank_Man: noo steam sux

TonicBH: when it doesn't break

[MT]Dark Chili: steam owns

[WFCxBYTE]: steam is amazing

Besso: steam will never die

TonicBH: Tank_Man: Care to explain why it sucks?

Besso: but thats for PC

johnjuan: digital distribution can coexist just fine along with regular retail; ms and sony would never be allowed to switch completely over to digital distribution, because they rely on retail chains to sell consoles, and digital distribution really pisses the brick and mortar off

[Xfire] Artaxs: FFXI is a great game, but I don't think MMO players who were weaned on WoW can hack it. It's a much more challenging game.

Si: noobs that dont wear their straps properly break tvs and stuff with wii motes

or those that do that so they can flame the wii

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PC FTW

Si: and steam owns

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: i love WoW =P

[MT]Dark Chili: my DVD drive broke, so all I need is the key and I can still play.. ownage

Besso: Wow has brainwashed all little kids

Tolkienfanatic: There is absolutely nothing wrong with Steam. At all. If you can't get it to work you are an idiot.

grammatoneric: because he has stolen copies of games and hacks

Besso: into thinking MMO's are all about the same thing

[WFCxBYTE]: lol

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: LOTRO is also good

Besso: i'm personally looking foward to age of conan

Tank_Man: i spent 300 bux on games and it said invalid pass i did forgot password then it was deleted

TonicBH: That sucks

Besso: and pirates of the burning sea

[MT]Dark Chili: ouch

[ZiiP]Lazzars: 'ouch indeed

Tank_Man: and i can't reuse my cd keys

Elliot: then make an easier to remember pass

johnjuan: no, you can always recover your password

Si: steam only sucks to those who cant use it right

TonicBH: Personally I can't stand MMOs. I think it's the monthly fee that puts me off

Tank_Man: i did

grammatoneric: just recover your password

AmaroK: the wii i honestly believe is on eof the bett4er consoles on right now, sure a few morons who lack the braincells to use a saftey strap have broken tvs (or themselves) but they are the first console this generation to offer a new level of play

johnjuan: I forgot mine like 3 times

[MT]Dark Chili: I got t3h banzor from VAC...

.? wMute ?: Everyone says that, Tonic. Until they play one...

TonicBH: That and I've heard the horror addiction stories

Tank_Man: i tried and it said acount deleted

kingsimmy: steam ftw

[WFCxBYTE]: steam is a great idea

Logan: my steam sucks because i cant play Dark Messiah online :( - it just wont load up

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: on LOTRO you can tiop it up rather than having a subscription

Tolkienfanatic: PS2 will be the most popular :O

 

[Xfire] SDaria:

*****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

[15:03] egmshoe: Nadehhh <3: In the next year, what do you think will be the most popular system?

johnjuan: it's still sold out all over the place, and casuals don't play it enough to get bored of its reliance on motion controls rather than deep gameplay

Joe Asakura™: PC is NOT a CONSOLE

grammatoneric: The PS3 still needs to drop it's price

Nodgene: Wii - it'll gain strength with new gamers. Whereas the Xbox and PS3 especially need hardcore members, and they don't gain as much as from the more regular joes off the street.

Tank_Man: he said SYSTEM

TonicBH: I'm not seeing the massive popularity of PC, but I don't think that's a choice in this debate

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Vader not Vacler

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: i agree ps3 pricing = ridiculous

[MT]Dark Chili: if a console wants to win.. they got to have WoW on it

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: lol

Tank_Man: God

[WFCxBYTE]: 360 because once halo 3 the new GTA and more games like Gears of War come out it will be the domiant system

TonicBH: it doesn't matter if he said 'system' instead of 'console"

johnjuan: hah, no

Joe Asakura™: Oh? System? Fair enough, still stupid though, it's the console wars.

Spencer: Good logic, Nights. XFire is on PC, so of course everyone will use it. XFire has like 15 million users after all.

TonicBH: it's 360/Wii/PS3

TonicBH: it's a console war, not PC/console war

[MT]Dark Chili: I vote for taco

johnjuan: WoW is not needed, as evidenced by it never being on a console

dzjepp: The 360. They really have a HUGE advantage with launching first and gaining all the millions of userbase and with live being such a great platform. I think the PS3 did a lot of things wrong (it's almost like beta-max). I would go as far as to say that the Wii will be second. So PS3 will be 3rd

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Its expensive because its the best

=[SiK]= Fincheyboy: as toni csaid

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Why do you think computer are more

.? wMute ?: PCs are insignificant in the gaming market in comparison to consoles.

[WFCxBYTE]: 350>PS3>wii

????†§: lol but everything gets done on a PC spencer

*{ELITE}*Degeneration: PS3 wukk win in 8 years like all of sonys plat forms

Elliot: wern't you banned gk?

TonicBH: Oh wait, the 360 could potentially take over because of Halo 3

[WFCxBYTE]: wii gets boring esaily

Tolkienfanatic: PS3 > 360 > Wii

Spencer: I know what you're saying, but it's not even a console. xD

Tank_Man: gods body has a system he has to reboot it daily though...hey u think u can walk on water without systems?

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: In a while the Ps3 will have had time to catch up, the system wont be so new to developers and they will be able to make games very quickly, and then with the superior graphics and cheaper price by then, will be winning.

????†§: Never said it was.

Tank_Man: Next Question for the win

Tank_Man: gg

TonicBH: So maybe it'll be a dead heat against Wii and 360 unless the PS3 has something up their sleeve

Devon`D4rk: Super Smash BrotherS Brawl will be the best integration of the Wii's technology into a game so far. It's amazing to think that Nintendo's really been working on this game for a long time, and still haven't come out with a real release date. I love how they truly care how it comes out, and will do anything to provide a good gaming experience to people that actually want to play a game that combines competitive qualities and the extraordinary technology of the Wii

Spencer: I can, Tank.

[MT]Dark Chili: we need jesus to decide this

[ZiiP]Lazzars: ps3 needs a little more than a year to wind up but it has the potential to crush 360 graphics and gameplay wise

Tank_Man: lol

Joe Asakura™: The PS3 will Not catch up.

RedMage: 360 is going to outsell simply because of games

[ZiiP]Lazzars: it will just take a while

TonicBH: I've heard something that's gonna be announced on the 11th for the PS3

Elliot: SSBB uses the GCN controllers

Spencer: No, we DinoJesus.

TheSmokingManX: PS3 wins in 8 years I'd say. The tech is strong enough to last for that long, so that isn't a concern at all. And they're in this for the long haul, and I think it's clear the Wii isn't. 360 could potentially be there, but I think the PS3's plan is to win at that point. What the 360 will rely on is how much the Core system's price can be lowered, and how well that sells.

.? wMute ?: Lego Star Wars sold more copies than the best-selling PC game last year

[ZiiP]Lazzars: as sony suck right now

[WFCxBYTE]: not even Jesus can decide this

[??]Jrod: I got a good off topic question: When sony and microsoft peak at graphics, what will they do then???

Spencer: need* o.o;

Joe Asakura™: In 8 years time there will be a new console.

gundemwing0: sony need to get back on the ball

????†§: Half Life 2 only sold 6 million copies

S.W.A.T.: Good thing about the PS3 is it's Xfire compatiable ;)

[MT]Dark Chili: Jesus.... no.... WHy!?!?!??!

johnjuan: you have to keep in mind that all this time that the ps3 is spending on "catching up," the other two systems are steaming ahead as well

kingsimmy: sony is dead

????†§: thats sad

Si: thats what i thought, that ssbb used the gc controlers

Besso: the PS3 wins in 8 months

TonicBH: I'm not sure if we really need a new console honestly

grammatoneric: The PS2 did have a very slow buildup too, it is possible

Spencer: Dino Jesus went extinct for your sins. You cannot beat that.

Besso: let alone 8 years

Surferdude: 'wat makes the next generation consol too u ppl, the graphics, the new technology, the new games and ideas behiond them or just repeats of games, or a mix of any?

TonicBH: Smash Brothers Brawl is probably gonna have Wii remote controls

.? wMute ?: PS3 isn't catching up. They're waiting for games to come out.

Elliot: debate is over

TonicBH: I think it's like, mandatory for all Wii games

Tank_Man: The new console name will be iPlayGames from iMac

.? wMute ?: lol tank

[??]Jrod: lol

gundemwing0: well lets wait for msg 4 come out and see how the ps3 is doing

Logan: what about the gift raffles?

Besso: debate cant be over :(

[WFCxBYTE]: Ps3 will never win unless the cost goes down to the 360s or more games are released

[MT]Dark Chili: macs need a console

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: PS3 FTW

TheSmokingManX: Physics have a long way to go after graphics are "maxed out."

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Gifts?

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: 0_o

[MT]Dark Chili: meh

Logan: game raffle/w/e

Besso: well yeah

johnjuan: macs need a garbage can and someone to put them in it

Joe Asakura™: Nice debate guys, good stuff mentioned. Some crap stuff mentioned, too.

TonicBH: First off, thanks for this debate, Xfire

.? wMute ?: MGS4 and GT5 are all it takes for the PS3's sales to go up

Spencer: We get gifts? o.o;

????†§: PS3 could win in the long rin

????†§: run*

TonicBH: it was fantastic

[??]Jrod: yeah it was a good debate

AmaroK: think about it, th e xbox 360 is just an xbox with more costs, and slightly better graphics. Absolutly nothing revolutionary there.

Spencer: Nice.

[??]Jrod: no clear winer lol

[MT]Dark Chili: I won a 7900 GT off of Xfire, beta that

[??]Jrod: winner*

Tolkienfanatic: Viva la PS3!

TonicBH: I had the best arguments I could really have. It's close, and we'll have to see come 2008

Besso: beta tha?

Spencer: Mute, you better not win again. >:{

Besso: lol

johnjuan: ok, amarok, please don't be a fanboy tard

AmaroK: where as the wii, lets face it, hand control on a level when havent seen before.

TonicBH: but for now, just play the games you wanna play

.? wMute ?: lol

[ZiiP]Lazzars: once MGS4 hits shelves you will see the halo 3 sales pale in comparison

[WFCxBYTE]: Viva la whatever

????†§: yeah i agree spencer

.? wMute ?: i only won once

grammatoneric: I thought we all decided that the atari jaguar should win?

Althalus: bin great tonight guys thanks

TonicBH: and who gives a crap what system you play or prefer

????†§: I was there when he won haha

.? wMute ?: and it was a cap that didn't fit

Spencer: I won 0nce.

The Arbiter: Yeah anybody wanna be friends?

????†§: ill take it

johnjuan: MGS4 is far less mainstream than Halo 3

kingsimmy: is it over?

Tolkienfanatic: peace guys

????†§: lol

[MT]Dark Chili: I won 3 times

Nodgene: Goodnight everyone!

.? wMute ?: lol

AmaroK: and the ps3, it atleast has been the giver of new data technology with th e blu ray dists.

Tank_Man: crap or cap?

[MT]Dark Chili: ownage

Althalus: ill be you m8 lol

S.W.A.T.: MGS4 pwns Halo

TonicBH: To me, getting in this debate was enough of a prize

The Arbiter: atleast the ones who were atleast somewhat moderately not fanboyish

[??]Jrod: same

Besso: amen

Surferdude: was there prizes?

????†§: yeah it was good

Spencer: Rediculosous.

TonicBH: MGS4 looks good. I like both Halo and MGS4. So they're both ace to me

[WFCxBYTE]: bye thanks xfire for this great debate

Althalus: tonic fancy addming me on cfire?

AmaroK: dang. i hate being in asutralia, i mist all the fun

????†§: hey mute you there?

Besso: so are we even still debating?

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Game raffles??!?!?

S.W.A.T.: Not a fan of Halo

The Arbiter: Yeah MSG4 and Halo 3 are both gonna be great

Joe Asakura™: Prizes will be ANNOUNCED. Stop being so impatient! :p

[??]Jrod: yay thansk xfire for this great oppourtunity

dzjepp: I'm getting a sound of a thousand doors closing :o

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: I have Halo for the PC

Spencer: Is MGS4 still FPS?

[MT]Dark Chili: really?! cool

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Not so good

TonicBH: Althalus: sure, what's your handle?

S.W.A.T.: Oh yeah I forgot about those raffles

.? wMute ?: oh yeah, guys? Play Freestyle Street Basketball

.? wMute ?: http://freestyle.sierraonline.com/

RedMage: THANKS XFIRE!

Joe Asakura™: MGS was never FPS.

RedMage: great debate

=GK=x?\\/?cl???x ????: Thats fun

TAW_Nocturn [AA 4]: It was a good debate guys.

(QK)urmom: good debate

kingsimmy: lol

Joe Asakura™: Well done. Good quote. Owned.

[ZiiP]Lazzars: everyone add me - lazzars

Tank_Man: gg

Si: gd debate lol

Tank_Man: gd

TonicBH: fine with me. tonicbh's mine

The Arbiter: k i sent it

Joe Asakura™: Veeeeery good debate, my first one, too.

TonicBH: (whoever just sent me one, send it again)

[WFCxBYTE]: this was a great topic to debate about

grammatoneric: Happy gaming everyone