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Xfire Debate Club 1st Meeting: The Burning Crusade
January 31st, 2007 (Open Debate Transcript)

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****--FIRST QUESTION: I think - or at least I hope - that everyone here can agree that Blizzard really did an amazing job with Burning Crusade. But is there anything about it that left any of you disappointed? If there was one thing that you wish Blizzard had done differently with this expansion, what would it be?

Medros: I wish it would take longer to get to 70 myself

ravar: the dark portal lvl requirement

Sanctimonia: oh this is fun

Black Ranger: Yes.

nexuscrysix: I would like more of a challenge to level 0, it took only a few hours to get thier

oplinger: faster leveling..im tired of looking at nagrand..

loch.alias: I wish that druids got a more defining move than flight form....

Sanctimonia: they should of main the lvl cap higher

Medros: You can get past the portal pre 58

[Toast]sleepyperson2: i wish i had it

[Asguard]ThePres: Deffenitly the dark portal requirments

{TLS}Angel: A new class or two

djpharoh9101: its only ten levels it should be long at all

St(+)rck: The additonal content is phenomenal however I feel the graphics of WoW are being outdated

Medros: I have a 51 in HH now

pinkt4c0: gear upgrades were less then expected

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: i would really like to see an all buff class... like a bard or something like that

googleplexdude: lv. 0?

Black Ranger: The Dark portal level req should be lowered

A-Train: Im actually impressed that BC got up and running very smoothly from the start Blizzard deserves a lot of credit for that.

Coen: till now, i like it so i dont have anything to change on

googleplexdude: there is NO lv. 0!

albinojason: they should have updated priest a bit, they are falling behind when it comes to healing against hybrid classes such as druids and shamens.

indica: more emphasis on parties

soberphoenix1973: I wish that blizzard was able to address a way to enhance grinding so that it was more of a team participation thing

[Asguard]ThePres: Also leveling should go a little faster gets boring grinding for hours to go up a level

djpharoh9101: i hate parying

bahamutbbob: I'm pretty happy with my experience so far SDaria (did I spell that right? hard to scroll up in xfire chats >>US

nexuscrysix: but then again its an expansion, so they don't have to make it a god-like games

Black Ranger: Yes.

Coen: I think the lvl requirement for dark portal is usefull, how to survive in Outland on lvl 10?

St(+)rck: I agree with priest healing , needs a little buff

windsamurai: /agree the graphics are bringing WoW down, next time there should be more of a technically focused update

Klaak: i think alliance should have gotten a 12-18 dungeon like ragefire chasm

googleplexdude: i would like a lv. 99, like final fantasy.

..? wMute ?..: As a mostly "mainstream gamer", ie, someone who spends a lot of time with Sports games and Console games, I find that there's a certain lack of "drawing power" in terms of other features that may attract new users rather than cater to current WoW users and other MMORPG users.

djpharoh9101: i fell that every character should be able to work on its own

loch.alias: The graphics are what make the game unique.

[r/uho]Gluesticks: yah graphics should get better

loch.alias: Don't change em.

indica: partying is the whole prupose of mmorpg's

Cowpie/Izuzo: I definently think blizz should have made the 60% mount 100%. I mean, its a flying mount and your paying 1000g for it.... BUT ITS 60%!! Its too slow

djpharoh9101: be self suffcient

apolloiv: I personally think that a new class would of made the game. We got the shaman class on allliance horde got Pally but if you've played on either side, you know what to do. A new class would of changed how you would group and raid. This would also add new armor and such for the hybrid classes which would of been interesting(thinking that it is an hybrid)

Prime-Target-Finder: BC scenery and mobs are AWESOME

[Asguard]ThePres: The quests for dranei are pretty sweet thoughliket he totem quest

nexuscrysix: kinda hard to xchange grphics with DX10 just coming out

Black Ranger: That's why I think that the level cap should be lowered. Because of the really, really high XP requirements for the higher levels

nexuscrysix: change*

djpharoh9101: but sometimes you dont wanna or no one is going in your direction

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I think Blizzard did quite a god job, but I agree the time to get to 70 could have been a bit longer. I am also very excited about the amount of Raiding content to look forward to.

St(+)rck: I really the love new quests put into BC, much more fun, innovative and creative

St(+)rck: And humorous

Sir. Jiggly-Dins: yea i like the elekk quest with the draenai

Dendei: This may be a little biased, but i feel Engineering really could have shined in this expansion. As an engineer myself, I feel that compared to the additions of the other professions, we got the short end of the stick. With such focus put on Ethereal technology in Outland, its a mystery to me why they didnt go further into it.

djpharoh9101: especially in WOW

windsamurai: i like the styleof graphics, its just that they are a bit old

»Çøkê«: anyone play rs

loch.alias: The flying quest in Hellfire was enjoyable

djpharoh9101: some mmorpgs partying is okay

Blade: I wish it would take longer to get from 60-70 and there would be more land to explore for them to say Burning Crusade is like a World of Warcraft 2 and not an expansion

[r/uho]Gluesticks: i think blizzard should have added more pally gear to horde side and shammie gear for alliance

loch.alias: Droping bombs ftw? i mean who doesn't like that

Black Ranger: Agreed.

muridin: I think that blood elves and dranie should have had a low lvl duneagon equivlent to deadmines and shadowfang keep in bouth ghostlands and in bloodmyst isle

Sanctimonia: they did a great job making silvermoon city not another UC that is for sure

St(+)rck: Yes, all the flying quests are very fun too

[RH] Arizth: Engineering isn't made for practicality, though. Its made for the shrinkers and bombs...and stuff.

djpharoh9101: but in this one you need to able to fight for yourself

A-Train: In terms of what should have been done different I agree with mike quest variety should be improved, hellfire the starting zone had innovative quests but the other zones I've noticed mostly fetch and kill quests.

Ardhiel: I wish thet had included more of a mergance into the WoW story line from BC, so that you wouldn't have to burn through the lowbie levels and could level to say 20 and then continues from the level 20 areas onward in WoW, but could still play the lowbie areas if you'd like.

Judge: I would say "quit making the rich, richer", in other words many classes that had no problem with melee classes for instance, instead of gaining abilies to counter other spell casters or such things, gained more melee control abilites. Certainly there was some consideration, like mana shield now absorbing spell damage, but it seems that many of the root balance issues went unadressed, I also feel that warriors received little to no attention in terms of balance.

[Asguard]ThePres: Expansions usually do better then whole new games expessialy for MMO's

soberphoenix1973: also, it seems like the high end potions are left a little bare yet

{TLS}Angel: speak of that somewhere else

Coen: oh yeah, the zones own in Outland. especially Zangarmarsh imo

seig03: I think a few things could have done better , a few things: lvl 80 cap would have been nice, not to mention a few more things for the low level characters, like a new class or another craft besides jewelcrafting.

t3h pwnzor: The only think i would want blizzard to change is the warrior class. We are now out-tanked by pallie's, just about any class can own us in PvP (exept for rogues in most cases =P )

Black Ranger: Agreed with seig

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Although, I feel like we are more a "part of the story" in Outland than I felt in Azeroth.

Prime-Target-Finder: they shoulda put new low lvl instances in

bahamutbbob: I agree with mike about professions by the way ^^

{TLS}Angel: Definitely agree with Pwnzor

Judge: Yeah I agree with toecutter

nexuscrysix: I would like to see more creative proffesions that don't all seem to have the samwe axtion

djpharoh9101: i like the minigame idea

Freyar: As far as my dissapointments with The Burning Crusade, I'm mainly dissapointed in the level requirements. Yes I understand the importance of being a level that would be able survive in the area, but it's still my responsibility to stay alive.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: a new proffesion would be nice yea. jewel crafting and something else

Dendei: While it isnt ment to be a practical profession, it still does feel lacking. Im not asking that we simply be able to sell our gear to others, but that the profession be worth it to ourselves. At the moment it doesnt feel that much like it is

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: the minigames is a good idea

ravar: didn't they put a low level instance in silver moon

[Asguard]ThePres: Minigames such as what though?

Black Ranger: Minigames would be fun

DGMurdockIII: ok

Klaak: i'm still wishing that WoW would support a more player oriented economy, more focused on craftable items rather than raids

[r/uho]Gluesticks: i think blizzard should have had a instance in teh blood elf and dranei 10-20 areas

windsamurai: another thing that bugs me is the lack of ingame player community establishments, such as player cities and such, id really like to see that in a future update

Sir. Jiggly-Dins: fishing minigames would rule

lennyvolk: Play Puzzle Priates a bit Mike?

Kafziel: they should fix some bugs too, the water elemental bug its a shame.. but the game itself its great.. and the flying mount sounds amazing x)

muridin: i wish a few more areas would have been opend up IE nothrend hyjal the glenies area and the places beside BS

djpharoh9101: that would be nice to see

kirnkaterre: I'm really quite impressed with the continuation of the lore from the standpoint of the questline. I'd like to see a bit more development on the official Blizz site about that.

Sanctimonia: Outland does rule

[RH] Arizth: Engineering: The only place you cna get explosive sheep. What else does it need?

A-Train: I agree gary the graphical quality and design of outlands never gets old.

djpharoh9101: player communities

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: "t3h pwnzor: The only think i would want blizzard to change is the warrior class. We are now out-tanked by pallie's, just about any class can own us in PvP (exept for rogues in most cases =P )" Don't you think that pally mana dependence and therefore group downtime increases make them less attractive as tanks?

{TLS}Angel: Ah, fishing isnt the most exciting profession currently

apolloiv: The art style in the expansion is unrivaled, my only wish was the game got a bit more of a face lift all around instead of just the new BE race

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: like gary says... also the charecters look old compared the new races

djpharoh9101: true

Dendei: True....the sheep do have their uses

djpharoh9101: lol

ravar: true

A-Train: much better then the borefest that were azeroth zones ala barrens.

[Asguard]ThePres: The new races do seem to have a more futuristic look ion things mainly the dranei though

nexuscrysix: WOW had some secrets lin it, linken, the boy with the cat and more. I'm hoping to see BC have some of thoese

windsamurai: but it looks mcuh more pleasing on that note

-{GLS}- Seper: its disheartning to see the old game (pre60) being left behind and not taken care of at all

[RH] Arizth: Engineering is made for either explosives or beams that annoy the hell out of you enemys. It's a PvP proffession, not a PvE

apolloiv: I really think a Rainbow6, World of Warcraft would rune the feel fo the game

pinkt4c0: Blizzard reuses WAYYYYY to many older graphics, as in lightforge jsut recolored or valor recolored

[RH] Arizth: Though I amdit...

windsamurai: exactly

loch.alias: I'm personally refreshed that druids are now balanced.

..? wMute ?..: There's been an influx of publicity in the news media concerning Social Games, such as Second Life, Project Entropia, There, and the recent MTV social game. I think that WoW shares the same aspects of a "metaverse" with the added bonus of a higher production budget and "gameplay" in the traditional gaming sense. it would be interesting to see a wider range of Social Gaming features

St(+)rck: I simply love all the little things and humor that Blizzard has put into WoW, they really do love what they do

nexuscrysix: I do wondeer if a new WOW will incorperatwe DX10

kuremia: Yes, pre 60 should really get looked over. It's as if Blizzard almost abandoned it (besides the new starting areas, of course)

windsamurai: more newb content!

St(+)rck: Like Harris Pilton in Shatrah City

loch.alias: Before druids got owned, i'm glad druids are balanced now.

oplinger: id like to see the iron forge tram actually travel north to south on my minimap....but im easy to please >.>

loch.alias: Druids are alot stronger due to mangle and bear tanking

djpharoh9101: they have too much manpower i think they can pull both

spoon: druids are op now

muridin: i wonder why the dranie in shatarath city say "the naru have not forgoten us" when they stand next to adal

spoon: there healing is better than priest

Coen: I really wanna see what is going to happen with Dalaran

Judge: Paladins make very good tanks and dont have to worry about the first 3 sunders missing or something like that, as there is no such thing as holy resistance and they are far more likely to get and maintain aggro in the beginnig

soberphoenix1973: Why does it seem to just add content to the end game instead of working on the middle game

{TLS}Angel: Ah, locks are overpowered

nexuscrysix: Though it will be later since only 2 gamnes have it and people want ot see it firsthand

windsamurai: the subscriber base is goingup and up, they should put more newb stuff in

kirnkaterre: I'm not sure that the graphics at a hgher resolution would make sense in the lower areas. For those of us who have a computer that works like a block of cheese and a pencil, it's hard enough to play already, lol.

ravar: i don't the lower raids

-{GLS}- Seper: the problem my friends and I aggreed on was once you finish the new starting areas its the same game

spoon: there tankin is better than warriors

[Asguard]ThePres: Wow does speed up with a graphics card such as the 8800's with Dx10 but thats a goo point

Black Ranger: In my opinion, though, I think that the tradeskills need more options for the lower levels. One can't really peddle their enchantments if they're too low of a level because no one wants what they're selling. If blizzard added more enchants for the lower levels that were actually demanded, then people could be more self-supportive in the economy, and thus turning them away to buying gold on ebay.

Sanctimonia: 40 man needed scaled back

-{GLS}- Seper: nothing has changed mid game

Dendei: Well if it is to be considered a PVP profession, i think it should be a little more reliable. At the moment, our devices fail rate makes them almost useless. While clones in other professions, such as the net that was added to tailors, works without fail

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I am also wondering what Blizzard is planning for the future. Did anyone else see the note on the box about system requirements may change over time due to programming? Makes me wonder how much better it might look in the future?

loch.alias: Druids do not need a nerf, we're just finally balanced and everyone is mad we're not free HKs anymore.

seig03: Another problem is that it really hurt the economy of WoW it became so easy for low levels yo make money by selling thing like copper bars for insanely high prices.

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: Its been said before that WoW will not be getting a graphical change any time soon, however I did ask whether this would occur at all myself on the EU forums.

uL*NoFear32: which would be good for a noob WOW or Guild Wars

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: How do you feel about the scaling-down of the dungeons from the big 40-man instances to the smaller five, ten and 25-man runs? Why do you think Blizzard scaled back from 40-mans, and do you think this will be a good thing for the game?

Sanctimonia: just way too many poeple

Black Ranger: Yeah

Black Ranger: Its' hard to gather that many

St(+)rck: I think that it was a fantastic decision to change the Raid limit to 25, 40 was simply too much

apolloiv: Oh lord i love the new 25 raids. Not being in a 40 man raid guild it keeps it personal and while not easier, but a lot more efficient and open to the casual player

loch.alias: To many people in this group is how i feel.

[r/uho]Gluesticks: they should update to old world with many new graphics or skins and maybe a few new quests in teh mid range levels (20-50) with armor and/or weapon rewards for the new classes to each side

A-Train: My main problem with expansion is that lvling from 40-60 on a new toon is just such a boring drag now compared to the fun that is the new race starting zones and outlands.

kirnkaterre: Definitely a plus to have instances that are fewer in plyaer number.

Sanctimonia: it does better with a smaller team

Ardhiel: It took way too many people to do that and too long

Prime-Target-Finder: scale downs are awesome

[RH] Arizth: 40 man scaleing down was made to accomodate those who are NOT HArdcore *Lol, Raid nao! Nao* players

Kafziel: nah, locks still are the overpower xP they got spells with great damage.. and a HP that can be compared to a Warrior

value: Yeah i like that don't have to gather 40 people

Medros: I think they did it to give a buff to the majority of the players, who are not nd game raiders with hours of time on their hands

djpharoh9101: 40 is way too many people

St(+)rck: With 40 one person was bound to be afk, one disconnected, etc

-{GLS}- Seper: scale downs are awesome

Prime-Target-Finder: especially for the smaller not so hardcore raiding guilds....

kirnkaterre: rAcreed, Sacntimonia.

windsamurai: well, rlly because its a bit better for people to play on thier own with smaller dungeon sizes

ravar: what about when you don't have anyone above 60 then your probally going to die

St(+)rck: 25 is much more reasonable and gives more emphasis to each person

nexuscrysix: Nice, it allows the whole team to be easier to organize.

muridin: i feal it is better because it gives a better chance for everyone to get a pice of gear

oplinger: i love non-40-man raids, they are alot easier to manage, and theres less people to screw up

[Asguard]ThePres: To many people and also its more personal and you get more loot with the smaller raids also they can be longer with not as many drop-outs

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: the smaller instances are really good idea i think, cause even people that dont want to play with some guilds can gather quite qood stuff

-{GLS}- Seper: but it would be nice to have the option to go to higher lvl groups for better group

{TLS}Angel: 40 mans are too big

soberphoenix1973: yes, I feel that it will be a good thing in scaling back on the raids because it helps players to work together a lot better and als helps with lag

-{GLS}- Seper: gear*

nexuscrysix: 40 seems to high, but 25 is simplier

..? wMute ?..: I think it would be great to have a "random" raid feature, perhaps 4 groups of 10 people.

Coen: Due the 25 man raids, there can be more guild runs to 1 raid, so it's cool

[r/uho]Gluesticks: yah 25 mans are an improvement

Blade: I think this is a great feature in the game, Now guilds do not have to strive for over 40 members and keep track of as much DKP. The level cap being raised to 70 is another reason the raids were probably scaled down from 40 to 25 man

Medros: Yeah, with 40 people it was too hard to get gear too

-{GLS}- Seper: some people are willing to take the time to get 40mans together

St(+)rck: Better gear is also alwqays a plus :-)

albinojason: I think the new content going towards huge instances is a plus, i mean i spent 4+ hours some nights trying to get a piece of a tier, and even then i wasnt truely given a chance to get something. I hope this works out for the better, less time and easy to get, but not super easy gear

Klaak: i am very upset at the decrease from 40-man raids. now guilds are cutting down the people, forcing people to join different guilds. just look at all the random guildless people wandering around. i think it broke up a lot of the social aspects of the game...along with removing the LFG channel.

apolloiv: I mean really, your drinking buddies back at the bar if you say you killed some dragon with 40 people, 25 is another story

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: it can be hard for some people to have big groups of people inside the dungieons. since wow is a game for noobs and pros alike its good that they turned it down to 25. that way everryone can play and have fun. while being challenged

kuremia: I actually like how they scaled it down to 25. Now each person has to really focus on his/her job for the raid to work out. You really feel like a Hero who is downing this awesome foe.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: The scaling down is the best new feature, IMO. The ability to do an instance so quickly is great; and for my guild we will be able to run 2 25-mans a night when we all hit 70. I love it!!

Medros: I prefer the 25 man raid idea, and hope to see hwo it pans out

A-Train: Agree 25 man raids seem like a better way to get more people involved

Dendei: As a member of a fairly casual guild, i love this change. I have always found myself having more fun in raids such as Zul'Gurub or Ahn'Qiraj than i did in a high pressure 40 man raid to MC. It makes things feel more special, and makes your role in the group more important

windsamurai: 40 man instances are pretty much very rare for people in small guilds and such

Freyar: 40 could take hours to prepare, and even plan. Although the limitation was at 40, the limitation to 25 means that the raid is designed for that number of people, and thus may end up being a better instance, although the downside to that can still of course be that lacking of organization. It's kind of a double-edged sword here.

{TLS}Angel: some people just dont have the time for 40 man raids

nexuscrysix: as long as the battles aren't insane, then 25 teams are possible and way more effective

Medros: I enjoy the ZG runs, so I think 25 will be just right

..? wMute ?..: Perhaps "competetive" raids, such as 20 vs 20 with one goal. first to kill a beast wins the prize, or something along those lines

lennyvolk: Probably too much pain and protest about the amount of time that is asorbed with gathering and organizing 39 other players to accomplish one task. I can't think of any jobs where there is that much demand for micromanagement over such a constrained amount of time.

apolloiv: I agree with the AQ point

Black Ranger: Because so many players want to be able to head their own guild, that makes the forces "thinly spread", so to speak. Beyond guilds, there are few ways to organize a successful raid. I mean, just walking up to someone on the street asking if they play WoW seems a little awkward and weird.

kirnkaterre: I wonder what the participants feel the impact will be on the big uber raiding guilds?

Medros: I agree Freyar

Dendei: I think its a decent comprimise to still allow raiding, but also allow it to be accessable to some who could never have the chance befor

djpharoh9101: i agree with infernal

[Asguard]ThePres: Really Big Kirn

david13gaspar: 25 Man raids are probably one of the best changes because it takes a lot of time getting 40 people...

Blade: Like mike said, guilds can split up groups now so people can now people can have more fun doing more than one raid at a time so other's do not have to wait a week or so for what is happening

windsamurai: yeah, guild wars has pvp missions and thing like hat, maybe wow should put some in

[RH] Arizth: The bigger guilds will either dela with, or split up over, it.

St(+)rck: 25 just seems to be the perfect number

oplinger: smaller raids will really help my guild get going, even if they are still far off, it makes it easier to get my head around a 25 man, rather than trying to find 40 casters.

Medros: 25 man you can actually get them going without weeks of planning in smaller guilds and big

Sanctimonia: even in big guilds like me i am in a 53 man guild and we usally only do 10 man raids becuase most of us like to be in outworld

Judge: I think this was one of the most positive changes they made. 25 mans call for more effort from every member of the raid. In addition Having 25 people in a raid will probably add to the diversity of the raid if that makes any sense. For instance you might see more hybrid classes or "off-specs". High quality loot was often unattainable for many people who could not get into a 40 man raiding guild where as putting together a 5 or 10 man of friends is much easier.

bahamutbbob: I'm kinda 50/50 on the 40/25 man stuff, I mean, it sucks that guilds that built themselves around the 40 core people need to expand or /gremove, but at the same time, it's easier to coordinate 25 people than 40

nexuscrysix: sometghing like 5 man is a wonder, it allows a small group to become acusstomed and they will be able to know eah other and plan for 25 ppl raids

[Asguard]ThePres: They could still do what they wanted with MC and such but going to outlands they have to change there strategies

Klaak: i do like the 20 man raid idea but i think that is the smallest any raid should be. 10 and 5 man end game instances just make it too easy for people to become isolated and socialize with only a couple people

ravar: yeah but bigger guilds can no longer group with most of the players who would normally go

albinojason: i hope the 10 mans are as good as ubrs ( that is still my favoirte instance)

Judge: However it will require more skill so has appeal for both casual and hardcore players

Dendei: Plus set up is much easier on the guilds. We no longer have to worry about getting together so many people for a raid, and hoping they all stay

{TLS}Angel: yeah, 40 mans are just too big, most of the time you dont even know anyone else

Black Ranger: Alternatively, though, one should have the option of having 25-man or 40-man raids, kind of like the difference between Normal and Heroic dungeons. The 40-man raids would be harder, yes, but they would give more loot.

djpharoh9101: i like the isolation

windsamurai: lol

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: That was an excellent point--scaling down to 25-mans gives more Guilds a chance to see the raid content.

djpharoh9101: i like to able to run off on my own

Blade: 25 man instances would also require more strategy and more cooperation with members, being that there are less members of course

Black Ranger: Agreed with blade

{TLS}Angel: agreed

ravar: agreed

Sanctimonia: everquest is a dying breed that is for sure

Judge: yeah raid content is deffinetly more accessible as a 25 man then a 40 man

[RH] Arizth: Isolation lets you avoid random nubs who leave mid-instance or cause wipes. It's not ALL bad.

-{GLS}- Seper: i would much rather have my guild as a whole involved instead of kicking out the new players so the ones who have been running the instances for awhile can get there gear without hassle

soberphoenix1973: I have been soloing mainly for leveling requirements, but I want to help out my guild mates by starting off in small 5 man raids

Medros: lol # Bill

windsamurai: /agree

-{GLS}- Seper: it screws out the noobs

apolloiv: 25 mans would also make gear distribution a lot better

Judge: loot distribution will be much better as well

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: our guild is a little small... so a 40 man raid would be VERY impossible. im looking foward to our raid

[Asguard]ThePres: Also less chance you get peopel in teh raid that dont know what they are doing and less confusion

{TLS}Angel: 40 mans can just rush in and try to kill with numbers

-{GLS}- Seper: and everyone is a noob once

nexuscrysix: at 40 it felt like areas were overcrowded and like not a lot were doing thier job. lower makes it easier to know everyone's strengths and weaknesses

Sanctimonia: i agree with gary

ravar: they should still have some 40 man raids in outland

[RH] Arizth: Noob? No. Newb? Yes

Sanctimonia: 10 is just ri9ght

A-Train: Yes Gary Karazhan is very well done.

djpharoh9101: that sucks when you kill with sheer numbers

Kafziel: 25 man its better.. can be more organized.. the new instances are very technical.. will be a good thing imo

nexuscrysix: especially with newbs

muridin: gear is helpfull but dose not win raids organization and stagys and geting ppl to listen to you wins raids and its eaiser to get 25 ppl to listen to you then it is 40 (genrely)

Dendei: Though for a bigger guild, i dont imagine this would be much of a problem. I do see where this could be an issue for those larger guilds, as they would probably stress to get things working in a civil order. They would have to turn people back as their raids fill up much faster than they ever did before

apolloiv: so you wouldn't have to sit in front of a screen for mounths for one peice of armor because of DKPS

Klaak: loot is a non-factor imo. the instance runs are more about the teamwork and content than the loot

kirnkaterre: Chris makes a good point about the framerate.

djpharoh9101: there should always be alittle strategy

Judge: statistically speaking in a 40 man you have a 1 in 40 chance to get any given piece of loot

Freyar: @Blade that's my point of view on this. Although a 40 man raid may be fun, the amount of time taken to actually put it together, organize attack plans and the like just seems to be astronomical. However with the limit be 25, it means that that particular raid/objective is balanced for that.

windsamurai: too many ppl playing at once in 40 man missions

Klaak: if you want loot, go pvp by yourself.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: It will also help even out the High-end PvP, since you won't have a "naxx-geared" player instanly crushing those without the better gear

windsamurai: just doesnt feel right

Ardhiel: ThePres, that's not smart because you will always have newbies trying out raids.

A-Train: What makes it great is that its puggable so players not part of big raiding guilds are able to clear it.

Medros: I would have to say that the lowered dungeon caps definitely bring out the cooperation more

[r/uho]Gluesticks: that is a preety good point about how it speeds up framerat

Black Ranger: Yeah. Just before BC came out, before I knew that the raid number was going down from 40, I was honestly worrying about how I was going to get my tier armor. I didn't know that many people who played WoW, and it'd be weird asking someone outside my guild if they were going to do a raid with me.

{TLS}Angel: Yeah, people who have jobs and go to school just dont have time most of the time to do a full 40 man raid

albinojason: yea my comp gets a big boost everytime i go into an instance now, i like it =D

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: Is it worthy to buy BC right now when im only on level 20 or wait to lvl 60?

djpharoh9101: right

Sanctimonia: PVP went better too

djpharoh9101: i dont

Judge: loot in pve is very often more desirable then loot from pvp, and certain equipment slots cant be filled, for instance trinkets, in pvp

Val727 (aka lucian): I would

djpharoh9101: hell im in school now

A-Train: So karazhan lets more casual players get atleast 2 pieces of tier 4

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: I’m seeing a lot of Draenei and Blood Elf players these days. Given that they have such powerful racials, are the original game races going to be neglected by new players, or will the novelty of the new races wear off as time goes by?

Klaak: i don't believe the new racials are amazing

Black Ranger: It'll probably wear off

-{GLS}- Seper: the new races are good

apolloiv: Oh they will wear off, trust me

windsamurai: possibly

Prime-Target-Finder: novelty of new races will ear off

[Asguard]ThePres: They will wear off

{TLS}Angel: Ah, the new races are going to get old sometime

-{GLS}- Seper: but they will become just like any other race

soberphoenix1973: they will wear off

oplinger: itll wear off, just like it did with all the races, and amazing racials? >> no.

windsamurai: they are a bit too fancy

djpharoh9101: its gonna wear off

Sanctimonia: i agree

david13gaspar: Wear off...

ravar: probally but not for awhie

Coen: I guess they will wear off

apolloiv: I have no intrest in playin either race, awsome racial or not

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I think the novelty will wear off in time; but it's going to be a while.

Klaak: night elf shadowmeld is by far the best racial

[RH] Arizth: Novelty will wear off. Dreanai and Blood Elves will go away.

St(+)rck: I think that the BE's and Draeni's were a great addition to WoW and maybe be a bit overplayed later on

rycher88: i love WoW

[r/uho]Gluesticks: i think so the new races with definatly wear off soon i mean how many are actually going to even hit 40 not many

lennyvolk: The orignonal races are by no means dead. I would be a fool to abandon my undead with Will of the Forsaken.

kuremia: It is inevitable that the boom in rerolls will wear down, but the new races are pretty cool.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: its just a thing now... its like fur jackets they will get old.

djpharoh9101: hell once i get burning crusade im just gonna go to the old ones first

Coen: the racial of the belfs are kinda sucky

windsamurai: the next expansion has to have spruce up the original races

St(+)rck: WE will be seeing a lot more BE's and Draeni's then all the other races soon.

Sanctimonia: people are going to go back to there lvl 40 troll mage and get him up to 70

rycher88: gues wat everyone

Prime-Target-Finder: i reckon that after some time people will so how many damn Belfs and Draeni there are and eventually get bored with playing such a common race

{TLS}Angel: People will play what they feel comfortable playing. Its not going to be based on appearance. Its going to be based on what they are comfortable playing.

Val727 (aka lucian): I believe the Blood Elves will become the majority race of the horde for a while, kind of like NE's were to alliance...

rycher88: I LOVE WOW

[Asguard]ThePres: The racials are good but they get a bit boring after a while an move to something else. Like any other race or class that comes out.

Coen: compared to most alliance racials

albinojason: They will even back out sooner or later, they are like a new toy everyone wants to try it but some will stick with it and others will go back to what they had

googleplexdude: i think it will take a while for the races to wear off i think.

bahamutbbob: my old old guild, that got torn apart by the former guild leader, rerolled for the expansion with 18 or 19 draenei on a PvP server, they wanted to have as many +hit auras as possible

Judge: Im sure the novelty will wear off, but the blood elf racial abiliies for instance I believe will continue to draw new players, especially considering how much everyone seems to love elves and they are the only elf on the horde

Black Ranger: On the first day of BC, I tried making a blood elf on Wildhammer, my resident server, and the entire place was packed. Just now when I went back there, it was almost empty.

djpharoh9101: will there be another

rycher88: WOW OWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS

St(+)rck: But the addition of them did provide efficient content to an old game

oplinger: people just like them because they are new, just liek clothes, they will get old, and people will move on

djpharoh9101: i think its done now

Freyar: I think that the novelty of the new races will of course wear off. Especially for newer players that havn't had the amount of time to actually use them all. The only thing I'm afraid of really is the kind of balancing and equipment available for the two new races. That's not to say I don't like playing them.

googleplexdude: im actually not sure if theyll wear off.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: i love drenei cause they look awesome

apolloiv: But for new players they may not know all this stuff, arcane torrent may not sound as good as oh...gnomes

Medros: I agree with Gary, by comparison to the BE and Drae, the old racials are weak

windsamurai: yeah

{TLS}Angel: like i said, appearance means nothing to most people

Dendei: Its always possible, these new races have the trial and error of the other races behind them. There are other reasons to play the other races however for either side, which may be what makes things a little more diverse. If someone wishes to play a specific profession, they wont always find them with the new races.

Sanctimonia: bill is dead on

Kafziel: well.. to start off, they're both new races and everyone wants to try those new things.. in the end those racials are not THAT overpower as many people say. imo

djpharoh9101: unless they release a new warcraft game to forward the story its pretty mouch it for now

[RH] Arizth: Weak, maybe. Still useful? Yes

ravar: most blood elves and draenie power level and leave slow levlers in the dust so evenutally they wil wear off

Medros: Perception?? Worthless compared to the Drae HoT

Sanctimonia: warlock are a rare class to have now

[RH] Arizth: Diplomacy > most other racials right now

windsamurai: /agree

oplinger: listen to the man, NERF WARLOCKS!

kirnkaterre: The storyline behind the "old races" goes back into past iterations of WoW. I wonder if any of the participants feels more connected to the older races because of past gameplay?

Judge: BE racials are insane compared to that of say, trolls or dwarves

A-Train: What they need to do is improve old race startings zones because the be and dranei zones are much better done and elimanate needless travel making lvling from 1-20 very fast.

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: I think it would have been better to have kept both 40 and 25 mans, rather than relegating 40 to the past (and the old endgame), whilst keeping the new stuff. 25 man is good for several reasons, and large guilds will deal with it, however fewer players mean that larger guilds may effectively be forced to split themselves in to, and half the fun of raiding is a social element. It would also have enabled them to focus on two kinds of raids - strike team, and more epic feeling raids.

albinojason: i agree on that NERF LCOKS!

..? wMute ?..: In comparison to the game Guild Wars, which introduced different Clases during their upgrades, there was an issue concerning overpopularity. there was a lack of balance in parties because there were too many Assassins or Ritualists, or Dervshes. I think the issue is less problematic in wow, where there's less stress on the demands of party needs

muridin: true

pinkt4c0: I believe that the new races will be just as plentiful as the old ones, people will find that all the racials will be good and will eventually see that, and roll those races

bahamutbbob: Gary, come duel me then say that omg omg omg omg :P

[Asguard]ThePres: Likely hood of a new warcraft game is low I am sure

nexuscrysix: i only really enjoy playing as blood elf, thier popular since they give players a new feel. Horde creatuers are monsterous but the blood elf gives as a dark elf character. Dranei are not like the civvilized characters of the Alliance, so it changes things up

soberphoenix1973: one of the important things about why I played this game in the first place is because of friends

Prime-Target-Finder: LOCKS DONT NEED A DAMN NERF!

windsamurai: yeah

{TLS}Angel: locks are overpowered

djpharoh9101: they should keep every class balanced

djpharoh9101: so definetly nerf warlocks

[RH] Arizth: Locks are NOT overpowered. This is coming from a Paladin/Warrior

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: Locks are fine the way they are, you are just underpowered :P

[RH] Arizth: YOu just need to learn to cut cloth

SaintAvalon: Everyone says nerf warlocks, how about you look at the filp side... They are almost perfect, they have 3 viable tree's and spells to match.

oplinger: sure they do

soberphoenix1973: however, I would not like to give up my druid because of the time spent getting to my current level

djpharoh9101: yeah they are

muridin: pallys and locks should get a flying mount quest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

windsamurai: there has to be a definate balace between races or classes or whateve

[RH]Yragorn: Deal with the new race

SaintAvalon: Instead of nerf, why not bring all other classes up to them?

Judge: mana burn and aoe silence with energy and mana restore? Id gladly trade perception for that any day

Blade: I think that as time goes by the new races will become just like the old. I still see alot of the old races being played. The new races is just a new experience, new quests, new class, and pretty much a whole new world. Players like to experience something differant.

djpharoh9101: ive seen a level seven lock take out hogger

nexuscrysix: However we will be seeing changes in the old alliances, especially with the shaman becoming avalible

Kafziel: indeed... that should be number 1 priority for blizzard.. the balance..

{TLS}Angel: People will most likely just have new race alts and not mains

Sanctimonia: they do when you get to 70

|AcE|Thakilla: Imagine a BE hunter v a mage, as soon as the mage gets close range to prevent the hunter from doing any heavy damage with his bow, the hunter can use the AOE silence

[RH]Yragorn: Find your own way to own their spells

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: the drenai raciel are very usefull... a warroir has a healing spell with him at all times. and that is what warriors need. i havent really fegures out the blood elves raciel yet. but im getting there

djpharoh9101: thats a call for nerfing

[RH]Yragorn: Every races has a weakness

Dendei: I think the killing blow of the old races might be their aging starting zones. The new starting zones make the old one's look like any old quest hub. They really were well designed, and i find them fun to go through even on my level 60

googleplexdude: who thinks that mmorpg's are cool because you can quest AND make new friends online.

[RH]Yragorn: that makes the game more challenging for you all

Sanctimonia: me

windsamurai: yeah

[Asguard]ThePres: All classes have been overpowered at some point Blizzard knows this and will continue to balance thigns out

Sanctimonia: me

Sanctimonia: me

-.a|a.- KD: For truth

St(+)rck: Whats the weakness for BE's and Draeni?

Judge: gift of the naru isnt that impressive, its a less powerful renew with a casting time

djpharoh9101: i hope they do

[RH]Yragorn: None are overpowered

windsamurai: everyhing has to have balances and weeknesses

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: You bet Chris--I started one of each because the were new--Had nothing to do with the Racials. Plus, there will always be folks who want to play what they want, be it human or Orc or Troll, etc.

Val727 (aka lucian): I've taken hogger as a 8 rogue, it's not difficult with some skill

Sanctimonia: less heath to start off

Judge: but the BE racials are really powerful

apolloiv: The new BE town was made to attract more Alliance/kid players was it not

{TLS}Angel: when u look at it, racials are nothing compared to the class based abilities

Freyar: @Dendei- what's the downside of said healing spell though? Is it able to be countered by anything in terms of another active or passive ability?

A-Train: I disagree with Bill the new starting zones are diffinitley easier.

kuremia: /agree with Judge

Sanctimonia: oh

oplinger: warlocks are overpowered..it dawned on me when i saw one tank Rammstein with nothign but drains

albinojason: they just need to updated priests in general they are falling behind in everyone aspect

Kafziel: well.. balance the classes are not that easy.. to start off.. the balance isnt a right cience xP

St(+)rck: Yeah, I do not think racials impact a player THAT much

apolloiv: Agreed gary

googleplexdude: how?

SaintAvalon: BE arn't that powerful, they take time to use, and usually take away from a spell you should be casting.

djpharoh9101: i get lost sometimes

david13gaspar: [RH]Yragorn what class are you ? warlock ?

St(+)rck: Depends on class mostly

»Çøkê«: who plays rs

Black Ranger: When I chose to be a tauren, I chose it because I wanted to become a druid. The reason that people will stick with a race is because that some races are the only ones on their side (Horde/Alliance) that can be a specific class. Now that Draenei can be Shammys and BE's can be Paladins, it'll definitley increase their appeal. As several of you may recall, many people on the Horde side hated the Alliance for having pallies, and vice versa with the Shamans.

Sanctimonia: play a warlock blood elf and try and get the voidwalker

ravar: draenies are cofussing though

{TLS}Angel: definitely

-.a|a.- KD: The only reason people are so excited about BE's and Draenei is because that is what the Guilds are all currently looking for right now, if you level a Draeneior BE to 70, ANYONE is going to take you into ANY guild.

Klaak: of course every class has strengths and weaknesses. if you play a priest, you're like "nerf warlock" and if you're a hunter you're like "nerf mage" it has nothing to do with the class being overpowered, it's just your weakness that was put in place on purpose

[Asguard]ThePres: Cool thing about the new starting zones is that you can stay there untill level 20 and still have quests to do

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: Personally I think the racials of the BE combined with a paladin is a kick in the teeth. The horde paladin is stronger than the alliance paladin, down to its racials, and yet the alliance paladins have been putting up with the constant whine and problems for years

Judge: the BE racial arcane torent when used by a rogue is VERY powerful

[RH] Arizth: Dreanais are the new Paladin race. extra healing ftw

apolloiv: I think Dra should of got druids as well if they are so high and mighty on nature and such

djpharoh9101: i dont really PVP

windsamurai: yeah

Dendei: I think in time the healing spells may prove to be as passive as the other racials. They may seem great now, but as you go up in stamina, i cant imagine them being any better than first aid

SaintAvalon: They only rally come into play in lets say MC where your in a group and having extra mana/rage/cp's come into play.

ravar: i'm a hunter i don't want them to nerf mages

Blade: You cannot balance everything within a few tries. It will take forever just to have everything balanced, and even then you will have people complaining about classes needed a nerf because it is their opinion after all.

Ardhiel: Blizzard shouldn't nerf warlocks as a whole, that's just ridiculous, they could nerf ceratin aspects to balance things out if need be, but to blast a whole class is just overpushing it, because then the opposing class will need to toned down.

Sanctimonia: you have to first go down a the scar and then fight off like 20 ghost then you have to go and get the voidwalker and fight him

»Çøkê«: i pvp all the time

Judge: rogues dont need anything MORE to help them lock down casters, especially an aoe silence that restored energy

nexuscrysix: both aren't all-powerful, but new things cause players to try them out. I'm betting most people who tryied dranie or BE playesd the other races

bahamutbbob: onw hat Teza just said, horde has pretty amazing PvP racials...

albinojason: my priest cries at night thinking about the BE silence

Black Ranger: Yeah.

value: lol they are made for pvp

djpharoh9101: its a good thing that pvp is okay in WOW

[r/uho]Gluesticks: anyone else think that the dranei racial is better the the BE's

googleplexdude: whats BE?

-.a|a.- KD: Everyone is rolling Draenei Shaman on Alliance right now, because once you get the thing to level 70, any Guild is gonna literally beg you to join them, because Shamans are new to Alliance, more than likely it's the same scenario on the Horde's side of the story.

Kafziel: a good way to "nurf" warlocks should be nurfing his HP..

djpharoh9101: some games dont do it well

SaintAvalon: Or a hunter shooting silence shot that not only silences but hurts you?

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Yea gary. just wait give blizzard a week more or so and both racials will be nerfed

Judge: yeah horde basically just got a whole new set of insane racials

St(+)rck: Or mana

Kafziel: but still.. maybe balance isnt something easy to do..

windsamurai: Bloo Elf

kuremia: Anyone else think that the nerf to the Priest spell SW: P was completely unnecessary?

windsamurai: Blood*

{TLS}Angel: Locks can convert one to the other, it doesnt matter

SaintAvalon: And yet hunters want locks to be nerfed... every class seems to want every other class they can't kill nerfed.

[Asguard]ThePres: I do Kuremia

Medros: lol

djpharoh9101: we should nerf everyone

Kafziel: priests was

oplinger: i dont want any class nerfed but warlocks >>

djpharoh9101: lol

Val727 (aka lucian): yeah

Black Ranger: I'd kind of like Hunters nerfed

[RH] Arizth: Warlocks are NOT overpowered, I say again, NOT overpowered.

Val727 (aka lucian): but it's hard to keep track of what's being discussed

Black Ranger: But I'm a druid, so of course I'd say that.

Sanctimonia: For the horde

windsamurai: yes quite so

bahamutbbob: I agree with ScopeShot

nexuscrysix: though since be's and dranie's are all gonna start at lvl 60 for gamers, ppl want to get them leveled high for future changes in the WOW enviornment if the time arises

ScopeShot: I'd like Warlocks nerfed

oplinger: i can understand hunters, and druids, and priest, but..warlocks are just over the top

djpharoh9101: i like druids

Medros: Blizz will do nerfs and buffs as they see fit

Val727 (aka lucian): someone's saying nerf locks, others are talking about racials, raids

[RH]Yragorn: do not nerf any races plz

Val727 (aka lucian): etc

A-Train: Aoe silence isnt as scary as it sound...it has no range for instance past 5 yards.

{TLS}Angel: u know somethings overpowered when it can 2 shot someone the same level

djpharoh9101: that was a fun class to play

[RH] Arizth: They just have viable builds all around, so most people cry nerf since their class might have a bad tree.

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: I kinda feel that by allowing paladins and shamen to become cross-faction, Blizzard caused Horde and Alliance to each lose a little bit of their unique flavor. I preferred it when each side had something the other didn’t. Does anyone else feel the same? Can anyone explain to me why Blizzard did it?

albinojason: i was sad at this

apolloiv: Ever hear of "The Customer's always right?"

djpharoh9101: i completly agree

{TLS}Angel: yeah, shoulda left them alone

value: yeah i agree

Val727 (aka lucian): I disagree

Kafziel: that 2 shot thing depends on the HP.. many classes can 2shot a bad geared mage

-.a|a.- KD: Blizzard did it because ofthe people complaining that Horde or Alliance was unbalanced de to their side-s

Val727 (aka lucian): for instance

[RH]Yragorn: if you nerf them, youll COMPLETELY RUIN THE GAME CHALLENGES

Klaak: they did it to stop people from complaining about them being overpowered

{TLS}Angel: All I see are Blood Elf Pallies and Draenai Shamans

SaintAvalon: I think because of the Pally epidemic, the shaman are getting the shaft on horde.

[Asguard]ThePres: Completely agree with that. I enjoyed being a Pally and now seeing others on the horde being Pally's its not as cool anymore

value: horde paladin makes no sense to me at all

St(+)rck: Umm, yes, I understand why BLizzard did this, so many Horde were complaing on Pally's and vice versa, That a compromise had to be made

soberphoenix1973: I think blizzard did it so that they could balance it out because too many people said that there was an unfair advantage and their profits may have suffered because of it

Val727 (aka lucian): what of those on PvP servers who want to try the faction classes?

pinkt4c0: I believe that blizzard used it as a aff assed attempt at fixing both shaman and palidans

Sanctimonia: i hated PVP a human pally

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Yes, a huge disappointment. I enjoyed that eash Faction had it's own flavor. My only guess is that Blizzard bowed to the pressure on the forums, i.e. the recent Lock pet and Hunter nerfs

djpharoh9101: but pick horde or alliance should be a tough choice

[r/uho]Gluesticks: i think they did it so that they didnt have to balance them off each other and have to have instances planed for either not both

..? wMute ?..: In terms of character balance, there's always an issue concerning a specific Class' potential, and how they are realisticly used. often, there are issues with users not "knowing" how to properly use a certan set of skills, and that's usually the case when people say one class is underbalanced

[RH] Arizth: Blizzard did it so they cna design instances playing on both classes strengths, isntead of divide em and make em easier so both Shaman partys AND Paladin partys can clear em

ravar: they said why they did it so that horde and alliance could be ballanced and could do the instances without having to warrior about if they should have a shammy or pally

Medros: Blizzard was tired of trying to make each the counter to the other while still trying to make them unique classes

Val727 (aka lucian): they now have that opportunity

pinkt4c0: they didnt really put much effort into it

[Asguard]ThePres: Plus you cant have dark pally's paladins are supposed to fight for good and right

bahamutbbob: Blizzard did it to make designing encounters easier on themselves, IE Nef with class calls, and making less complicated code for loot dropped

windsamurai: like i said before, eveything has to have strengths and weeknesses

SaintAvalon: Why use a shaman that has a limited buff (party only) when a pally can do a lot more for the raid, including to give themselfs a bubble that can prevent them from dying.

St(+)rck: But I do feel it did compromise on each factions uniqueness

[RH] Arizth: +, Shamans and Paladins complement each other nicely

Sanctimonia: they would be almost dead and boom the bubble spell

djpharoh9101: it shouldnt be an asthetic

Medros: therefore they solved the problem by making them both available to the other side

oplinger: the factiosn no longer have any sort of uniqueness to them now that they share classes, but it doesnt ruin anything, in fact, now i can drool over a mana spring totem and actually have it work on me

windsamurai: u cant have somthing thats good in everything ans omething elses that sucks completely

A-Train: I agree they did sort of kill the difference with horde and alliance with crossing classes. It was however a neccesary fix because paldins were making Horde and Alliance too imbalanced in raid IMO.

SaintAvalon: Even cause a full health gen, pallies really made PVE easier for alliance and pretty much kill Shaman.

djpharoh9101: its come down to the races

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: well a lot of people playing WoW have a lot of different opinions, bt i think its great that now have both sides same chances

Medros: it was inevitable from Day 1, they just gave a 2 year buffer on it

kazic: I didn't understand why they did that either. I read a convo with some of the blizzrd devs on gamespot I believe it was, and they said they were excited about making all the classes non-exclusive.

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: I agree actually, the horde and shaman thing was an easy way to allow them to balance out encounters. By doing so they turned thier back on lore, and also kinda rubbed some of the differences in the two factions away, now the difference is only racials and location

Black Ranger: Well, considering the vast player base of WoW (All 8 million of it), you've gotta keep things fair, otherwise someone's going to complain all the time. Now, with the fact that both sides can play all races, it eliminates a reason for someone to complain about how they can't become a (blank).

nexuscrysix: Well with BE and dranie, we are getting a change in the game. Though long time fans ae annoyed about having thier exclusive shaman and paladins. Though I don't think it's a big deal, paladins don't compare to warriors with thier short range and can relate to dranie, while shaman have been debated over warllocks

St(+)rck: But now at least you dont here the Horde whining about Pally's

djpharoh9101: lol

windsamurai: yeah lol

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: in battlegrounds horde had the favor, but now there is both shamans in alliance and horde. this is ofcouse a good thing as it allows people to have wider selection of classes, but it will also give alliance a chance in battlegrounds

djpharoh9101: true

Black Ranger: Or the Alliance whining about the Shammys.

googleplexdude: ditto, paladin is supposed to be for light and light=alliance, huh? also, a dark paladin looks weird but different, which kind of makes it cool i guess.

SaintAvalon: Lies, i still whine about pallies

Black Ranger: I thought about that, Google.

Medros: So now all we can rejoice in is the races we have that are different

St(+)rck: Haha

-.a|a.- KD: Faction-specific classes. Blizzard, contrary to popular belief, does think about its users, and thus they just probably threw the classes into the other faction for the hell of it. There is no real reason for them to do it, other than users always said that their opposing faction were more stacked [unfairly] than theirs was, just because of the class they didn't have.

windsamurai: now allaince and horde have things from each other

{TLS}Angel: nah, factions arent based on light and dark

Freyar: As far as the issue with putting cross-faction classes, I agree that it ended up with each side ending up with losing some of thier uniqueness. As such, it lowers the possibility of wanting to play a Horde (or vice versa) in the name of doing something that is good. Of course, I also believe that each unit should be special to that group. In World of Warcraft, you've got your special units that are specific to each side of the conflict. I don't remember the units being shared in the RTS--

Val727 (aka lucian): IF you think about it

Medros: is that such a bad thing?

windsamurai: imo which is more fair

Dendei: Honestly i have to agree, those were what gave each faction its unique flavor. Shamen really fit the horde better than it would ever fit the alliance, and paladin fit the alliance better than it ever would the horde. Despite this though, im willing to give Blizzard a shot here with this. It could prove to mix things up in a fun way. Plus its not like they are giving it away to everyone, just the new races.

Freyar: Format, and I kind of feel bad that that was broken in WoW

{TLS}Angel: otherwise there wouldnt be alliance locks

?3™|Roker: Now all people have to judge by both sides is what looks cooler to them.

Val727 (aka lucian): Blood Elves, along with the rest of the horde, are not necessarily evil

Judge: One of the big reasons they probably did it was to dispel many of the balance rumors. In addition it helps add some diversity to raids and pvp, while giving hardcore alliance/horde players the chance to test something new

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I don't agree the Horde has a BG advantage due to having shaman. Have you ever tried to get a Pally down to zero health?

Blade: I agree that WoW has now lost it's uniqueness. Now the only differance between each faction is the racial abilities in what they can learn.

Val727 (aka lucian): yes

Judge: And all in all there is really nothing unique about any class/race combo in wow

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]:

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: Well angels are supposed to be on the light side as well, but you know Fallen Angels exist as well ;)

Medros: does the Alliance have walking Cows? Do the Horde have anything conveniently sized in case the football gets impaled on a tauren horn?

value: Pally can just survive forever

oplinger: mage vs shaman? ...shaman wins! fatality!

Judge: with so many people playing it its hard to be innovative or unique

SaintAvalon: I too say they made it more unique, now they claim they will make Shaman more the way they should. Allowing both pallies and shaman to be more unique, but we (shaman) keep getting nerfed.

windsamurai: the only reason i dont play wow now is becuase its too much of a grindfest to get to level 60

[Asguard]ThePres: Made the game a bit more interesting knowing you are fighting something that you could not use yourself but now that there are alliance shammans and Horde Pally's running around there is the loss of the challenge and the unique color of each class.

Medros: No!

Black Ranger: See, what would be logical to me is that the historically "Bad" classes (Warlocks, for one) would be on the historically "Bad" side.

windsamurai: or 70 now

Dendei: Medros, thats a good point. It wasnt exactly the classes that made the factions

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: if you read the story it says that blood elves has to bend the light to there will...

apolloiv: Yes, i hate to have shamans still in my gorup..until i get that mana tide totem

Spank n Uranus: yea

{TLS}Angel: Light isnt a faction thing

SaintAvalon: Shaman need a buff in some way, maybe some type of 'bubble' of there own, and Pallies need there bubble not just on a timer but on a damage basis like all other bubbles.

Val727 (aka lucian): I'm not excited about fighting paladins on my rogue.

{TLS}Angel: Its sortof a religion thing

Blade: And i do not believe horde ever had an advantage just from having shammans

Val727 (aka lucian): but I believe it was a solid design choice

-.a|a.- KD: But for me, it doesn't really matter in the long run, I am not fond of either Shaman nor Paladin, and so this matter does not affect me, I am a Warlock or Rogue at heart.

A-Train: Lol now when alliance lose to horde in BGs they cant use shammies as an excuse.

windsamurai: the paladin religion lol

A-Train: vice versa

kirnkaterre: Makes me wonder if we will see an overpowering of these new classes as the players mature, and how that will affect class balance.

St(+)rck: I agree on the Dmg meter for Pally bubble

nexuscrysix: They want the alliance not to be known as a group full of monsters, paladins give a diffrent feel to the horde, same with the alliance, the shaman don't fit with the human feel of the alliance and give into the alliances monster side

kazic: Yes they BE's have basically stolen the Light, but even that seems to be a kind of weak explanation

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: if shamans and pallys get bubbles then the priest will be useless

Medros: Any guild that demands I do anything with my game time isn't worth my time

-.a|a.- KD: It will not be a big enough issue to cause any kind of conflict in the future. So it's no big deal. :)

Ruby Moon: It's not a problem having pally in my group, but it's a problem when all they say they cannot tank low lvl instances

apolloiv: Have you guys seen the BE paladin mount? how is that lazy, it looks so cool

SaintAvalon: A guild i was in requested a few to re-roll. And they did, so they had Pallies grinding, already 40 or so levels.

nexuscrysix: true

kuremia: I do hate when Pallies bubble up when I have them one inch away from death, but it one of their defining traits.

Medros: I pay for this game, I pay mymoney to play my way, nto someone elses way

Freyar: As far as balance, I'm sure things will be adjusted as neccesary, however the downside to that is definate complaints by people that have already invested thier time in those characters.

{TLS}Angel: hybrids arent better than normal classes

djpharoh9101: yeah i agree with medros

SaintAvalon: The bubble needs to be nerfed in a multitude of ways.

{TLS}Angel: depends on specialization

Sanctimonia: why

Black Ranger: I agree also.

Val727 (aka lucian): when they bubble, it gives you a free bandage :p

kazic: I think that if they were going to pick a race on the horde side to give paladins to, it should have been something less evil, like the Tauren

Judge: Angel, what are you saying?

nexuscrysix: Having apaldins for the horde equals out for the alliance since both dranie and pallies are tank characters

SaintAvalon: It shouldn't clear all debuffs, and it shouldn't have a time limit only.

[Asguard]ThePres: I dont agree Medros you pay for a service and have every right to stop paying so if you dont like it tough

Black Ranger: I agree with Kazic

Kafziel: paladins take now too damage.. they got an immortality shield.. why so much damage? nurf the time of the bubble.. its sick seeing a paladin fighting agaisnt 6 guys.. healing the others.. refusing to die

Judge: That Hybrids cant fill normal classes roles?

SaintAvalon: Every bubble in the game has a damage limit as well, thats how the pally bubble should work.

apolloiv: Maybe they will introduce new faction specific classes

ravar: i like having paladins on the horde

{TLS}Angel: Im saying that the hybrids

kazic: It just makes more sense that way

{TLS}Angel: can fill multiple roles

Black Ranger: I was kind of confused when the "Bad" race got the "Good" class

windsamurai: well hes a paying customer they should at least listen to him

Sanctimonia: the bubble is there special skill like every other class has one

Judge: Look at the druid, probably the best healer, best tank, and one of the best dps classes

{TLS}Angel: but theyre not better

Dendei: I dont think the Tauren really fit into The Light. They are way too shamenistic to follow that

|AcE|Thakilla: Is it possible for a paladin to shield and do damage at the same time

djpharoh9101: if they do that it would be nice

|AcE|Thakilla: ?

SaintAvalon: Blizzard won't though, shamans are good for there resist totems and there ahnk.

Judge: Angel as of right now druids make better tanks then warriors, hands down

Val727 (aka lucian): Druids are now better tanks than warriors

value: Agreed judge they can spec and do anything well

[r/uho]Gluesticks: yah they can dmg and bubble at the same time

kuremia: agreed

kazic: Ranger, yeah, it seems like Blizzard often destroys their own lore

Black Ranger: Well, to me, the Tauren seem the least "Evil" of the Horde side.

oplinger: druids are crazy tanks now

???Oobeaga ???«»: druids are beast

[Asguard]ThePres: its still theres they can do with teh game as they like. but this is getting off topic

Val727 (aka lucian): thanks to the whole hybrid class buff

SaintAvalon: Heals are rather weak and with out a HoT they can be passed up for a druid/priest.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: New classes might be interesting. Dranei Monk or Blood Elf Pirates anyone?

kazic: I second that, Druids are awesome!

{TLS}Angel: again, specialization answers the question of what a good tank or healer is

windsamurai: shweet lol

{TLS}Angel: in the case of hybrids

nexuscrysix: all races are equal, I bet if the do another expansion, (probable not) it will feature the BE and dranei on opposite siides with new races

windsamurai: pirates arrr

soberphoenix1973: I think that the races are both just trying to survive in a hostile environment. It is only on the pvp side that you see the intense hatred of the races emerge

Dendei: That is true, the Tauren seem to be rather passive in matters between the horde and alliance

???Oobeaga ???«»: well the new HoT pwnz

djpharoh9101: what skill would a pirate class have

Val727 (aka lucian): it aslo comes down to skill, TLS

Judge: Well druid can be feral and fill 2 roles really well, tank and dps

Black Ranger: And healer.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: I agree, i think that tauren are less evil then the trolls, obviously undead, and orcs.

A-Train: What is meant by hero classes?

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Gary: the reason why blizzard has been "lazy" is that they got a big shock when wow came to europe. many more people joined wow then expectet so they had to work on that... that is also why BC was delayed. all the problems wasnt worked out yet

???Oobeaga ???«»: off healer

kazic: It's going to be a while until they add new classes guys, they dtill can't balance what's there

kuremia: Priests are kind of a Hybrid class. Great Healers and good facemelters :-)

apolloiv: Let blizzard see this, We need new factoin specific classes like a dark knight or the horde

windsamurai: prolly swashbuckling alities etc etc

{TLS}Angel: undead arent evil per se

windsamurai: abilities*

SmAsH doesn't the alliance and horde remind you of the axis and the allies during world war 2?

{TLS}Angel: just dead

Sanctimonia: the big problem i dont like is say you have a stock shortsword you can get like 10 s and 50 c for it at TB but you go to outland you can get 1 G for it what the heck

Klaak: completely wrong, val. you cannot say druids are better tanks than warriors! warriors were put in the game AS TANKS. sure skilled druids might be able to tank well but i've seen a lot of terrible warriors tank better than a druid

windsamurai: sort of

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: It also seems as though Alliance remains the dominant (in terms of population) faction on most servers. This can be a real pain for both factions - Horde find themselves often outnumbered in world PvP while Alliance has much longer queues for battlegrounds. Is this something Blizzard should try to address, and if so how?

[RH] Arizth: No. It's not Good and Evil, smash

apolloiv: They did, Blood elfs

Black Ranger: Not on my server. Hehe. WILDHAMMAH!

..? wMute ?..: There's also the aspect of culture in terms of how we approach the game. Americans think one way, so do europeeans and koreans

SmAsH : sure it is

Val727 (aka lucian): I dunno, Klaak

windsamurai: its just like any the binary evil versus good comparision

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: Look at their starting area and the quests, IMO, EVIL

{TLS}Angel: yeah

SmAsH : bad guys

-{GLS}- Seper: horde seems to have an unwritten rule that if your 17 or under you dont pvp

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: The ablity to loot and plunder--oh wait, that's a Rogue

Klaak: horde are mean and gank people.

Val727 (aka lucian): I just had a discussion on that issue today

Blade: Alliance should just reroll

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: they alreday did this by adding a "beutifull" race to the game

???Oobeaga ???«»: ally q's are a pain in the @$$

St(+)rck: No, I think Blizzard has made it as equal as possible.

djpharoh9101: lol with BE thats right everyone wants to be horde now

SmAsH : horde are not mean

{TLS}Angel: more of the....younger folks are attracted to alliance ive found

-{GLS}- Seper: whereas alliance everyone goes and pvps

SmAsH : it is the people who play the horde

Sanctimonia: little kids like allys

soberphoenix1973: is there a way for them to be able to establish a cutoff for the races on each server?

St(+)rck: IT is simply a preference that more people have towards alliance

oplinger: i dont think they -can- address it, people go where they want, but i guess i dont have any reason to add my 2 cents, considering on my server it always seems as if horde outnumber alliance.

Medros: Bringing the BE to the Horde will helpthat a bit, but it will not solve the overall issue

kazic: Angel, that's an interesting phenomenon

[Asguard]ThePres: Unless they started forcing people to pick one faction or another there is not much they can do for this point.

A-Train: Blizzard should be responsible for a player created problem. The one thing they can do is list faction balance on the server screen before new players create a character.

SaintAvalon: I haven't really noticed, the ganking in real world pvp does get annoying, but i think thats more about team play. Alliance chooses to team up with guilds, or other players to accomplish while Horde seem to have that 'we are out numbered why try' thing going.

[r/uho]Gluesticks: blizz should set limits on how bad teh imbalance can go like 2to1 after that only teh lower side can be rolled on other wise it says faction full or something

bahamutbbob: About the newest question: I was surprised that Horde had the Terrokar PvP buff earlier today, alliance ususally has all of the PvP objectives other than in Hellfire

nexuscrysix: true, the alliance features characters that have monster statistivs. Ogres, trolls and more all give in to a negative feel to a gamer who wants to play someone else

Blade: Alliance stand for light, and holyness. Most kids want to be on the good side

albinojason: I would love to be able to change my guy form aliance to horde some times, though that wont happen. I was always on a evenly populated server so i never had a problem

ravar: no they're not and they shouldn't adress it since the alliance are mostly twinks and if they tried to adress that then the alliance wouldn't be always alliance on alot of servers

Dendei: I think they may already have addressed it with Blood Elves. While im sure a lot of the population increase can be attributed to curiousity over the new races, im sure some may find that they really like the horde.

Klaak: alliance responds and causes them grief. angwe is a terrible person who everyone has heard of. people like him ake alliance people gank horde

{TLS}Angel: alliance has nothing to do with holiness

SaintAvalon: If Horde tried, and got a gropu together they are more then capable ive seen it on my server many times.

Judge: I think the simplest solution is having a population ratio limit, if you try to roll an alliance on a server where there is too many alliance it wont let you, maybe offer transfers for alliance but that wont neccessarily solve the problem because as a WHOLE there is more alliance.

St(+)rck: The imbalance does not effect World PvP that much IMO

Medros: the Horde do poorly in World PvP cause they are easily overpowered by numbers, which is something you cann't change

Sanctimonia: "super ugly to look at" that is what the horde is

A-Train: Blizzard shouldn't be responsible that is.

Freyar: As far as the queue issues, maybe there needs to be a balance on the characters. I think maybe restrictions on character classes (or better yet) maybe placing in a system that old "Planetside" did on characters for PVP and PVP combat (world or otherwise) would be a good way to urge players to move to the horde side of things. That said I enjoy playing as horde as well as alliance.

???Oobeaga ???«»: its simply that the alliance looks 5000x better

Val727 (aka lucian): Although, you would need to ask my friend about it, as I've yet to see a warrior to endgame, my friend has a 63 warrior and brought up some seemingly valid points

{TLS}Angel: there are evil people in the alliance as much as in the horde

..? wMute ?..: In the game Planetside, they offered bonuses in terms of which team was outnumbered. Minor percentage differences in experience were given as a bonus in an effort to encourage players to switch to their other characters on the underpopulated team.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: well horde had tauren before bc and tauren druids in bear form are not so ugly .D

nexuscrysix: With BE and pallies on the horde this may give the horde a new name.

apolloiv: No, it won't, or at least not have a long lasting effect. Do you plan to get you Dran or BE up to 60+? probably not because it was a distraction

Sanctimonia: horde is trolls orcs and undead

ravar: yeah but horde has more warriors and hunters

djpharoh9101: it really shouldnt be that way

St(+)rck: Sides aren't always even in war either

apolloiv: Maybe after level 70

kuremia: The reason Alliance has a bigger population is because newer players seem to instantly attracted to it. And, before the BE, Alliance was the "prettier" class.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: Horde druids r ugly in all forms :P

-.a|a.- KD: Alliance is the dominant as far as population goes, yes, but then Horde is dominant in actual skill and experience, most of the Alliance players are under the age of 21, I am not trying to be dumb or anything, but it is actually true, most of the people on Horde are experienced players who have been through the whole MMORPG scene before. Yes, Horde is out-numbered, but if you go into AB or WG, you're going to get your ass beat something horrible if you're an Alliance member, and most of

oplinger: hey some of those orcs arent bad...

djpharoh9101: okay stf has a point

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Aliiance: Human = normal : Night elves = Pretty : Dwarf = somewhat normal : Gnome = Short

Horde: Ugly Ugly Ugly Ugly

{TLS}Angel: besides, what can blizzard possible do about it?

kazic: Basically what happens is casual people are more drawn to attractive looking characters I think, and the hardcore people are more into the intersting races (ugly is interesting)

Black Ranger: The way I see it is that if you want to join your friend's guild after buying the game, you shouldn't have to cross your fingers and hope that you can join the side you want when you create an account. If Blizzard did restrict this, they'd probably be met with a whole bunch of more account-selling, so that people could ideally play on the realms and sides they wanted.

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: To be fair the the alliance = good, they have showed a lot more 'grey' with Warcraft 3 and WoW, which creates a far more realistic environment

djpharoh9101: war aint always even

{TLS}Angel: kick people? force them to switch? i tihnk not

Medros: Very much so

Judge: I think the population dfference on most servers is somewhat negligible to where it wont affect world pvp that much but there are cases where the imbalance can be quite bad

kirnkaterre: It definitely has something to do with aesthetics.

Ruby Moon: We must agree that a lot of people prefer having a cute char rather that a ugly one.

djpharoh9101: and its just like the story to for horde to be the underdog

kazic: It does indeed

???Oobeaga ???«»: ive got both horde chars and ally chars and theres small immature kids on each, just a lil more on allys

..? wMute ?..: i honnestly thought the Horde were more attractive.

Dendei: Good point Apolloiv, some may be too invested in their alliance characters to make the switch

albinojason: go gary kill horde =P

Judge: Horde arent ugly, I dont know what youre talking about

Val727 (aka lucian): I just prefer alliance territories in general

???Oobeaga ???«»: yes they r :P

Medros: The Horde is 10 times the skill that Alliance have in PvP., but they also have a lot better racials and previously had the far better class in PvP

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: so by adding an ugly race to ally and a pretty race to horde chances are more people join horde

Val727 (aka lucian): personally

Judge: only UD are ugly

apolloiv: I wounder why people lable the horde as "Bad guys" not one orc wants to destroy our planet

djpharoh9101: i dont care really

St(+)rck: Who cares about looks, Horde = ugly? Who cares

-.a|a.- KD: The time, both Alliance and Horde are both balanced as far as time goes, Alliance may have a bigger population, but I believe there are more Horde players playing in actual PVP styled events than Alliance.

kuremia: /agree with apolloiv

{TLS}Angel: yeah now its the orcs planet too

Kafziel: i dont think blizzard can do anything about it.. really.. maybe improving the "beauty" of the models.. but i think the BE will balance the population a bit.. since many people from allys who just love elfs will join horde for the BE.

djpharoh9101: i play one till i see everything possible with it

ravar: BE look like humans

Judge: The reason there is more alliance is because of night elves and paladins

Loco: BloodElves are fruitloops

|AcE|Thakilla: I have seen many of my friends from college and work, start playing WoW, and i ask them what kind of character they would like to play and their reasons and they always choose the prettiest and coolest race to play, naturally, most of my real life friends are alliance even though i am a horde player. They ignore me and fancy their pretty female night elves. This is why the original imbalance was created. Ever since the final beta

kazic: Also statistically, there tend to be less horde on a server, so there will be less stupid people in their ranks. More people= greater % of stupid people

Tanky: hey guys

nexuscrysix: most newbs prefer alliance since it looks diffrent, BE gives into an evil version of something like aa nightelf and pallies are for the horde so gamers can play an evil character that looks human enough

-.a|a.- KD: as far as players goes* My bad.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: Some of those UD chicks i find hot in my book ;)

Tanky: /wave

???Oobeaga ???«»: plus who wants to spend forever in the barrens?

value: lol ill be ugly for the racials

..? wMute ?..: The reason for the appeal with the alliance is that many players have a fantasy of being a "hero", i.e, the "good guys"

Sanctimonia: gary is too one sided

Black Ranger: Well, think of it this way. Some could argue that the Horde has a "Badass" factor, while the Alliance has an "Awesome" factor. These two defenitions can appeal to 2 different groups of people.

Sanctimonia: see everything about the horde bad

kazic: I'd be ugly for the racials too

SaintAvalon: Who is Gary Whitta?

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Well, playing on multiple servers, I always seem to find that the population difference doesn't seem to matter as much as the experience. It always seems Horde does well on this one, and Allies always win that one.

oplinger: i chose alliance because my friends were there, and ive always seen horde as pretty quiet, plus with my guild and such, i hardly have time to try out horde really.

soberphoenix1973: or, they could always try to balance it out with quest rewards or a way for specific servers to increase creating a character class so that people could have an incentive to play them

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: From server to server

[Asguard]ThePres: I found it atleast that the alliance has more attraction from many factors: one being that they have more of a please look, two there are moer people so its easier to find groups and most friends are part of the alliance. Also less likely that you will get ganked as an alliance character due to the imbalance

A-Train: If the BE starting zone is any indication they are going to close the alliance/horde gap atleast partially.

kirnkaterre: The funny thing is that while the Alliance is portrayed as 'good', there is quite a bit of nefarious underhandedness going on, that I think will be revealed later as opposed to the open minor 'evils' of the Horde.

apolloiv: There is a good quote for this "WoW isn't about gear, friends or raiding, it's a fashion show"

djpharoh9101: yeah thats why i went alliance

{TLS}Angel: friends are definitely a factor

Klaak: the only reason i rolled alliance was because of the barrens. my first character was horde and i quit at lvl 23

Medros: The horde is EVIL!

Medros: lol

[RH] Arizth: *Sigh* No

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I read the warcraft books. and i for one dosnt see the orcs bad. i see them better then humans actully. reading lord of the clans really made me chance the way i saw the orcs

Tanky: the alliance are EVIL!

Val727 (aka lucian): The barrens chat has scarred many a soul.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: Just misunderstood

{TLS}Angel: lv 23's shouldnt be in the barrens anyways lol

djpharoh9101: but now my friends have blood elves on another server

Sanctimonia: who wants to play a gnome

kuremia: The reason Apolloiv stated is the exact reason I haven't rerolled. I have a few established characters in the Alliance and my whole Guild is on the Alliance... But if I could move my characters and my Guild over to Horde side, I would do it in a heartbeat.

kazic: Kirn everyone's nefarious in war ;)

Loco: i am an orc and i am not evil...except on the weekends...

oplinger: horde AND alliance are evil >>

apolloiv: Thank the lord someone agreed with me

Black Ranger: Someone once quoted a Fort Minor song to me about WoW: "80% gear, 20% skill"

Ruby Moon: Don't joke about it, most of ppl think the horde is still the War 2 horde.

djpharoh9101: i agree with mike

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: tanky YES have you seen how the humans acted when they cought thrall?

nexuscrysix: Since the horde ( especially taurens, orcs and trolls) lookss similair, not many gamers wat to be the and would rather have a priest or a warlock

[WoWInsider]mikeschramm: more like 90% time

djpharoh9101: except in the case of the undead

A-Train: I brake for horde.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: lol /agree black ranger

St(+)rck: You also have to remember that a large demographic of this game is casual gamers, who do not know this pros and cons for each faction. They simply pick the cooloer looking people, and thats Alliance

Klaak: i still had quests there angel and the barrens is for lvl 10-25

Tanky: lol

Freyar: I have to agree with Bill in this case as well. The sterotype of "Good" and "Bad" is difficult to overcome. However after playing a bit of the Horde I find out that the Horde isn't neccisarly as bad. Maybe there needs to be an attempt to show that the Alliance VS Horde thing is really just a clash of ideals rather than a Good or Bad type of fight.

SaintAvalon: You know its a fantasy world, fictional so they can create the lore as they go, its not set in stone so to speak. That means greater use for us the consumers who may not like a certain direction they go.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: yeah my tauren druid is so much evil, that every good person shaken :D

djpharoh9101: that would make a great bumper sticker

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: well no, i take that back actually

kirnkaterre: True, Kazic. Very true.

Blade: If you think about it, Alliance aren't really good and the Horde actually bad. The only reason people see that is because of the fact Horde colors are red and black and look ugly like monsters, and the Alliance flag is blue and golden and they are mostly look like normal people

Tanky: taurens pwn

djpharoh9101: i brake for horde

???Oobeaga ???«»: ya my first char was a shammy, got him to 35, rolled a rogue->ally leveld him to 35, then got a druid to 60 and got him some phat loots, prolly the most fun i had was as a druid

soberphoenix1973: if blizz were to actually promote the benefits of horde, more people would play them

{TLS}Angel: if u look at it, ashenvale is prime for 23s to level

..? wMute ?..: In terms of what the characters are based on, WoW races are based on the concept of Good vs Evil from the tolkien books when really, as our culture as modernized to accept anti-heroes in a more positive manner, I believe people want to see the horde as merely a different political ideology

Dendei: But beyond new races, they could possibly fix this by taking a page from the other faction rewards. People seem to commit themselves quite diligently for faction rewards. Making an alliance member jealous about a faction reward from the horde could make them do the switch

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: thats not necissarly true

Judge: lol

kazic: I think one thing that blizz has done a good job of doing with BC is showing that the whole slant of the war depends on which side's "lenses" you view it through

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: and most of time i picking up the flowers :D

Black Ranger: True

albinojason: lol@ gary

kuremia: Good point Kazic.

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: i think its the opposite, 80% skill 20% gear

..? wMute ?..: lol

Tanky: pfft....the wow cg does NOT promote horde...but alliance

{TLS}Angel: i care about the lore

ravar: this has in the eversong forest chat today(getting as bad as barrens on agamaggan) "the alliace is 80% kids"

djpharoh9101: i care about the lore

kirnkaterre: Oh, the Lore question...

Val727 (aka lucian): I prefer stonetalon for 20-25, but i play rogues primarily, goo grinding there

Val727 (aka lucian): good*

Sanctimonia: a big 0 %

apolloiv: Anyone else thinik the Dra may have something going on in the background, the yare awful concerned about nature after crashing into our planet and what do they do? Holy crap our pants lets help out these guys, nature is important...then you kill some mouths

[RH] Arizth: A skilled player in blues will lose to a unskilled button masher in epix

[RH] Arizth: Fact

kazic: Mute most of WoW lore is taken from Tolkein I think, but then what isn't? Eragon anyone?

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: infernal:

I for one am tired of people asking how to do a quest bechouse they dont want to read the quest. it adds to the story and the story is exciting. i have all the books :D

soberphoenix1973: TO MIKE SCHRAMM: I actually enjoy hearing about the lore in game

SaintAvalon: @@ Teza lets just hope it doesn't mean tons of guys stripping and dancing in every major city because they have no life :|

[Asguard]ThePres: I think about 20% actually care about the story of the game and the lore behind it

djpharoh9101: lol

Judge: I think its 50% gear, 30% class/race 20% skill, and by class and race I mean in wow

Black Ranger: Agreed with Asguard

[Xfire] Supercop007: Please refrain from using excessive caps.

apolloiv: That's why they have RP servers

{TLS}Angel: yeah

djpharoh9101: i really think the lore makes any mmorpg special

[RH] Arizth: Hey, Hey, Hey! Rp servers are fun...

albinojason: i read the quests most of the time, but sometimes i blast through it.

{TLS}Angel: and still a lot of people on the rp servers dont rp

Kafziel: even tho BE will bring more people for the horde.. i would love to see some improving in the Horde models..

Medros: I play a Paladin, and got a shaman deck, like some cruel prank

oplinger: id agree with the 80% gear thing....but i mean..i was a mage in all greens, and i could take out alot of other mages in T1 and T2 >>

[Asguard]ThePres: Even on the RP servers to many people dont follow those rules

djpharoh9101: without it they're all the same

{TLS}Angel: they just go there cause of latency issues or whatever

|AcE|Thakilla: who here favours alliance or horde?

|AcE|Thakilla: just say one side

Sanctimonia: HOrde

|AcE|Thakilla: Horde

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: The story is the fun for me. Like I said earlier, I really feel more involved in the storyline in Outland.

bahamutbbob: On the question mike just asked, I thought it was cool how in old Hillsbrad, you could hear about the forging of the Ashbringer in the Inn, and one of the officers basically got pissed on vent because I was telling other people about it

apolloiv: True, i read the quest, maybe that is why i am level 62 still

soberphoenix1973: alliance

djpharoh9101: im an RP'er i always follow the rules

[Asguard]ThePres: Alliance

Tanky: HORDE!

nexuscrysix: People don't follow rules on a lot of games, WOW is no diffrent

{TLS}Angel: both

Black Ranger: And the fact that Blizzard is really immersive in what it does, in all aspects of everything, is what makes WoW special. They can write a really in-depth, complicated storyline and adapt it so it's fun to play in an MMORPG.

oplinger: i favore neither

Val727 (aka lucian): I favor Alliance.

Ruby Moon: Even our elven languages are Tolkine-based, look at the Lament of the Highborne... no epic fantasy in the world can say is not influenced by tolkien

value: horde racials!

Judge: I hate them both

Medros: Very, very few care about the lore

[WoWInsider]mikeschramm: i agree black ranger

Klaak: i'd actually say more like 50% class, 20% class, 10% location, 15% skill, 5% computer specs

ravar: i read the quest to find out where to go

Medros: sadly

..? wMute ?..: @Kazic, I know, I'm talking about how Players wish to approach WoW. Do they want to see Orcs as "bad guys", or simply political realistis who prefer stability through a more ruthless governmental regime

Blade: hardcore gamers dont just play WoW

[Asguard]ThePres: When I am on RP servers I do to but I find that alot of people dont they just see them as semi empty servers

kazic: The most annoying thing in the whole universe is when someone asks in gen chat where something is, and the answer is in the quest. You can just look at their question and know they didn't even bother to read it

SaintAvalon: I too agree black ranger

Freyar: Per Gary, I do see this kind of thing. I take my time to read the backstory to each quest, however I'm generally listed as a pain according to the rest of the group because I take so long to read it and understanding. Why do something if you don't know WHY you are doing it?

kirnkaterre: I think that more players get into the lore from the simple standpoint of past experiences with the other incarnations of Warcraft.

Klaak: 20% gear*

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: There you go then op, thats my point, even now playing a 63 pally with full greens, i can take out 65's and 67's on horde no problem

Judge: alliance jack my quest mobs and horde gank me in shatar outpost and dont get attacked by guards

apolloiv: But gary, he didn't quest

value: klaak throw internet speed into that as well

Tanky: Has anyone heard of the WoW TCG?

{TLS}Angel: yeah

djpharoh9101: yeah

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Correct. if you dont read the story then wow could just be renamed " Just another MMO"

[RH] Arizth: Turtle mount, plox

ravar: no he just aoe'd the mobs

nexuscrysix: offtopic

djpharoh9101: never played it

Bleach: Yes, I play it

Tanky: what side do they promote most

???Oobeaga ???«»: shaman= 100% luck

Klaak: yeah value, the 5% included all that

bahamutbbob: I, myself, try to read all of the quest text though, I kinda enjoy the stories behind everything, but don't go overboard and make sure it all fits in PERFECTLY with the stuff Blizzard has done in the past

Tanky: horde or alliance

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: i think that tolkien is the reason why most present fantasy looks like they look and keeping the same paradigmas

Black Ranger: Now, here's a question for you guys. Do you think that we should be able to learn other languages? Like, maybe some horde could learn Commonspeak and actually understand what MOS means.

Tanky: i say alliance

{TLS}Angel: stop asking

Blade: How do you figure shaman is 100% luck

kazic: One thing I'd like to know about is, what people think about the "more intamite" approach to instancing. I for one love it!

..? wMute ?..: I don' agree with wow being "another MMO". the game has a lot of visual personality in terms of it's art direction and general design

{TLS}Angel: it doesnt matter

SaintAvalon: @Nimloth - i too don't care to much about the lore, i usually read it outside of game and just skip to "accept quest" that way i can get things done and enjoy myself, the story side i love to read outside and find out why this or that is happening.

djpharoh9101: i read the quest text as well

Tanky: b/c look at the box art

Tanky: a human

Val727 (aka lucian): I thought the defias quest chain was some of the best work up until late-end game quests

oplinger: i read most of the quest text...i also read the books lying around the world...thats like the best part of the game

djpharoh9101: it makes it fun

[Asguard]ThePres: Alot of people run through the game trying to get to teh end game levels and they miss half the story line

St(+)rck: I enjoy the lore

Sanctimonia: you cant play the game that fast all the time or it would lose all fun parts in the game

apolloiv: Man one fort minor quote and the chta becomes % city

Sanctimonia: i love the lore

St(+)rck: I enjoy any type of fantasy

ravar: yeah you should be able to learn other langues so you can talk with allinace and vice virsa

soberphoenix1973: one thing that I like about the mmorpg, is being able to see the visuals and mesh them with the storyline

nexuscrysix: i think lore could be fun if blizz could make it faster for gamers who want a quick experience but a satisfying one

Judge: DEFFINETLY Black Ranger, you have no idea the kind of anarchy and flaming that would result in factions being able to speak to each other

Prime-Target-Finder: you gotta read quest text... otherwise you ask in general what you have to do and people tell you to read the quest text

Kafziel: the majority of the wow population desires PvP in every ways.. so.. the only thing that matters to them its lvling the fast as they can.. to do some pvp.. thats maybe the reason people dont care about the lore.. they want action.. personally.. the lore its one of the most important things when doing a rpg

Ruby Moon: Definitely no, black ranger, the point is in killing without listening to complains

kazic: Ranger, I thought at one time they were going to include lang learning, but I dunno if I heard wrong or if they just took it out.

Judge: verbal harrasment would increase 10 fold

Val727 (aka lucian): I have a question

value: they should just put in an ingame lore thing like old eq

Tanky: if blizzard promoted the horde more....i wonder what would happen....

SaintAvalon: @Gary i'll let you know when i meet them.

Judge: wait I meant deffinetly not

Judge: my bad

Sanctimonia: it is cool having to go and kill harpies in Stone talon and hear about how they are invanded certain areas

*Team ߊ.|Nigh7ma®³: I know someone named Oprahwindfury...

djpharoh9101: that would be interesting

nexuscrysix: rweading quest text is annoying but needed, ,maybe they can go oblivion and have it popup as you go, lol

[r/uho]Gluesticks: I think so that blizz has people get more into the lore they should have cutscenes for certain quests that you cant skip

Val727 (aka lucian): Does it seem odd to anyone that Blood Elves magically unlearned common?

Prime-Target-Finder: lol

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: there are also alot of star trek people

[Xfire] Debateox: QUESTION ROOM WILL OPEN IN 5 - 10 MIN

kazic: lol

{TLS}Angel: err...offtopic

Freyar: If I don't read the quest text, I end up doing the same thing that I'm doing when I play UT2004... "Why am I fighting, and why am I doing this?" After questioning that, the game loses it's charm, and it's not as fun.

soberphoenix1973: I was disappointed in the first release of wow because after lvl 30, there was no more lore for a druid

apolloiv: What about the Star Trek referance in BB

[RH] Arizth: A little...But the undead it it as well

Judge: lol Val

Val727 (aka lucian): what? just wondering....SD

Val727 (aka lucian): XD*

oplinger: all the races unlearned common..they all spoke to humans in one way or another, unless my memory just sucks

[Asguard]ThePres: There are alot of references around to pop culture

apolloiv: Also the spirt healer you can only see when dead on top of that mountain

Val727 (aka lucian): true

Black Ranger: Well, in my opinion, Blizzard is/was putting a lot of emphasis on the Night Elfs, so many people would do that.

Ruby Moon: They doesnt magically forgot common, just the part of the population that knew common was destroyed, at least its what they say

nexuscrysix: reminds me, with BC thiers not much references to pop culture

nexuscrysix: darn it

SaintAvalon: I find a lot of the quests dull, i am more interested in getting to new area's and playing with friends/meeting new people.

Black Ranger: And people would choose gnomes because of their speed.

nexuscrysix: back to the lores

apolloiv: I believe it was a tribute to an artist that died while making the game

djpharoh9101: i like questing

Val727 (aka lucian): Yes, it was.

ravar: that was a tribute to a dead bliz employee who died durning wow development

St(+)rck: Like Harris Pilton labaled as a "Socialaite" in the World Tavern

Judge: I cant even remember the original topic

Judge: weve drifted so far

t4sthesith: lotta stuff

..? wMute ?..: I think it was about alliance vs horde population

djpharoh9101: wow has good questing

Val727 (aka lucian): I've just been going with it

Black Ranger: More alliance than horde

oplinger: i think they need to change Dirty Larry's name....just considering how many kids play...and how warped the minds of the young are...

djpharoh9101: ive seen better but wow has good questing

ravar: i don't think it was

Black Ranger: Like trogdor

bahamutbbob: Elementao Lord != God in my opinion

bahamutbbob: *Elemental

djpharoh9101: i dont think wow owns

kazic: I personally like the fact that blizzard has a sense of humor and that it shows in their work, it doesn't take me out of the game at all. Seeing some guy named Steal Your TV does that all by itself

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: the caverns of time is fun way to go back in time to the books and games

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: As a hardcore PvPer who loves the thrill of knowing that you can be attacked at almost any moment, PvE to me seems crushingly dull by comparison. And yet it’s still considered the “Normal” server type. Will PvP ever become more mainstream, or will it always remain the choice of hardcore players only?

nexuscrysix: and having them easier will make peole not mess up

googleplexdude: I like the quests because theyre fun and its also fun to challenge yourself by getting to 70 and also meeting new people is fun.

Klaak: i think one of the big weakpoint is character creation...i mean how many different tauren and troll combinations can you come up with...

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: Lore wise I liked how in WoW Vanilla, if you pieced together, a lot of the story was linked together, ie Nefarion and Onyxia manipulating Stormwind and through it the Alliance

Val727 (aka lucian): the Evil Dead references are great.

{TLS}Angel: i believe its getting more mainstream every day

albinojason: im not to hard core but i love pvp

Sanctimonia: PVP is for hardcore only

ravar: no i'm not a hardcore player and i play on a pvp server

albinojason: and also pve

Judge: lol

t4sthesith: WoW is fun; but cant play it for more then 5 hours max time

Tanky: I believe PvP will become mainstream

djpharoh9101: i think its always gonna remain hardcore

djpharoh9101: thats how it should be

apolloiv: My server seems to suck at both, but PVP works like PVE only that big bad boss isn't AI, it's another person

[RH] Arizth: Hardcore? No. Some people enjoy safety in grinding, and pvping only when they want to.

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: Sure, PvP is the most popular server type

Prime-Target-Finder: PvP gonna come into force once people hit 70 i reckon

Loco: WoW seems to be more of a PVE based game

..? wMute ?..: I think self-awareness / pop-culture-references are always good in games since it's a constant reminder from developpers to users and saying 'hey, we dont take our fantasy world seriously, so don't'

oplinger: i love PvE, it doesnt lose any sort of thing to me...because i wont miss getting ganked 24/7 in westfall...

Tanky: ....PvE...is boring

t4sthesith: PvP will probably WILL become mainstream

rycher88: RP sucks

Tyranuus\\\\Alex: PvP can be fun, but after a while its very very boring

soberphoenix1973: I feel that pvp is a choice each gamer has, but it leans towards the hardcore because of time constraints

-.a|a.- KD: This all comes down to players prefernece.

SaintAvalon: I think its for more hardcore players for one reason alone, and thats the time/aggrivation that has to go into it. For instance i go to TM to do a quest, and alliance are up there killing me for an hour. I get a quest done or log off thinking its more of a choor.

t4sthesith: it is a VERY PvP game

djpharoh9101: you ever play lineage 2

St(+)rck: Yeah, PVP is definately the most popular realm type IMO

nexuscrysix: Its not just for hardcore, gamers choose PVE so they could get useed to it

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: PvP is much more fun

[RH] Arizth: Though, I HAVE run into quite a few low level Horde in contest zones that begged for my axe.

djpharoh9101: anyserver you can be attacked at any moment

[RH] Arizth: contested*

{TLS}Angel: yeah pvp is tons of fun, cause u get to pwn actual people

Tanky: PvE is good for newbs

Blade: PvP is for the players who love to gank, you take the ganking in the begginning when you are leveling just to have the joy have running around and killing all those in your path

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I choose PVP as the first thing. i dont see the point in walking around jhilsbrad and waving the the orcs and tourans... it seems stupid in a way. the only bad thing you can do i /spit them

[Asguard]ThePres: I think its wrong to believe PvP for only hardcore players I consider myself more casule and I love PvP but I also love to sit back and play with out worring about being ganked so I do think PvP will increase in popularity but it wont take over

Judge: Raiding is NOT dull in my opinoin, what makes it dull from a pvp perspective is the fact that it takes like 7 hours of doing the same exact thing

Sanctimonia: PVP will mainstream because i just cant see anybody wanting to not be able to attack a opppstion faction

djpharoh9101: that doesnt seem cool to me

oplinger: but, all in all, i would have to say RP is possibly the best

Prime-Target-Finder: cos theres a lotta new world pvp, new BG, which should attract people to pvp... oh and dont forget arenas

Val727 (aka lucian): @ rycher, why exactly does rp suck?

Black Ranger: I wait for the day where there's an MMO where you can get killed anywhere anytime. If someone comes into your town and wants to kill you, they should be able to kill him whether or not he's got PVP enabled or not. I mean, in the real world, you don't ask someone before you kill them.

?pf??tiø?: PvP is fun most of the time untill you get attacked while trying to do a quest :P

bahamutbbob: In response to Bill's comment, if I see a flagged horde, I go after them, no matter what :P

soberphoenix1973: however, I haven't tried the token system now and since the pvp has been revamped, it is more enticing to the casual gamer

Val727 (aka lucian): it can be a great experience provided good company

Judge: if raids were shortened, heck even remove ALL but a few trash mobs then raiding could be the norm

t4sthesith: Has a story to promote PvP, it is only MMO i know of that makes PvP posssible for most any level, with the arena stuff and the battle fields i believe

ravar: i hate the people who don't think that there should be pvp servers only normal servers

SaintAvalon: I am a hardcore player in that i raid and devote a LOT of time to the game, but i can't stand a PVP server. There is just to much 'kill him because i can'. Why? I would rather have fun, and play. I don't want to have to look over my shoulder all the time.

Loco: PVP realms may be the most popular but that doesnt mean there is true PVP on the server, a lot of it is just ganking people

{TLS}Angel: the entire game is pretty much based on the HordevAlliance war, why wouldnt people like PvP?

Tanky: Doing raids and BGs are awesome

t4sthesith: WoW was built for PvP

djpharoh9101: the mmo where you can kill anywhere anytime is lineage two

albinojason: the only problem i find with my pvp server is being jumped when i have no mana =( i makes me a sad panda

|AcE|Thakilla: I consder PVP servers to be the normal kind of server because pvp servers are all much more populated due to the survival of the fittest mind set maintained by many gamers, Gamers just arent fun if you arent beating other players at the game.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Well, I hate nothing more than getting halway thru a dungeon, and I get ganked. But you get an adrenaline rush when you hear that noise behind you.

[Asguard]ThePres: I thihk the outlands made a great PvP advancement though in all servers

nexuscrysix: Newbs will go PVP not because they turned hardcore, but because they want to try to help the horde/alliance

value: raiding is a total time commitment

Freyar: PVP over the world is a great idea, however if you don't have emphasis on PvE first, you'll lose some non-hardcore people. That's not to say that PvP is bad, but for people who aren't ready for it, it can be very frustrating to deal with the opposite faction especially if you have something in mind to do.

SaintAvalon: Basicly to me PvP server amounts to being in the Ghetto of New York... Why go there? Just because of the excitement of what may be waiting gfor you?

kazic: I prefer to think of normal as "Casual" which is what WoW was made for, it is the realm for the normal player, not the guy or gal that wants to spend 2 hours completing a 10 min quest because they keep getting ganked

apolloiv: What about the PvP gear people had pre BC, who didn't do battlegrounds then for the armor?

value: pvp you can just pick up anytime

Kafziel: more and more people come to WoW for the PvP more then for PvE.. so i would say PvP will be the "normal" servers. not to mention people like to gank x)

lennyvolk: I like PvP the same as I like spicy food, only once and a while because it tears me up. I'm on a RP server because I love the story and the lore. The PvE combat is a means to an end to learn more of the story. The only lore about PvP is that opposing factions hate each other.

Judge: but they have deffinetly tried to make pvp more mainstream with the world pvp objectives, especially since some of them actually effect raids such as in Auchindoun and the obtaining of spirit shards

Dendei: PvP seems like it will always remain a choice. The reason being is that there is still a fair group of people who debatably out number PvPers who love PvE only. Blizzard has tried many times to change how PvE'ers feel about PvP, but it never seems to stick.

Val727 (aka lucian): What are everyone's feelings on the rage normalization?

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I'm not sure it is so much "hardcore" players as the type of players who like the extra thrill and challenge.

DaFox: How many of you guys use custom interface addons? (More then 5!)

Bleach: PVP is for those who want the thrill of being able to jump right into PVP at anytime while questing, etc... I know many hardcore pvpers that play on normal just because the hastle of trying to level while also getting ganked is a pain in the butt. I, myslef am a Hardcore pvper but I chose to play on a Normal server because of the people who like to ruin others gamin by killing people 10+ levels lower than them

-.a|a.- KD: There is really no such thing as a "hardcore gamer". It's not really how HARD we play the game, but what type of game-play we prefer to partake in. The people who are more imaginative and prefer to live a world outside of their own, escape a job or something of the sort would prefer PVE, or perhaps the RP servers that would still allow them to escape the anger and or frustration that their life could play on them. Joining a PVP server when your life is already frustating enough could cause

djpharoh9101: i dont like getting my ass kicked

kirnkaterre: How does this question relate to the RP/PVP realms? What do you all think about that?

djpharoh9101: that the pve opinion

oplinger: PVP is great and all, but the assholes really mess up the experiance for me, and i know plenty of people who agree with that, and to those that dont...all i will say...is..."STV"

..? wMute ?..: Using an example from another game, Guild Wars, there always seems to have been some conflict in terms of PVP and PVE Players. For some reason, they firmly believe that one is better than the other. I think many people prefer realistic worlds where you can be attacked at any time. on the other hand, some prefer being on their own or "living out an adventure". There won't be a shift in paradigm unless there's a major shift in the types of Users there are who play the game

nexuscrysix: They may be afraid however on how thier character can be and might not want ot be killed by a group of level 60-70 players. Though thats rare and once newbs know that, they will join up on PVp

kazic: Dunno if I'd cal it "thrill" so much as "Aggrivation"

Kafziel: i believe many players just do PvE to gather epix to PvP better..

Blade: Its the differance in saying, Do you like to take the ganking in the begginning and then gank all those in your path at the end as return, Or would you rather just play through the game and be friendly to all those around you

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bahamutbbob: Teza: everyone knows who you are, you're in one of the top guilds in the world, they'd love to say "I've killed a member of Curse" because I know I'd like to say that :P

Klaak: PvP is becoming more and more easy. People used to spend months working to get GM gear which can now be attained in a week or two. PvE will get old in this game imo because raids are so small so people will stop raiding and want to pvp to show off their gear

Tanky: oh.....there ARE hardcore gamers

t4sthesith: WoW is just made for it. that is all there is to it. PvP will probably become more mainstream in next expansion, and when such happens, the game will be able to diliver a story. you can BUILD your talents and such for PvP specifically

{TLS}Angel: its only aggrivation when u cant win

Dendei: Though i dont feel that you have to be "hardcore" to be into PvP, its simply a choice like PvE is

SaintAvalon: I did the pvp thing and i quit wow for 3 months because it became a choor. i couldn't enjoy the game because to many people had a 'thrill' killing a level 28 while they where level 56.

bahamutbbob: And I've killed Tivoli before, no joke

Tanky: look at the koreans and the other azns

ravar: the games lore is about alliance vs horde

Gamefreak: Personally: why play PvE and cough up $15 a month? Couldn't one just play an offline game? MMORPGS are all about interacting with other real people, both positive and negative interactions. One can't appreciate the good without the bad.

-.a|a.- KD: some potential problems, imagine having one more kill to finish that quest, you're already steaming at the neck, you get ganked by a Horde before you're able to finish the monster off, and there you lay, and you're not so pissed off you just want to quit WoW.

[RH] Arizth: RP-PVPV is simply an RP server with PVP rules. There no difference about it except you have much better RP possibilitys when you are out decapitating wittle Hordies.

Ruby Moon: You cannot compare with Guild Wars, they even have seperate areas and characters, the engine is completely difrerent

soberphoenix1973: I personally enjoy pve more than pvp because it is a lot harder to enjoy the game because the enemy will constantly just stand over your corpse and kill you every time that you rez

kazic: How does everyone feel about teir 2 gear become obselte within the 1st few BC levels?

[RH] Arizth: RP-PVP*

SaintAvalon: Now i don't have to worry, and with more and more pvp content being added, including world pvp it makes it even more accessable to the rest of us.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: the fun thing about PVP is walking in the forrest and in the far horizen you see 3 charecters come on there mounts all with red names. you run into the firrest and hide behind a tree and hope that you arnt spottet. That is a thrill you simply cant get in "normal" playing

{TLS}Angel: i agree with gamefreak

[Asguard]ThePres: I personally enjoy PvE more then PvP you get more out of the story and if you remember Warcraft 1-3 the horde and alliance mainly worked together towardsa a common goal not fighting eachother

nexuscrysix: besides you can switch between PVE and PVP, no one is forcing gamers to stay on only PvE

t4sthesith: the games whole BASE story is about PvP, now it is nice that PvP isnt the only option

apolloiv: PvP isn't my spice of life, i like it as a lock, I know there is a class that can kill me(well more than one) but i can kill them right back

{TLS}Angel: if i wanted to kill a comp, id just play some offline game

SaintAvalon: And i think you will find more 'casuals' drifting over to PVP servers as they see what pvp is about, and others staying away from it.

Black Ranger: I agree. Actually having to take action when you

Judge: I think the reason a lot of people choose to stay out of pvp is because some people try to take the fun out of it, aka griefing. Killing you over and over with multiple people, attacking you when your almost dead, or fighting mobs. When people pvp in a situation where its relatively even its much more fun

t4sthesith: If PvP was it, i would never pay for this much each month

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I agree Angel

{TLS}Angel: not pay for a game

.dm.osatox: thing is if the game was base about PVP, then why (previously) was there a restriction for raiding cities with the whole "citizen" thing

Blade: Sure in PvE you can stay flagged and get people to go flagged as well, but that is not as good as a feeling when you know the person doesn't even expect anything and then BAM! ambush crit for 4k

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: What do you think of the Arenas so far? I’m glad Blizzard introduced something like this as even moreso than the battlegrounds it seems like a great way for rival players to really settle disputes over who are the best PvPers.

Bleach: PVP is also an alternative to PVE, of course you will need to level through PVE first to be able to PVP, but I believe PVP is the reward that you can get for doing all that leveling

St(+)rck: I myself haven't played any arenas, waiting for my 70

oplinger: Gamefreak: why not focus more of friendships instead of killing other people? you can still interact with people on a normal server, it isnt devoid of people

soberphoenix1973: I definitely agree with judge on that

..? wMute ?..: I compare it to guild wars in terms of the "conflict between different user bases". As in, you can never find a compromise. Not just GW, but any other MMORPG as well.

[Toast]sleepyperson2: the area is good

Val727 (aka lucian): If you think about it, isn't the whole rift between the factions due to misunderstandings?

Black Ranger: I haven't really tried it yet

Sanctimonia: arenas are nice

{TLS}Angel: arenas are good

djpharoh9101: i like arenas

apolloiv: Arenas are the CSS into the game where you die once your out to the old UT of AV and such

ravar: the arenas are pretty fun but i wouldn't do them all the time

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: yeah arenas are probably good idea, cause when i was fighting in battlegrounds i had no chance without a good equip

Tanky: /agree

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: But wow is not only about killing. wow is also about the communety. some times its nice just to sit and talk :-p

Black Ranger: So I can't really touch into them

googleplexdude: wonder if they'll ever be an end to the war against the alliance and horde?

Freyar: I'd like to play with the arenas, but I'm still of course, in no position to try.

Judge: warriors = gimp in arena

t4sthesith: arenas are AWESOME idea

nexuscrysix: The gamers who choose PvE are the ones going to new lands ad want to make sure they won't end up getting mobbed or anything like that. In a month or so, gamers will know enough about the area and PvP a little. Then go to another area

djpharoh9101: thats better to me

{TLS}Angel: its good to have the only objective being to kill the other people

djpharoh9101: one death

nexuscrysix: true that

t4sthesith: i hate fightin in field unless max level of that set

Val727 (aka lucian): Arenas bring a great new facet to PvP

Gamefreak: Games are all about comparing yourself to other people: everyone's goal is to be richer, stronger, faster, smarter. I'm glad Blizzard has embraced competition in all of these areas!

{TLS}Angel: its like world PvP only better

value: agreed judge

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: Yeah, I like the short battle time

t4sthesith: is very difficult

Val727 (aka lucian): but the cost for a team charter is rediculous

Sanctimonia: arenas make it so you dont have to play battlegrounds you can get like 10 battles in the arena before you can get 1 in battlegrounds

nexuscrysix: They should have battle arenas, like mini instances

t4sthesith: indeed val

kuremia: I don't think the Arena is THE place to prove you're the best PvPer. It just means you have the best class and so does your partner.

A-Train: Im actually excited about arena more then any other aspect of BC it seems innovative in the ladder system it uses.

Judge: have you seen in the blades edge arena when the mages will jump on that concrete post and you cant jump over cuz your slowed?

Val727 (aka lucian): I love being able to 1v1 other chars though

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: and the balancing of the queues by having alliance fight alliance as well as aliance fighting horde

nexuscrysix: Where you can refight bosses

bahamutbbob: About the Arenas, aside from randomly getting disconnected sometimes pre-TBC, I loved the 2v2 arenas, that's probably most of what I'm gonna do when the seasons start up is 2v2

Klaak: i don't like arenas. it's too gear dependent IMO

Dendei: I dont think Blizzard has shown us the full scale of where they intend to take PvP. We may see a day where even the most diehard PvE'er loves to PvP

soberphoenix1973: I am glad that the arena's are around, but again I am behind in levels from most people so I would wait til I hit the level cap again

Tanky: only thing bad i heard about the horde is........

oplinger: not at all Gamefreak, sometimes its fun to work together with other people, not make them feel inadiquate

Tanky: they gank for no reason

Tanky: :\\\\

[Toast]sleepyperson2: i think blizzard should make a better pvp

kazic: Arenas seem to be Blizz's answer to the hardcore pvper's desire, as opposed to just making new battle grounds. I know plenty of people make BG groups and they only roll with them, but now that you can have actual teams, it makes it a lot easier

SaintAvalon: I agree world pvp plus it now allows us that don't normally find a thrill in ganking to go kill when we are ready to.

Ruby Moon: tanky, the alliance gank too for no reason

t4sthesith: so true sleepyperson, getting there though

{TLS}Angel: what culd they possibly do to improbe it?

[RH]Yragorn: i th8ink blizzard should keep it the way it is

Klaak: exactly kazic

{TLS}Angel: improve*

albinojason: /agree kazic

Bleach: Arenas are fun, but they seem more gear dependant, with fewer opponents, those with better gear will dominate most of the time, whereas in Battlegrounds you have people you stick with and its not about 2v2, but grouping so its more like 10vs10 or 15vs15

SaintAvalon: I say those that hate PvE should just ignore it, no reason to call us pussies or such things just because they think we can't handle it :|

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: The arena is also a nice way to get freinds go together even though they are in the same faction

Blade: In PvE you the whole reason the other person goes flagged is because they think they can beat you, In PvP the only the person can do is run away if they can

t4sthesith: Hopefully next expansion that is made will make PvP very nice

Freyar: @Gamefreak The only problem with that is that players can get discouraged when they can't seem to do any good. For instance with issues pertaining to specialized PvP characters at level 19 (I want to refrain from using the term "Twink") It still seems like those characters aren't even on the same level.

Gamefreak: oplinger: in that instance you're still comparing yourself. Are you better at teamwork than the "other team"? Are you better than the designers of the dungeon? Were you smart enough to get through? Comparisons dont just arrise on a 1v1 or player vs player basis

Tanky: Ruby, I agree

.dm.osatox: 1 think i think Blizzard should do is let there be a "solo" arena. The way it is going now is you require to be in a team of 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5.

[Toast]sleepyperson2: PvP is good but you should get some of there gold and items

Tanky: with the alliance statement

{TLS}Angel: naha

oplinger: but then why is it useless to pay to play on a PvE server..?

{TLS}Angel: people would quit the game

..? wMute ?..: Considering Warcraft's history as an RTS game, PVP should always be considered. Just the name War Craft is enough to suggest some level of large-scale conflict

A-Train: I agree nimloth Arena lets the hardcore PvPers shine whereas old pvp was just a grindfest.

{TLS}Angel: if u lost items to people

djpharoh9101: crap i have a class to get to nice debating with you guys

.dm.osatox: The way thats going is you have to rely on other classes/players to assist you in PvP. Yet prior to TBC, you can be a solo player all the way.

[Toast]sleepyperson2: no a even just get to take one of there items

Ruby Moon: there are no faggot faction, but there are a lot of faggot players on both

apolloiv: The warlock free shard thing is nice in arenas

?pf??tiø?: If you lost items to people it wouldnt matter since they are soulbound.

Gamefreak: Because by playing PvE you're limiting yourself to only being better than a computer :)

Judge: lol

Tanky: Ruby, you speak teh truth

{TLS}Angel: I mean, its just not fun to work for 5 hours to get some epic item and lose it to a lock or a pally

t4sthesith: PvP needs to also work to get AWESOME rewards. then again, hunters would begin to get FREE riches

|AcE|Thakilla: I believe that most gamers play games for fun yes? Gamers like having fun by causing the misfortune of others and such ganking was born and competitive leveling on pvp servers with great hostility. Its exciting and fun for those who love the extra challenge of having more than just a computer to fight against which is hence why its called a Multiplayer game

Tanky: now we have nubs on both sides

lennyvolk: I'm at work still, it was a little difficult to explain to my boss what I was doing...

t4sthesith: lol

Judge: haha

Bleach: No matter what everyone says, PVP is all about gear, yes it does take some skill but with better gear you have the ability to survive longer.

apolloiv: No they can't, end of question

oplinger: PvE is more like selective PvP though :P so technically no.

ravar: its nto really cheating they just have no life

.dm.osatox: If you lose items by PvP, it wouldnt really be fair or make sense. Lets say someone gets Thunderfury or some red ranked artifact and they are just AFK. They get ganked? There goes his items.

Freyar: Unlike say CS:S, you don't necissarily have an equal footing, and that's the problem with these kinds of arenas. That's not to say that it shouldn't happen, but it's still a problem that needs to be seen.

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: What’s your take on the whole gold-farming issue? I’m someone who has come out publicly against it, I personally think it damages the game and really is just another form of cheating. Does anyone here though think that goldfamers/powerlevelers and the people who use those services can be defended?

Klaak: i believe powerlevelers and gold farmers are fine.

Sanctimonia: no

Tanky: ever since BE Pallys came to horde....12 year old noobs came to horde

Gary Whitta: no they're not

Gary Whitta: ;-)

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I think goldfarming is runing the economy. And I am quite sick of going to the mailbox to see a note from some gold site.

{TLS}Angel: Heck, Id do it to avoid working

Sanctimonia: you should have to work on getting your own gold

Val727 (aka lucian): Second that, TAW.

windsamurai: yeah

Sanctimonia: and get your own lvls too

{TLS}Angel: Make some money here and there

[Asguard]ThePres: Gold farmers need to stop ruining the economy of the game It slows down the progression of everyone who really decides to enjoy the game

SaintAvalon: I despise gold farming to sell for money, i farm and i think there are a lot that do, but they do it so they can get an uber item, or something they really want. But it hurts the games economy when your hard work at getting mats for something now is worthless because so many people are doing it just so they can sell gold online.

apolloiv: okay i will try. Maybe you are a player that doesn't have a lot of time and you are loaded and you have nothing better to spend your money on then you buy gold

Val727 (aka lucian): with outland, it's so easy to make gold anyway

Tanky: Gold Farming is teh suck

windsamurai: stupid rich ppl with their ebay gold

soberphoenix1973: no, just screws with the economy and will drive people away that enjoy getting the rewards the hard way

Klaak: how many peole woulld have gotten epic mounts without gold famers?

Gamefreak: I think gold farming and spamming/soliciting are seperate isssues

[RH] Arizth: Goldfarming is good, IMO. It lets those who have no time to grind buy it offa Ebay.

Ruby Moon: They destroy the economy, making the prices go higher in the older servers.

[RH]Yragorn: no not really, because the one who is goldfarming is passing his time doing it

-.a|a.- KD: I hav enothing against gold farming, simply because I've never had any problems wiht them.

..? wMute ?..: Goldfarming is commonly associated with Real Money Trade. In other words, it's against the ToS and should be eliminated.

nexuscrysix: Goldfarming is ofcourse famous in China and according to MTV's coveragee on it they work hard for it

windsamurai: bah

-.a|a.- KD: ?

SaintAvalon: I think and will continue to think peole should be banned for selling gold/advertising gold.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I tried to knock down gold sellers on the offical wow forum. and i was ganked... i mean ganked real hard y both factions. never have i tried something like that

A-Train: Gold farming is ruining ingame economy IMO. Mybe not so much now because BC prices havent stabilized yet but eventually gold farmers wil cause price increases.

Tanky: berb

Black Ranger: It seems to me that gold farming and selling accounts seems to cheapen the whole point of the game, except to make more gold, thus selling it to farm more. If you

ravar: alot because of the new honor system

windsamurai: no skill whatsoever

[RH]Yragorn: no not really

?pf??tiø?: Goldfarming should be illegal. :D

[RH] Arizth: Some people don;t have time to Grind all day. And I know, I've tried

value: ebay banned it

St(+)rck: Gold farming is bad...Its giving people who sit on a computer all day, playing a game thats not theirs, a job

Black Ranger: 're not going to play the game... why spend more money on it?

Sanctimonia: Goodfarming is not good it is a way to take the fun out of the game

apolloiv: Gold farming is the gameshark for your metal gear

windsamurai: and it wrecks the economy

Freyar: GoldFarming can ruin the economy becuase there is virtually an unlimited supply of gold in the form of vendored equipment and the like. If the amount of gold was limited to a dynamic economy set up by just the players, then I doubt it'd be as much of a problem.

Val727 (aka lucian): Gamefreak

Bleach: Third-party leveling services and goldselllers are ruining the economy of the game, It ruins all aspects of the game that Blizzard has put into it.

oplinger: goldfarming is not a problem imo, they are still workign to get the money...so its not ruining the economy, its just inflating it through normal means, powerleveling on the other hand im strongly againt, its the reason you have level 60 noobs alot of time, and why most people dont know how to play their class

lennyvolk: I'm opposed to goldfarming and powerleveling in the highest possible degree because it imposes unnatural elements into the game in terms of players, gear, and gold

Gamefreak: Its supply and demand -- if you have a way to transfer gold or items in game THERE WILL BE a way around it (ie eBay)

t4sthesith: powerleveler's and goldfarmers have there own problem. it is their choice, and they just decide to make it very easy for themselves, no challange just to get the high level and money right off.

Val727 (aka lucian): How do you feel about powerleveling?

[RH]Yragorn: because the person who is goldfarming is usinghis game time for it

Dendei: I honestly cant find it in me to have one shred of compassion for gold farmers and the players who use their services. I have always felt it is best to earn things yourself, and never find the easy way out. On top of that, it makes the ingame economy go haywire sometimes, increasing inflation at an alarming rate in some cases

Val727 (aka lucian): specifically on PvP servers

Klaak: people are paying real life money for it...it's they're money and if people can make a profit off of it then go for it

Sanctimonia: powerlving is stupid

SaintAvalon: I don't like powerleveling either, you should play the game for yourself

oplinger: how is gold farming unnatural?

Judge: well like anyone they CAN be defended, however they are really startingto ruin the game. The constant spam, the letters in my mailbox, it can be compared to the current state of most filre sharing programs, no matter what you search for you will get the same like 500 results that are all like 100 kb's, which are of course spyware

windsamurai: well its helping the establishment of sweatshop in china

Gamefreak: I think its silly to limit it, at least embrace it and give it some form of legitimacy like some other games have done (Second Life anyone?

Klaak: i think it's great val

[RH]Yragorn: he is working ''hard'' to obtain a huge amount of money

value: ebay banned the selling of ingame items

kazic: Gold farming ruins the wow economy, which is why I can't stand those who buy it. You're fueling the destruction of the game you play, and giving more incentive to people to hack accounts

soberphoenix1973: I can't believe that I still get spam in my mailbox about how to get easy gold

SaintAvalon: If you hvae to pay someone else to play YO*UR game... why are you um, owning it?

{TLS}Angel: powerleveling sucks, gold farming is fine

[RH] Arizth: HOW does it RUIN the Econamy? ALL of the gold baught goes back to vENDORS, which DELETES it, or is distributed to othe rplays, and ENTERS THE MONEY CYCLE

Klaak: i had my priest powerleveled through STV

Sanctimonia: why pay to have a lvl 70 character because you dont want to put the effort in

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: GoldSelling is agisnt the rules in World Of Warcraft. i have talked to some GM¨s on the issue and they say that they ban people everytime they try to sell gold

djpharoh9101: true it only improves the economy

.dm.osatox: I myself am Chinese American. I play the game and I farm my own gold, buy my own items from the AH, etc. But I get spammed with players that send mail or tells about "china farmer" sites etc. and it gets very annoying. People on every server I have played on, discriminate against me because I have a lot of time (I go to college btw), and because I am so good at playing my class, and farming. They hate me because of my real life race.

[RH]Yragorn: And the persone paid to play, his right to do whatever he wants ( not hacking )

bahamutbbob: Gold Farming? It's fine that they get room and board to play on a computer 12 hours a day, it's supposed to be better than most work you can get in places like that, but GTFO my game, honestly, I'm glad eBay pulled all that crap

Gamefreak: Blizzard could definitly do it their own way and rake in a lot more money to upgrade servers or such

[Asguard]ThePres: Also is it worth 500 Dollars to level from 1-70 with the chance of loosing all that money if the account gets band. Its rediculus in my opinion paying for a game.\\\\

Dendei: Not exactly Arizth, some gold goes back into player hands in the sale of BoE's

windsamurai: well it allows some people to exclusively have an advantage over others

t4sthesith: The only thing i HATE about powerleveling is the fact that people destroy your quest before you can touch any of the enemies, making it VERY difficult to complete many quests

Black Ranger: It's paying people to play the game for you, which, to me, is rather stupid.

apolloiv: I love the barrens chat spam, gives me something to look at

Klaak: why put up with the ganking? powerleveling is much easier

SaintAvalon: @@ Garry agree, i get letters in my mailbox almost daily.

Judge: I think the journey to 70 is its own reward, plus leveling your own toon deffinetlly makes it feel like your character

Val727 (aka lucian): I think powerleveling AND gold farming are both offensive, powerleveling to 70 on a PvP server is kind of like favoritism at work

?pf??tiø?: the point of the game is to get the gold yourself and powerleveling doesnt make sence because where is the fun in the game if your dinged to 70?

kazic: Asguard I totally agree

value: lol im sick of getting the gold farmer's letters in my mailbox

t4sthesith: exactly

Val727 (aka lucian): Certain people don't do anything

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I could explain how it ruins the game economy, but it would take more than the space I can type here

{TLS}Angel: Favoritism?

[RH] Arizth: Yes, I mentioned it going back into the Money cycle, which means into other players hands. It's still server gold

Freyar: As for power levelers, "Why play the game at this point"? It's a major problem in terms of experience. Why would it be fun to have someone play your character (thus ending up with a security flaw), and then finding your character to be level 60, 70 whatever. You won't know how to use your character, and won't know how the character should be used in the first place. What if it is specialized in a wrong method? What can you do? Of course pay the fee, but it's still a problem as you aren't --

Freyar: used to how your character fights.

t4sthesith: NO fun if you INSTANTLY almost just hit 70 right off

Val727 (aka lucian): but the others have to sweat through all the challenges

[WoWInsider]mikeschramm: you guys are going wild in here :)

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: and talking about gold selling. who here wants to see the message "GO to peons3hire and get gold when ever you desire

{TLS}Angel: Bliz definitely doesnt support farmers and PLs

.dm.osatox: Being ironic I play the game beyond end (if you look at my profile, 8000+ hours since July '05), people take it too seriously.

Bleach: with goldsellers it takes all the time, and devotion out of the game, people are tempted to buy gold because then they can get better gear and maybe get their epic mounts. It is unfair to all those others that have spent the time and patience of grinding their own money to buy stuff with.

t4sthesith: where is the point? saying you can be the best?

apolloiv: Hero classes

Val727 (aka lucian): and in the end, they should be rewarded equally?

windsamurai: GRAPHICS!

Gamefreak: The fact is, if you want an item or a level you'll pay either in time or money. How is one less good than the other?

ravar: a new call

[RH] Arizth: And besides, most people buy it to avoid mount and epic mount grinds, so it goes into the vendors 85% of the time

{TLS}Angel: Hardly favoritism

Tanky: bck

Sanctimonia: and lvl cap of 99

[Xfire] SDaria: *****QUESTION*****NEXT QUESTION: So, where does Blizzard go from here? What would you like to see in the NEXT expansion?

SaintAvalon: Right now i think its fine and is a bit early to start saying whats next.

Sanctimonia: and new race

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I would see northrend

?pf??tiø?: more classes

{TLS}Angel: More classes

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: the lich king

SaintAvalon: I havn't even gotten into raids, or keyed for certain places.

St(+)rck: Something Different! SOmething drastic!

Judge: NAga as a playable race DEFFINETLY

windsamurai: plz give us plenty of stunning graphics

Sanctimonia: LICH KING

Black Ranger: I'd like to see a third army (Horde/Alliance) added.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: mainly, a sword that used to sell for 100G now sells for 500--you buy 500g from a site--now the guy selling it has 500 gold--then everyone starts to sell the sword for 500G, and folks buy gold to buy them.....and so on

A-Train: New faction: ....yea I went there.

Val727 (aka lucian): TLS, I use favoritism for lack of a better word =/

Judge: who would not roll a naga?

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Murlocs a playable race

{TLS}Angel: Definitely new classes

.dm.osatox: I see the next expansion following lore wise. Northrend being whats next I would think.

Black Ranger: Playable, I mean

Judge: and a-train thats a great idea

Klaak: there are 2 parts of the game. leveling and gear farming. powerlevelers le you skip the leveling part which some people don't like

Gamefreak: Murlocs. Nuff said.

nexuscrysix: I don't expect another expansion, BC was delayed and gamers don't want a delayed games that was hyped for a year to be easy tp get to level 70

Dendei: The next expansion may very well involve Northrend i believe. This expansion focused a lot on the battle with The Burning legion, now i think its time The Scourge took the stage once again.

SaintAvalon: Hopefully they won't make everything we used vanish in seconds of buying a new game though.

kazic: Also you don't get any actual expirience playing your character if someone's doing it for you. lvling services and ebay are the bane of actually getting a good PUG...well that and stupid people ;)

St(+)rck: I don't think Blizzard can go on, simply adding new races and new continents. Something drastic needs to happen

{TLS}Angel: A new faction would be interesting if kindof awkward

t4sthesith: another FACTION would be nice.

windsamurai: and shift the focus off grinding, let more casual gamers play it

Bleach: I'd actually like to see a few places in Azeroth come into play, Maybe Northrend or Undermine

Sanctimonia: "The Sword of a Thousand Truths" that is what we need

[RH] Arizth: Maybe. But, look at it this way. One sale of 500g =/= all sales skyrocket to 500g

soberphoenix1973: more classes and a revamping on all the skills/ professions

St(+)rck: New graphics definately has to be considered

Judge: That would be cool if you could convert from your own faction to a different one

windsamurai: thats the only way blizz is going to make more moeny

Freyar: As long as the lore and story are thought about, then it will be fine. It would be difficult and require some time to be thought to prevent a major break or contradiction in the story (and trust me people will look for them) but in the end it would be doable in the end to add more groups.

lennyvolk: I would love to see quest lines that pan all the way from level 1 to 70 or the new limit. 40 something steps to complete a quest. And more multi instance quests would be a challenge.

Gamefreak: No love for playable murlocs? :(

value: Yes please clean up those graphics

Black Ranger: Blizzard makes money every day.

bahamutbbob: IMO next expansion needs to be Northrend, I mean, we already deal with Illidan in Outland, so it's the next logical place to go to tie up the loose ends from Warcraft 3

{TLS}Angel: Id love to see a murloc raid

Black Ranger: Subscription fees.

Klaak: the next expansion is a long way off and my guess is that a lot of new people will start playing and will be able to answer the uestion much better as probably 50% of us won't be playing 2 years from now

nexuscrysix: I don't want to see Blizz end up being like the MM series and giving races that are the same

[RH] Arizth: It will simply INFLATE to 500g, and then, through the undercutting method, slowly deflate back to 100g

Dendei: As for what else, i dont think Hero classes fit into what Blizzard wants to do with WoW right now. And its hard to think of what classes they might add, as that would be a huge balance issue

windsamurai: well not as much as they coulsd

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I would like to see a new area where the Alliance and the Horde HAVE to work together--no PvP, Azeroth and outland versus the new foe.

Bleach: A classic place like Northrend from Warcraft III would be a grat addition to WoW.

windsamurai: could*

.dm.osatox: @ Nexuscrysix: Burning Crusade was never "DELAYED". Everybody assumed (ie: ebay amazon gamestop etc.) they all assume the game to be out in 2006. Because they spread these rumors out, people then say "omg blizzard lied to us about releasing it on this day".

t4sthesith: if there was a new faction, the whole game could change. this faction could also involve last question: the new faction could PvP mainstream for them

Tanky: Yoshi: alliance are for good people that dont ****** gank everyone

apolloiv: Hero classes would be like all your talent points into one tree for improved stats/with a new spell here and there

SaintAvalon: I think we don't need new classes or hero classes.

[RH]Yragorn: There should be a special program to match the players

-.a|a.- KD: I want to see some new classes, the races thing don't really phase me much, they need to widen the variety you can partake in when you're making a character, all of the current classes aren't that....hmm...original shall we say? There's nothing that really puts WoW in its own little area as far as characters go, other than races, which, when it comes to gamplay, doesn't have an overwhelming difference other than personal taste of you wanna stare at for hours and hours on end.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: and i think that blizzard should redesign whole profession stuff likfe minigames, it was said in the begging of debate

Blade: People did say to think of BC as more of a WoW 2 instead of an expansion like Everquest, in the next expansion i believe that it will actually be more like an expansion with just new items instances and maybe a new level cap

windsamurai: and bring in more lore and lore based ingame content

Judge: I think the next wow expansion should allow you to go to the maelstrom, how eerie would that place be?

windsamurai: more focus on the actual warcraft universe

SaintAvalon: Blizzard right now needs to focus on getting things more set then worrying about adding more to the already hard to balance game they have now.

{TLS}Angel: Its be awesome to have a new faction

[RH] Arizth: Mealstrom...Swirly.

Bleach: Also places that are on the map but are unaccessable like Hyjal and Gilenas should be accessable in the future

Judge: and where is the king of stormwind?

Prime-Target-Finder: Im in maelstrom....

windsamurai: swirly...yay

t4sthesith: a new faction would make it very nice.

nexuscrysix: I fthey could do something, it'd be to reinvent proffesiopns. minor stuff nothing for a new expansiopn at this point

.dm.osatox: @ Nexuscrysix: Blizzard never did say or do any "delaying". They made 1 official post regarding the expansion which is Jan 16. They kept to their promise and the game was released on Jan 16.

Black Ranger: I agree with Mikeschramm. I've got a 36 druid, and all I can really do right now is grind. There needs to be more middlegame.

{TLS}Angel: hes the little kid

Dendei: To go out on a crazy expansion idea, maybe controlable ships so we can sail the sea's

SaintAvalon: @@mikeschramm lies! i ran that for the pure joy of it, and i still run it.

bahamutbbob: I would also love Hero Classes and Uldum to make it into the game ASAP, Uldaman had the best backstory out of all the instances if you ask me, I read everything the hologram told me after beating the boss in there

Judge: no his dad angel

windsamurai: exactly

Judge: wheres is dad

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I would also like to see the ability to gain additonal Talent points after the level cap..sort of like that other game I won't mention here!!!

{TLS}Angel: dead

Judge: lol

Judge: seriosuly?

{TLS}Angel: yeah

t4sthesith: if there was a new faction, PvP fans could use this faction, blizzard could make the new faction a PvP mainstream faction.

Judge: didnt get the memo

{TLS}Angel: lol

[RH]Yragorn: just copy Guild Wars

ravar: that would word t4

???Oobeaga ???«»: Is the king of stormwind kel'thuzhad, cuz i was watchin a vid and it looked like he was standin under him

windsamurai: thats what i have been saying for months now, take out the omfgmustgrind part of the game

A-Train: Yea middlgame content needs to be brought to par with outlands and the new race starting zones.

windsamurai: guild wars did it

windsamurai: why cant wow

{TLS}Angel: maybe TWO new factions

t4sthesith: that way, there could be normal PvP, and then send in a faction for PvP mainstream

Bleach: Also I'd like to see lore come into play alot more that it has been. I personally enjoy the lore, the whole purpose of playing WoW for myself is that I enjoy the lore of the game and that is what has drawn me to it.

nexuscrysix: intresting, should give instancesd new bosses and startegies

Dendei: A new faction? I find that a little too out of reach for WoW at this moment

{TLS}Angel: crazy 4 way wars

Gamefreak: It might be interesting if they had a companion system, ala Diablo 2 or GW

..? wMute ?..: there should be a faction involving a mix of both Horde and Alliance.

soberphoenix1973: a new faction would be outstanding

Black Ranger: Agreed with mute

Gamefreak: While it wouldn't be terribly original, I'm sure Bliz could do some innovative things there

Dendei: It would be far too much for the current balance of things to handle

t4sthesith: a new faction would make it nice

Tanky: >_>

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I didn't want to say the name chris; but you did it for me :)

SaintAvalon: @Mike don't want to know what you did with your keyboard.... *passes tissues over*

[r/uho]Gluesticks: do you think that bizzard will ever add a new faction?

[RH]Yragorn: a new faction? you just got 1 a few weeks ago

windsamurai: well if there were a new faction it should be based on actual warcraft lore

value: I don't think that will happen anytime soon

{TLS}Angel: Maybe theyll make more zones to play in

Judge: Lemme just say what would make everyone really want to play wow, more diversity and by this of course I mean HERO CLASSES

..? wMute ?..: For those that have played Planetside, there's much excitement in terms of 3 teams battling over one strategic point.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Next question

t4sthesith: go beyond the original warcraft, make WoW bigger

{TLS}Angel: Those portals in outland have to go somewhere

windsamurai: not just some new faction that was made up out of thin air

[RH] Arizth: Like Starcraft bigger?

[RH]Yragorn: some texts are completely out of the topic

Gamefreak: (They should add a DotA BG in the next XPack)

t4sthesith: a new faction, with a PVP based class.

Bleach: a new faction would through the world of Azeroth into Chaos, who do you think you be in it

Klaak: /agree with |wmute|

{TLS}Angel: Maybe a whole new starting area

{TLS}Angel: world

ravar: they should have a TDM bg

{TLS}Angel: so not all the new places are for high level people

SaintAvalon: I'd love to see some new lower level areas...

apolloiv: Maybe the new faction could be nettural, like the goblins

t4sthesith: HELL YES SAINT

Judge: hard to make new worlds without refuting the lore they have in place

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Hurry Gary--go patent that idea

Black Ranger: WoS would be badass.

SaintAvalon: TM/Barrens are a bit stale.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: WoS is not that bad idea

Dendei: Though if they ever did make a new faction, a truely evil one would be kind of interesting

t4sthesith: not at all

St(+)rck: mmmm, WoS

Bleach: Blizzard had to strech a bit with the Blood Elves and Draenei and a whole new faction with 5 playable races would cause terror.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: cause i really miss hc scifi mmo

{TLS}Angel: Burning legion FTW

-.a|a.- KD: Yes, they could never include a new Faction. The WoW lore is already too detailed and to-the-point that if they were to include a new Faction into it all, they would throw major key points of the storyline to the wind. It's not going to happen.

Gamefreak: It might be interesting to have it set so that some standardized BG could be arranged -- ie everyone is temporarily set to some default "spec" so that everyone has equal gear and spells and so on...

Gamefreak: Then maybe the gear vs skill thing could be settled

{TLS}Angel: make the legion a playable faction

Black Ranger: The only problem with making a SC MMO is that there wasn't really that much of a story when you compare it to warcraft.

bahamutbbob: I've always thought it would be cool if they added the Goblin faction, basically as you level up choose between Horde and Alliance, kinda like Aldor and Scryers

windsamurai: My Question: Will Blizzard ever make a graphis centric update?

Judge: Id deffinetly roll on the burning legion

SaintAvalon: Maybe add new quests inside the old area's, that branch a bit, and give a lower level speed increase (such as 30% at level 20) excluding those that already get some form of speed increase.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Burning legion is not going to be a playable race. they consist of glowing rocks and big demons... i for one would not meet up in battlegrounds agisnt a horde of Lord Kazzaks

A-Train: A great new addition in a future expansion would be a new purely "evil" faction demons, scourge, naga; it could work.

lennyvolk: I think it would be fun to start out as a neutral faction and through the course of the game you start rallying with either the Alliance of the Horde by the choices you make in game. Like how you could chose your side of the Force in KotR.

windsamurai: lol

windsamurai: yeah

[RH]Yragorn: lol wth 2038

{TLS}Angel: maybe not THE legion, just minions of them

kazic: lol

.dm.osatox: @ windsamurai: i read an article when BC was announced with some facts whatnot, that they may be updating graphics soon.

windsamurai: i used to play swg

..? wMute ?..: I think adding a faction that is a mix of Horde and Alliance, an amalgamation of cultures, would be the most realistic and probobly thing rather than introduce a whole new culture on it's own

Judge: You should be able to convert to the scourge

windsamurai: they had imperial rebel and neutral

apolloiv: If they made a WoS they couldn't really do anything really that great that we haven't seen in WoW just now with Protos instead of Draniea..oh wait

Black Ranger: Yes. We should be able to play as critters.

Judge: unrealistic, but cool nonetheless

windsamurai: yeah

Black Ranger: I would also play as a bunny.

-.a|a.- KD: AOD_Spec_LeChuck's comment = Awesome. Good job. XD

{TLS}Angel: Itd be kinda awkward to say

Gamefreak: I would also like to see some more interactivity within races -- like being able to affect politics between races ala the Gate supply.

kazic: No there's no way to make the legion playable, unless they totally redesigned the game

Dendei: Anything is possible, Blizzard likes to flip things on its head from time to time just to see what happens

{TLS}Angel: I GOT PWNED BY A LV 44 BUNNY LOCK

windsamurai: OMFG pandaren!

nexuscrysix: WOW II is hard since gamers alrweady are used to WOW, expansions are the way to go

windsamurai: fuzzy! yay!

Val727 (aka lucian): I want large scale PvP outside of instances.

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Bill your wrong the panda was not going to be a playable race but a Meals of wheels kinda thing

Val727 (aka lucian): For instance, a Barrens raid, but much larger in scale

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: EverQuest has houses that you can buy and put stuff in it and such. would it be cool to see the same in World Of Warcraft?

Black Ranger: This isn't The Sims.

apolloiv: yes it would, but that would be a lot of spaces

-.a|a.- KD: I would like to see something kind of like Guild Wars' Territory feature. Where you can gain areas through PVP battles.

[RH] Arizth: Wait...Evercrack has HOUSES?

{TLS}Angel: although itd be kinda funny to get pwned by fuzzy critters

[RH] Arizth: *Downlaods Evercrack*

windsamurai: that was my question omfg

Judge: lol

Black Ranger: That's my response. This isn't the Sims.

-.a|a.- KD: Does anyone else agree with that?

bahamutbbob: They have an instance portal in Stormwind that, from what I understand, is to player housing

windsamurai: Like player cities and stuff

Val727 (aka lucian): I would love to be walking around, and just jump right into a huge battle

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: we could have ateaparty inside it

bahamutbbob: and I played Everquest 2 for the free month, and yes, you get houses guys :P

windsamurai: yes

apolloiv: Maybe you could collect the heads you get for quest and hang them on your wall

value: some guildhalls would be nice to have

windsamurai: i want player cities

Bleach: Pandaren would be a nice addition to the world of Azeroth, but as they look too much like Pandas, and that it is Illegal to have anything to ddo with killing Pandas in China, it was definately a no no.

{TLS}Angel: having a house, like an instance, would be awesome

Black Ranger: Guildhalls yes, personal houses no.

Dendei: I find myself keeping trinkets i have long since lost the use of just because i like them. A place where i can display them would be nice

Judge: hahaha

Black Ranger: Guildhalls would be helpful for better organizing raids

value: too many people for personal houses

{TLS}Angel: yeah

Gamefreak: I mean seriously though, what would you *do* in a guild house?

Freyar: @Bleach do you have some references on that?

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: in guildwars we have the guild hall... so it could work

A-Train: Yea i cant really see the point of a player house in WoW.

[RH] Arizth: Guidlhalls so you cna get drunk with Guildmates. I'm tired of using the Blue Recluse

Judge: what purpose would a guild house serve?

{TLS}Angel: lol

kazic: I think that one of the main reasons WoW has been so successful is its brilliant simplicity. Adding houses, wives/husbands, and kids, just makes it all too complicated.

Black Ranger: Like actually giving an opportunity to interpret what the Raid symbols mean.

Judge: its just one of those things thats like "hey cool"

windsamurai: my guild in precu swg had a really nice player city with a guild hall and such, it would be great if they could add something like that in WoW

soberphoenix1973: A guildhall could be used for anniversary and guild related starting places, also a good way to see everyone that would be up for quests/ instances

lennyvolk: Guildhalls would be great, and your tabard could be used as your hearth to it with some cooldown or such

Dendei: A main hub for guilds

apolloiv: Nothing more than some cosmetic peice of game play, maybe to gimicky

kazic: A guild Hall might be cool though...

..? wMute ?..: guild House would act as a social point for large guilds

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: I t would be great to have some guild strongholds like in lineage

{TLS}Angel: or GW

[RH]Yragorn: yep strongholds

Judge: the social point for large guilds is guild chat

bahamutbbob: Vendors in the guild hall IMO

windsamurai: yeah

Gamefreak: I mean I play WoW to be this Uber-Hero, I don't want to waste my time in some stingey guildhall when I could be out killin stuff!

bahamutbbob: rare gems or some such

.dm.osatox: Thing is if they add "player" or "guild" houses, it would be instanced (portal). You'd have to "zone" to it.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: cause fraction can fights about owning

[RH]Yragorn: WoW should definitely copy their own members

Judge: houses are unneccessary

Bleach: @Freyar What for that it is illegal in China to reference anything about killing Pandas?

nexuscrysix: I would like to see group homes in towns for exampl an alliance town can have 3 or so alliance homes and say thiey're 5 people, thier can be one rooms per person

[RH] Arizth: PvP vendors and Beer vendors

..? wMute ?..: guild houses, like in Guild wars, act as a place where you can strategize, have your own vendors, trade with your teammates, or just "hang out"

windsamurai: yeah

ravar: until everyone quits

Black Ranger: Guild towns would be good.

[Toast]sleepyperson2: how long will blizzard stay on WoW?

SaintAvalon: @ Gary, till 8 million people stop paying 15$ a mont to play?

soberphoenix1973: I think that blizz will stay with wow as long as there is profit in it for them

.dm.osatox: But during the development of WoW, Blizzard made a no-no and screwed that plan up.

{TLS}Angel: yeah

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: gary. what kinda question is that???? Blizzard still workson WarcraftII for crying out loud

apolloiv: i say until the well gets dry

A-Train: As long as its profitable Gary which is to say for a very long time.

apolloiv: and they have nothing to offer

?pf??tiø?: @mute YES. That would be awesome.

{TLS}Angel: as long as they make 80 cents out of every dollar people pay for it, theyll keep doing it

-.a|a.- KD: [18:56] Tyranuus\\\\Alex: Do you believe that WoW should be technically and graphically upgraded, or do you believe that this would distance too much of the playerbase, and draw attention to a more realistic style, rather than a very 'Warcraft' graphical style that is currently implemented?

-.a|a.- KD: That is a very good question.

windsamurai: Another question: Do you think WoW will ever have player controled territory?

nexuscrysix: its hard for WOW 2, they'd have to make some BIG changes

Gamefreak: Should they make a WoW 2 or just go expansion route?

[RH] Arizth: Expansion route

.dm.osatox: If they added guild/player houses, it would be almost impossible to quest/move/log in (from the lag) of houses in Elwynn Forest or anywhere lol.

windsamurai: WoW

-.a|a.- KD: World of Warcraft 2.

windsamurai: 2

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: Let Starcraft 2 come first before we think about wow 2

.dm.osatox: Are there plans for WoW 2?

[RH] Arizth: WoW 2 would cause the servers to asplode duw to maintaining 2 MMOs at once

Dendei: Windsamurai: I think it may be getting there with the current World PvP in Outland

Black Ranger: In my opinion, WoW 2 will be the collective grouping of several patches or another expansion.

Judge: seriosuly wheres the starcraft love?

Blade: WoW is an MMO RPG, i really doubt there will be a whole other WoW 2, and if there is what would it have?

-.a|a.- KD: No it would not, Arizth.

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: It took EQ 7 years before EQ2--I expect at least 5 years before the idea of WoW2

windsamurai: cuz then they could make graphical updates and such without releasing massive patches

soberphoenix1973: I think that a couple more expansions would be good, until they were able to make a good wow2 game

Freyar: I fully expect more expansion content for WoW. If there is no expansion content, then there will be no new content, players will get bored, and at some point start removing subscriptions for new content. New Content is what drives people whether it's blizzard created, or an experience generated by other people.

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: i think its possible the blizz will make wow2 but you could import your old character somehow

-.a|a.- KD: Guild Wars has 3 expansions running on servers, and it's doing just fine.

nexuscrysix: though blizz is known for sequels, MMO's are hard

..? wMute ?..: WoW2 wouldn't be that irrealistic, but in terms of production costs, it makes no sense to hurry a release on a new engine when the current one is so popular

apolloiv: I think expansions with a nice visual flairs would be nice. I don't like teh idea of what they did in EQ2 with erasing everything that you had in EQ1 and i think it hurt it

.dm.osatox: Expansions / Patches are fine.

SaintAvalon: @Mike don't mention universe, didn't work so well for Phantasy Star Online imo.

Val727 (aka lucian): IMO, this is too difficult to discuss without some form of voice rights =/

?pf??tiø?: If there was ever a WoW2 it wouldn't be for awhile. Expect expansion for now :D

{TLS}Angel: a sequel would take a long time to make, look at how long TBC took

bahamutbbob: Hah, nice one Mike :P

If BLizzard were to update the graphics engine, and perhaps add physics, WoW could easily last a decade if they did that every 2-3 years

windsamurai: i think they should release 1 or 2 expansions and then a sequel

-.a|a.- KD: wMute speaks the truth, if Blizzard rushed into spitting out WoW 2, they would be making a mistake.

nexuscrysix: I'd bet 2 or so expansions in the next 4 years

.dm.osatox: there would be no point on a sequel really.

-.a|a.- KD: With 8 million people playing right now, there's no reason in hell to release a new game, at all.

windsamurai: other games such as Everquest and Lineage 2 have done it

Val727 (aka lucian): It would be utterly broken

value: yeah that would be totally pointless

kazic: I love BC, but if they can't crank out another expansion every year or so, I'm bot sure I can hang on

nexuscrysix: Though they did say they might be stopping WOW

{TLS}Angel: yeah

apolloiv: Oh no Blizzard is now NC soft

Gamefreak: Does WoW really need totally realistic physics?

.dm.osatox: WoW is based off of the Warcraft lore, from 1-3, and novels.

Black Ranger: At least, a new game that would replace WoW.

soberphoenix1973: they would need to take their time in developing wow2 because it would be shooting themselves in the foot after just coming out with the xpac

windsamurai: WoS

..? wMute ?..: Part of the reason for Wow's success is that it doesnt share the same Hardware requirements as battlefield 2. People can run the game on 3 year old hardware and not worry about chugging too much

.dm.osatox: If they did WoW 2 it would not make sense to impliment it.

Black Ranger: Agreed.

Tanky: wow does need physics

-.a|a.- KD: Well of Souls?

Tanky: -_-

Schmoopie: What is Blizzard doing to improve user-created content in the WoW universe?

apolloiv: User created content? I thought we were doing WoW not Seccond life.

Freyar: While user created content should be created by users, the "ability" to do so needs to be afforded by Blizzard in the first place.

SaintAvalon: Wow i have so many mods, i litterly stop playing if my mods all break.

Black Ranger: Part of the appeal of WoW is that it's not a graphics powerhouse.

Bleach: killing a panda was punishable in China by death until a 1997 law changed the penalty to 20 years imprisonment.

kazic: I mean I didn't realize just how much I missed having new things to do until I booted BC up, and I realized I can't do that again for another two years

nexuscrysix: They should have stuff tomake everybody diffrent

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I only use one addon and that is auctioneer

Freyar: @Bleach Checking

SaintAvalon: I use Mirage, formally Inxomniax.

windsamurai: actually, it would be very effective if they released a WoW 2 and kept the original WoW

Judge: my brain is too tired to consider the possiblity of integrating a new physics and graphics engine into a game that doesnt seem to have a problem in that respec

SaintAvalon: Along with other things based on the class i play.

Sanctimonia: warlock and mages need Bartenders

kazic: Addons ar efor the weak *boast*

{TLS}Angel: too many servers

windsamurai: like with Everwuest

Judge: respect*

..? wMute ?..: Much like how Korean developpers work, they make games with the effort to maximize their market. IE, they make games that everyone can run, which is why korean MMOs look so inferior. But they work and are successful and make money, because everyone plays them. This is why WoW is successful, and not Everquest 2

Val727 (aka lucian): I can't be bothered with the default UI.

soberphoenix1973: I use quite a few addons since it helps me to focus on gaming and interacting with the other players

windsamurai: hmmm

windsamurai: i guess so

bahamutbbob: Nimloth has a bood point there, mods and websites = user created content, and Blizzard likes the free press IMO :P

nexuscrysix: Though I don't weant to see a second life, I want to see artistic styles of gamers. Maybe that group house can have designs made by the people to sell? ;)

faB|-=[4LL3N]=-: i cant imagine playing without addons

soberphoenix1973: also, when it comes down to raiding, some of the addons are essential in our guilds

windsamurai: Will they add player controlled territory?

Gamefreak: Physics seem a bit silly -- as long as it has gravity and things don't clip, rag doll and the like just seems like it would detract from the fantasy theme

SaintAvalon: Gary man... You need to hook up with me so you can see some SS's of my design, it allows some major diversity and helps you customize to make it more playable for YOU.

Bleach: Blizzard would have a big lawsuit if they included Pandaren in WoW as Killable NPCs

Val727 (aka lucian): I use Titan, a few mods, NECB, perl, CTmod, Bongos and gatherer primairly

Gamefreak: I mean its all about the gameplay, man!

-.a|a.- KD: Can we get our new questions please?

windsamurai: wait is this thequestion submission place

.dm.osatox: I heard that Pandaren was removed because it would not work for WoW China.

-.a|a.- KD: This one's dead now.

{TLS}Angel: no

Dendei: Blizzards stance on system requirements has always been that they want as many people to be able to play their games as possible. This doesnt mean that things cant look good, as they make sure that their art really stands our regardless

.dm.osatox: Being that players killing pandas is something...wrong.

Xfire]Frederic: If it weren't for WoW, what would you be spending your time on these days? :-)

Black Ranger: Battlefield 2142.

Gamefreak: Making a job!

windsamurai: EVE Online

Tanky: A job

Bleach: dm.osatox: I heard that Pandaren was removed because it would not work for WoW China.

Freyar: I'd be spending my time playing EvE online... Paying to wait for my skills to train.

St(+)rck: Life

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: Searching for navel lint

Tanky: Other games

Tanky: life

Bleach: exactly what I was talking about

Tanky: sex

windsamurai: yay EVE Online FTW

Judge: yeah wow is fine without the fancy shmancy graphics

apolloiv: Reading?

Tanky: etc

Tanky: that too

.dm.osatox: i know Bleach i said that lol.

[Asguard]ThePres: Homework

bahamutbbob: if I wasn't playing WoW, I'd probably be upstairs playing PSU on the 360, that or the Crackdown demo :P

Dendei: Probably writing more

|AcE|Thakilla: sleeping

..? wMute ?..: I think the advance WoW has is it's artistic design. Visually, it's so appealing even on a less impressive engine than, for example, Everquest 2, which has, IMO, the ugliest artistic design

windsamurai: or WII

St(+)rck: Ya, reading

SaintAvalon: @@ Gary, i play my Wii sometimes, and i love the news channel ha

AOD_Spec_LeChuck: I would be playing other online games,,, but not massive.

Tanky: H3 BETA!

Bleach: I was talkign about it like five minutes ago

{TLS}Angel: GoW FTW

Black Ranger: I'd be playing 2142

windsamurai: my Wii has dust on it because of WoW

..? wMute ?..: WoW's artistic visual appeal makes up for a less spectacular engine

windsamurai: lol

Gamefreak: Wii is great, just get the WoW on it!

apolloiv: Teza and I are in the same boat

windsamurai: put Unreal Engine 3 in WW lol

nexuscrysix: Blizzard whould be making starcraft ghost or W4 maybe even diablo. Gamers who would be playing WOW but aren't will enjoy blizz's new games for thier series and be playing EQ since it's not as insane as WOW

[Xfire]TwiceUzi: WoW on Wii would be rediculous

windsamurai: WoW*

Judge: And ultimately asking for better graphics is just demanding too much of the dev team, the current game still has issues and kinks that need to be worked out before they can bother scrapping their entire graphics engine

|AcE|Thakilla: i'd probably be alpha testing another blizzard game at the same time

TAW_Toecutter [S2 1CO]: I don't know what I would do. I need my crack. gimme my Warcrack!!......sorry, I'm better now.........

windsamurai: u can use a Wiimote with a PC u know?

nexuscrysix: And they'd play some GOW and GH II

Gamefreak: WoWii would be awesome! :)

..? wMute ?..: for example, games like Jet Grind Radio on the dreamcast can look so much better than a game that's 5-6 years ahead but nowhere close to the same artistry

nexuscrysix: I'd love an RPG with the mote, no sixaxis though

windsamurai: