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Xfire Debate Club 10th Meeting: Best of Gaming 2007
December 5th, 2007 (Open Debate Transcript - Xfire Users)
SilentSin: Hello All
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: indeed
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: halo ftw
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: hi
♥ wMute ♥: The Forums need to be added in the Xfire Debate club page
tdtaaron: hi
mind6666: Sup
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Hey all =)
[RedArrows] Grenade: hi
Death: hello
Zephious: hello
toutinette: lol
[D]3V1lSp33d: Should be fun :)
Some_Kittens: ftw?
Riobux: Hey/
SilentSin: halo.... lets not get started
Death: for the win
tdtaaron: wow
Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Hai
Some_Kittens: thanks
TheATXKiller: Lo
Teh Moose: don't start with halo haha
killer_ikke: hello
BIRDYBANG!!!!: halo is just a nub game.
D K Head: lol, no
TheATXKiller: Yeah
[D]3V1lSp33d: Halo 2 on Vista? not a winner at all.
Teh Moose: don't start man
mind6666: BioShock ftw
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: great argument :/
Zephious: Halo is nice on Xbox 360
TheATXKiller: Hlo isn't GOTY material IMHO...
Some_Kittens: and it made by micorsoft
toutinette: wow
Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: vista - not a winner at all
Riobux: Halo series doesn't even deserve mention...
Lunarbunny: never suggest halo to a PC gamer
toutinette: confusing
tdtaaron: so what should we be in
Death: Vista is no good, supports few games
Death: Linux is alot better
killer_ikke: no if it is a halo game it would be halo 3
Zephious: its good
Zephious: Vista is better now
Riobux: Halo is poor at best, it's over-rated.
[HT]den48248: Linux!!!
Teh Moose: but you mentioned it..
BIRDYBANG!!!!: dude i bet pc could run halo 10 fold wut xbox cant
D K Head: consoles are outdated objects now, PC's can outiatnce the piles of cheap plastic and old computer parts
Death: Even XP is better then Vista
Zephious: much better than its realise
Some_Kittens: Linux!
[HT]den48248: hardly any games are supported
[xfire] Spencer: Linux doesn't support uhm, like, anything else.
killer_ikke: true
TheATXKiller: Halo IS overrated
♥ wMute ♥: if halo came out on PC, PC gamers would be fanboying it up on halo as much as Xbots
SilentSin: eh, unforunately im running Vista Ultimate, its a pain but hopefully it will improve
Some_Kittens: immensly
tdtaaron: what roomshould we be in
TheATXKiller: I say Portal
SilentSin: Halo IS overrated i agree
TheATXKiller: It seems so small and such
Zephious: well
Death: Yeah, I don't see whats so good about it
TheATXKiller: Like an add-on game
[D]3V1lSp33d: I'm saying TF2, it's really fun.
Zephious: by next year
Lunarbunny: I think Portal gets my vote because it's INNOVATIVE. I mean, how innovative is Call of Duty 4 or Unreal Tournament 3?
Marc: halo<cod4
Zephious: Vista should be good enough to play
TheATXKiller: But it's incredible
BIRDYBANG!!!!: COH!!!!! FTW!! best rts
D K Head: should we provide reasons aswell as saying three words? it might provide more insight
Teh Moose: its overrated but it doesnt mean its bad
TheATXKiller: Althouth so is Crysis
Riobux: Wow...It feels strange to be surrounded by people who aren't just saying Halo series is the best...
Zephious: and Bioshock is origional
Death: If it wasn't for the book series, they wouldn't of sold so many copies
Some_Kittens: portal was crazy
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: the thing that sucks about halo is it only supports 16 players
SilentSin: for FPS my vote goes to Cod4
Teh Moose: just means it got more credit than it was
Scheme: Call of duty 4 one of the best games for 07' :D
RED_x10an14_3x: I am in a Halo clan!
killer_ikke: yes portal is really a new thing, it is original
Lunarbunny: Not only innovative but it was fun at the same time
TheATXKiller: COD4 is a damn great game
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: you cant rly fault Halo too much gameplay wise....in all honesty.....its a sequel with very few new features......so its as good as the original Halo but very little better
Scheme: FPS = CoD4
RED_x10an14_3x: I Love the halo games and books
Zephious: What is COD4 like?
Teh Moose: Bioshock for me
EvIl_-_RuM: cod4 is great
Zephious: i want it :(
Lunarbunny: I mean there have been some really bad innovative games :p
killer_ikke: and fun ofcourse :)
[D]3V1lSp33d: Portal is confusing the crap out of me :P
TheATXKiller: COD4 feels like youre in a movie
EvIl_-_RuM: and bioshock
tdtaaron: i say Cark cursade gets my vote
Scheme: Fantastic = CoD4
BIRDYBANG!!!!: rts = company of heroes
tdtaaron: dark
TheATXKiller: Unlike the other COD games.
SilentSin: CoD4 is exctasy
SilentSin: lol
Zephious: lol
Lunarbunny: rts = WiC
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: COD 4 is very immersive :)
EvIl_-_RuM: lol
♥ wMute ♥: I don't think the maximum amount of players per game makes a game less fun. Goldeneye MP was 4 players, and it's easily one of the greatest multiplayer experiences in a living room
Demo: CoH got fucked by OP
Scheme: How is company odf heros?
Scheme: of*
SilentSin: CoD4 needs more though
Demo: oF*
Gilbert Rivera: I say CoD4 for everything lol. Even though it was sorta short it was an awsome game. Great Graphics...Great everything!
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I do have to agree, COD4 does present its self in a very immersive.. fasion? style?
Zephious: hmm
tdtaaron: dark cursade gets my vote
Zephious: well, COD4 is a late realise
Zephious: oh yae
Lunarbunny: WiC I liked the pace and graphics
Zephious: DC!
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: how is cod4?
Zephious: Dark crusade is dam good
EvIl_-_RuM: amazing
[D]3V1lSp33d: Well what's everyones FPS votes?
SilentSin: hopefully they will come out with more weapons, maps, and such
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: intense :)
Gilbert Rivera: Its awsome
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I especially loved the first mission
Demo: i dought the demo was crap
The Terminator: cod4 is awesome
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: That to me made buying Cod4 worth it
Zephious: sounds it
BIRDYBANG!!!!: i want coh but modern combat with a1 abrams
tdtaaron: ya i love graphics
Lunarbunny: FPS: Portal. RTS: WIC
Death: Forget CoD4, I can't wait for SC2
Scheme: Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag : Call of duty is a pretty good game its like a roller coaster ride =D
Zephious: know someone whos playing it
RED_x10an14_3x: g2g its 8 ttyl
Zephious: they rubbed it in my fice
Riobux: I haven't tried the best, but the one I think is the most revolutionary game I've played is Skate.
Zephious: well, Bioshock is my favourite
Lunarbunny: CoD4 I like (just go the golden AK) but I don't think it qualifies as the winner
Zephious: so far, at least
tdtaaron: what room should we be in
Lunarbunny: got*
♥ wMute ♥: Guys: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns
killer_ikke: i don't really like CoD
Some_Kittens: skate isnt' 2007
Riobux: I mean, I know it isn't the best. But it has changed the skateboarding platform.
Dr.Nick: rts, coh:of despite the unbalance =p
TheATXKiller: COD4 is definatly a candidate. It's the closest "feel like your in a movie" game I've ever played; the production values are great, and it's got a strong story.
EvIl_-_RuM: id say either cod4 or bioshock
Zephious: lmao
Riobux: It is acording to the box Kittens.
D K Head: ...no
killer_ikke: i would chooce for portal
SilentSin: Crysis is a great game BUT it was drowned out almost completely by CoD4's beauty.
Death: Runescape is so boring
Demo: i'd say bioshock as it uppered the bar in atmosphere
Riobux: At least the Pal version is...
HoH|Lt.Hanley: CoD4 is really over rated.
Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Lets talk aobut the Wii :D lol
Zephious: god almighty
Death: Wii rocks
TheATXKiller: Crysis I think lived up to the hype.
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: wii sucks
[D]3V1lSp33d: Wii FTL
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well hold up, lets not forget about Team fortress 2
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: RUNESCAPE IS ADDICTIVE, I'LL GIVE IT THAT ^^ BUT I WOULD NEVER PLAY IT AGAIN
[HT]den48248: Crysis is overrated
♥ wMute ♥: Crysis is a great game engine, but a poor game
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: oops caps
Scheme: Call of duty 4 or Halo3?
Lunarbunny: Metroid Prime 3 isn't bad but it needs less shots to kill enemies
tdtaaron: ya it is bd
[HT]den48248: you need a great computer
Zephious: no
Death: Wii is the best system because of its interactivity
Lunarbunny: that was annoying
tdtaaron: tbad
Zephious: its mainly COD4 or Bioshock
Death: inferrior to PC, though
killer_ikke: TF2 is a nice game indeed
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: wii is for kids
Riobux: Scheme, it will never be Halo 3.
TheATXKiller: Yeah...
Gilbert Rivera: I say Wii must die...The end
Riobux: Never.
[HT]den48248: and the gameplay isnt the best
Lunarbunny: I haven't played SMG yet
killer_ikke: it really looks funny
Scheme: Wii got a 0 on all its ratings
EvIl_-_RuM: maybe crysis too
Zephious: Bioshock all the way
[D]3V1lSp33d: TF2 will make it in the top 5 I'm pretty sure.
Some_Kittens: is this only for pc?
tdtaaron: go main room
BIRDYBANG!!!!: cod4 is a beast witch blows halo3 out of the water!!!!
TheATXKiller: Crysis' hoog sys requirements are...a minus
HoH|Lt.Hanley: I never played BioShock is it good?
Marc: CO04 ALL THE WAY
Zephious: ok
Teh Moose: yes
Death: whats CO04?
Demo: Crysis, runs so horribly it failed in being GOTY contender
Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: call of duty 4
Zephious: Oo
killer_ikke: TF 2 will not be the #1 but it is a nice game to play
Zephious: their speaking
Teh Moose: ahhh what is crysis?!
Demo: 2 years scale back my ass
D K Head: spam much? anyway, i'd say portal, due to its incredibly innovative gameplay, and incredibly dark sense of humor
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Calm down :)
Zephious: Bioshock...
D K Head: its incredible :P
* Zephious threatens people to think the same
Lunarbunny: I can't wait for more official Portal content
Some_Kittens: the problme w/TF2, is it ignores us dialupers
Demo: the cake is a lie
♥ wMute ♥: if there was a 'best engine' discussion, i'd probobly say Crysis. But we're talking best "games", and Crysis is merely a fancy graphics engine, but a generic game
The Terminator: Call Of Duty 4 is the best
Some_Kittens: im for portal
ViRuS: CoD4 is deffinely on the category of good graphic and when compared to crysis the ai is much better too. in cyrsis the ai will do some pretty stupid stuff where as in cod4 at least they present a challenge
* Lunarbunny is wearing a Portal T-shirt
[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: tf2 rocks
TheATXKiller: Bioshock had the best story and atmosphere...
tdtaaron: go main
[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: and if u have dialup get a faster internet
TheATXKiller: But I still think portal
Demo: tf2 or bioshock
TheATXKiller: It's more than the sum of it's parts.
Zephious: Bioshock is origional
Some_Kittens: i cant
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well, graphics wise, TF2 is good, but its no match for Cod4 or bioshock
[Xfire] Jubjub: Please do not spam, use all CAPS and please stay on topic in this room, thanks.
Zephious: ive never seen a game like it
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: but gameplay, I love TF2
HoH|Lt.Hanley: CoD4 though is way to linear! It need to be alot more opened.
D K Head: why?
EvIl_-_RuM: bioshock,cod4,portal or crysis are the best id say
Lunarbunny: Bioshock had a good story, atmosphere, and graphics but I think System Shock outdid it and at the same time I think Bioshock isn't really that innovative.
killer_ikke: UT 3 has got a great AI but it didn't rise up to my expactations
Demo: style wise tf2 and bioshock kill cod4
tdtaaron: go main room
BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis is a trilogy
Zephious: Bioshock
SilentSin: BioShock wasnt that great in my opinion. Yea it looked great the idea was awsome but it didnt feel awsome enough for me to buy it. CoD3 on the other hand has me addicted. I bought Crysis and CoD4 together and i find myself playing CoD4 way more than Crysis.
D K Head: give FPS players non liner paths, and they will complain about lack of direction
Scheme: U gotta think about COD3 took a big leap to become COD4 Just think about it
♥ wMute ♥: Call of Duty 4 wasn't exactly aiming for "artistic style points"
toutinette: HI
Zephious: hello
Demo: style is more importent than graphics in many cases
Some_Kittens: I didnetn get invited to main room
BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis is a not totally liner play
toutinette: lol
EvIl_-_RuM: lol
Some_Kittens: yeah
Lunarbunny: Demo: agreed, see WoW
D K Head: Demo is right there
Riobux: Without a doubt.
toutinette: only pros sry
Zephious: WoW-BC...no
tdtaaron: go main floor
Riobux: I'd prefer a stylish and fun game than something that looks flashy.
Zephious: too expensive :P
Some_Kittens: fun is waht its all about
Zephious: lol
HoH|Lt.Hanley: Please then maybe gamers need to start useing there heads i come from Splinter Cell and oblivion backround so maybe its just me.
Gilbert Rivera: WoW got borring....My account kept getting hacked so I switched to BF2...Now my CD Key got hacked
♥ wMute ♥: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns: Fun
Zephious: unlucky
Demo: WoW didn't do it for me
EvIl_-_RuM: wows isnt boring at all
Riobux: How do you keep getting hacked?
Demo: too mindless
[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: COD 4 and TF2 are definitly the top 2 games of 07
Teh Moose: wow was ok but not worth $15 a month for me
Zephious: I think
Lunarbunny: I don't care about WoW myself but I think style has won over technical graphical capabilities with the number of subscribers
tdtaaron: go main floor
EvIl_-_RuM: u should have gone the 6 month way
Zephious: you might have a key logger on your PC dude
BIRDYBANG!!!!: LOL!!!!! DRAGONFORCE!!!
:[SB]:DarkMan: not definately
Gilbert Rivera: Until the Lich King comes out...Im not touching my WoW Zboard anymore
EvIl_-_RuM: saved a lot of money
Teh Moose: theres 3 windows
Some_Kittens: k
:[SB]:DarkMan: yes there is
Demo: what defines game of the year? revalution or evalution?
Zephious: will there be a warcraft 4?
The Terminator: What is better, bioshock or crysis ???
♥ wMute ♥: Team Fortress 2 is fun, but if you look at the game as a whole, it seems like it's half a game compared to other releases.
D K Head: heh wheres zeropunctuation, i wonder?
Some_Kittens: im thinking revolution
killer_ikke: bioshock
SilentSin: WoW is to expensive for what it has in my opinion they need to lower monthly costs. Then i bet their playerbase will increse even more. Especially for people who want to run multi accounts.
tdtaaron: go et
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Crysis is flawed in the way it overdoses on looks.........the gameplay there's few faults i can find for a game of its genre............but the mere fact that it's targeted a select market of gamers....anyone would think they have a contract with NVidia
Demo: bioshock
Zephious: yes
BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis i think i love the game
Zephious: Bioshock has my vote
tdtaaron: Go ET
SilentSin: Crysis > Biosshock in my opinion
Lunarbunny: eh, crysis is for the technical eye-candy
TheATXKiller: LOL.
Zephious: Et...old
Gilbert Rivera: CoD4 and assassin's Creed for me
EvIl_-_RuM: i really cant decide..... a lot of good games came out
♥ wMute ♥: Crysis is eye-candy. In terms of actual gameplay, it's severely generic
Zephious: true
Zephious: i just need to play 'em all :P
Riobux: I can't decide, partly because I can't touch most new games.
Lunarbunny: good luck
Teh Moose: bioshock was good don't put it down
Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Assassin's Creed is good Ill agree there
HoH|Lt.Hanley: Crysis though remember is the first game useing the engine think about FryCry 2 wich should be alot better.
Teh Moose: never a dull moment
Death: I didn't really like assasins creed, I prefered Oblivion by much more
Zephious: I like Bioshock
D K Head: prehaps it'd be a decent idea to select games for diffrent traits, replayability... storytelling... controls... graphics... etc
ViRuS: crysis is hard to consider as being a top game the ai is not that great and alotough the graphicsare great what game today doesn't have amazing fx
Demo: Crysis= uber graphics and cool physics annd um yay?!
The Terminator: i want to get assassins creed for PC but its not out yet :(
[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: bioshock is ok, but definitely not top game
D K Head: because we're not getting anywhere with this :P
killer_ikke: yes great idea
Demo: bioshock got patched today i think
Some_Kittens: physics are better than eye candy, but this comes from a hardcore nerd
Demo: new plasmids
Lunarbunny: recently at least
Zephious: Oo
Zephious: here it comes
killer_ikke: what is the best game if you are looking at the graphics
Demo: crysis
D K Head: lets start off with graphics, any thoughts?
FwuffyKira: Definately.
Zephious: Bioshock
SilentSin: Best gane for graphics going with Crysis
Teh Moose: bio
Zephious: no doubt about it
SilentSin: game*
Christina: Well that's an excellent starting question.
[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: *****FIRST QUESTION*****
RobFahey: What, in your view, is the best game of 2007? One game only please!
FwuffyKira: Crysis.
♥ wMute ♥: How about this as a question: Why are "top games" considered to be CoD4, Bioshock, Crysis, Halo 3, etc. What about other less popular, but equally great games of 2007... like Fire Pro Wrestling Returns
Demo: are we combimded style with graphics?
Zephious: Bioshock was origional in many ways
D K Head: i thought assassin's creed was decent with graphics tbh
Demo: conbinding*
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it depends what kind of gamer you are...crysis wins graphics hands down
Some_Kittens: overall popularity?
4o7.dc | Pause [TTHS]: Hey guys :)
Gilbert Rivera: Out of all the games in the world...I'd say Call of Duty 4 Multiplayer! Aside from all the arguing online its great!
Some_Kittens: units sold?
Zephious: combining the two...was new
[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: COD 4
Riobux: Bioshock? Original?
Musao: Graphics - I would go with
BIRDYBANG!!!!: if bioshock and crysis combined that would be a AWSOME game
Riobux: Give me a break.
Zephious: COD 4 is too new really
Musao: Probably Bioshock
-:KSA:- Skree: Got to be TF2
Riobux: It was pratically a copy!
killer_ikke: o\\that's a hard question
Zephious: it needs more time to mature
Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: CoD 4 Has it all in my opinion
Musao: TF2 was unique of its own accord in its use of cel-shading, which is a dying concept in gfx
Zephious: Bioshock
FwuffyKira: It was.
Christina: Best is so subjective, but it's interesting to see what people are drawn to.
HoH|Lt.Hanley: The Cal of Duty muiltplayer is way too much consoly. In my oppoin cod4 was made for the xbox and ps3 not the pc.
killer_ikke: i would go for portals.
D K Head: rob, dont forget to throw in a PC for them to play it on... or a console that is
FwuffyKira: TF2 was a very good FPS game.
Demo: if we look at the overall visuals of the game i'd say tf2 or bioshock
Zephious: Yes, it does seem that way
Teh Moose: bioshock and crysis wouldnt make sense
Some_Kittens: i like the idea of teamwork in TF2
Riobux: It was not original, see System Shock 2.
Scheme: Nah ps3 is not a shooter console
Teh Moose: at all
Lunarbunny: Musao: how is it a dying concept? It's relatively recent considering the fact that it requires MORE overhead
-:KSA:- Skree: The best multiplayer FPS in a long time
toutinette: ps3
toutinette: PRO
FwuffyKira: But I would have to say Portal was a great game.
Zephious: naa...not PS3
toutinette: YES
Zephious: too expensive
Scheme: CoD4 was best made for xbox nd PC
Teh Moose: portal was fun
Zephious: wayyy too expensive
FwuffyKira: It was.
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: oh definately, orange box, at this point i have to say is probably the most well rounded set this year
toutinette: 1080p TV 56¨
♥ wMute ♥: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns. In terms of it's pure focus on what has made the franchise extremely popular amongsts wrestling fans, it keeps a sense of what made it popular and that's Gameplay and Customization. Take a look at other wrestling games, or any other game, there's always a sense of adding more Eyecandy yet fail in terms of gameplay. That's where FPWR is in my opinion, the best game of 2007, in terms of achieving what it strides to do: pure gameplay and pure fun
|:GC:| Pasta_Man: Call of Duty 4, Modern Warfare, mostly because of the intenseness of the singleplayer campaign, and the epic multiplayer, all combined with nice movements and great sound. Graphics isnt something we havent seen before, but its definately one of the best so far.
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Personal opinion would be Call of duty 4. The graphics are incredible, the gameplay is amazing, and it has great replay value.
Gilbert Rivera: PLAYSTATION(Sony all together) FOR LIFE HIYAHHHH
toutinette: wow
-:KSA:- Skree: It has everything, including a unique style, a real team based gameplay style, lots of classes, but most importantly, a specific role for every class
toutinette: this
EvIl_-_RuM: i think portal will turn out to be a good game but for me the demo didnt have enough content
Zephious: I have a PS2
toutinette: is
Zephious: its good
Musao: Bunny: I bring to you Jet Grind Radio
toutinette: LOL
Zephious: but £500?
D K Head: what about most overhyped?
toutinette: ZEPHIOUS
Zephious: Oo
Zephious: yes?
Musao: That game is approximately 4 years old now? 5 maybe
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Hellgate: london for overhyped =P
Demo: Tf2 is the most refibed and fun game i've played in a loong time
Lunarbunny: yeah
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: this is a problem actually, you cant really adress orange box as 1 game
Zephious: looks good
Musao: Relatively the same graphics, just a lower tier than TF2
Death: Ill go somewhere along the lines of jimgreer, I like Flash Circle Defense the best
D K Head: lol, i was thinking halo 3
toutinette: LAL
█▓▒ Psym0nkey: And released WAY to early =)
FwuffyKira: Potal anyone?
Lunarbunny: HGL I kind of want to like but the entertainment is...dry
Some_Kittens: yeah
HoH|Lt.Hanley: My opoin to about cod4 is that it is WAY to easy to level up and the new guys have a destact diadvanage.
:[SB]:DarkMan: I think the BF series is overhyped
{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: what do you guys think of the HL episodes?
FwuffyKira: Portal*
Zephious: no
|:GC:| Pasta_Man: Call of Duty 4, Modern Warfare, mostly because of the intenseness of the singleplayer campaign, and the epic multiplayer, all combined with nice movements and great sound. Graphics isnt something we havent seen before, but its definately one of the best so far.
Zephious: Bioshock
tdtaaron: i say dark cursade