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Xfire Debate Club 10th Meeting: Best of Gaming 2007
December 5th, 2007 (Open Debate Transcript - Xfire Users)

SilentSin: Hello All

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: indeed

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: halo ftw

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: hi

♥ wMute ♥: The Forums need to be added in the Xfire Debate club page

tdtaaron: hi

mind6666: Sup

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Hey all =)

[RedArrows] Grenade: hi

Death: hello

Zephious: hello

toutinette: lol

[D]3V1lSp33d: Should be fun :)

Some_Kittens: ftw?

Riobux: Hey/

SilentSin: halo.... lets not get started

Death: for the win

tdtaaron: wow

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Hai

Some_Kittens: thanks

TheATXKiller: Lo

Teh Moose: don't start with halo haha

killer_ikke: hello

BIRDYBANG!!!!: halo is just a nub game.

D K Head: lol, no

TheATXKiller: Yeah

[D]3V1lSp33d: Halo 2 on Vista? not a winner at all.

Teh Moose: don't start man

mind6666: BioShock ftw

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: great argument :/

Zephious: Halo is nice on Xbox 360

TheATXKiller: Hlo isn't GOTY material IMHO...

Some_Kittens: and it made by micorsoft

toutinette: wow

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: vista - not a winner at all

Riobux: Halo series doesn't even deserve mention...

Lunarbunny: never suggest halo to a PC gamer

toutinette: confusing

tdtaaron: so what should we be in

Death: Vista is no good, supports few games

Death: Linux is alot better

killer_ikke: no if it is a halo game it would be halo 3

Zephious: its good

Zephious: Vista is better now

Riobux: Halo is poor at best, it's over-rated.

[HT]den48248: Linux!!!

Teh Moose: but you mentioned it..

BIRDYBANG!!!!: dude i bet pc could run halo 10 fold wut xbox cant

D K Head: consoles are outdated objects now, PC's can outiatnce the piles of cheap plastic and old computer parts

Death: Even XP is better then Vista

Zephious: much better than its realise

Some_Kittens: Linux!

[HT]den48248: hardly any games are supported

[xfire] Spencer: Linux doesn't support uhm, like, anything else.

killer_ikke: true

TheATXKiller: Halo IS overrated

♥ wMute ♥: if halo came out on PC, PC gamers would be fanboying it up on halo as much as Xbots

SilentSin: eh, unforunately im running Vista Ultimate, its a pain but hopefully it will improve

Some_Kittens: immensly

tdtaaron: what roomshould we be in

TheATXKiller: I say Portal

SilentSin: Halo IS overrated i agree

TheATXKiller: It seems so small and such

Zephious: well

Death: Yeah, I don't see whats so good about it

TheATXKiller: Like an add-on game

[D]3V1lSp33d: I'm saying TF2, it's really fun.

Zephious: by next year

Lunarbunny: I think Portal gets my vote because it's INNOVATIVE. I mean, how innovative is Call of Duty 4 or Unreal Tournament 3?

Marc: halo<cod4

Zephious: Vista should be good enough to play

TheATXKiller: But it's incredible

BIRDYBANG!!!!: COH!!!!! FTW!! best rts

D K Head: should we provide reasons aswell as saying three words? it might provide more insight

Teh Moose: its overrated but it doesnt mean its bad

TheATXKiller: Althouth so is Crysis

Riobux: Wow...It feels strange to be surrounded by people who aren't just saying Halo series is the best...

Zephious: and Bioshock is origional

Death: If it wasn't for the book series, they wouldn't of sold so many copies

Some_Kittens: portal was crazy

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: the thing that sucks about halo is it only supports 16 players

SilentSin: for FPS my vote goes to Cod4

Teh Moose: just means it got more credit than it was

Scheme: Call of duty 4 one of the best games for 07' :D

RED_x10an14_3x: I am in a Halo clan!

killer_ikke: yes portal is really a new thing, it is original

Lunarbunny: Not only innovative but it was fun at the same time

TheATXKiller: COD4 is a damn great game

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: you cant rly fault Halo too much gameplay wise....in all honesty.....its a sequel with very few new features......so its as good as the original Halo but very little better

Scheme: FPS = CoD4

RED_x10an14_3x: I Love the halo games and books

Zephious: What is COD4 like?

Teh Moose: Bioshock for me

EvIl_-_RuM: cod4 is great

Zephious: i want it :(

Lunarbunny: I mean there have been some really bad innovative games :p

killer_ikke: and fun ofcourse :)

[D]3V1lSp33d: Portal is confusing the crap out of me :P

TheATXKiller: COD4 feels like youre in a movie

EvIl_-_RuM: and bioshock

tdtaaron: i say Cark cursade gets my vote

Scheme: Fantastic = CoD4

BIRDYBANG!!!!: rts = company of heroes

tdtaaron: dark

TheATXKiller: Unlike the other COD games.

SilentSin: CoD4 is exctasy

SilentSin: lol

Zephious: lol

Lunarbunny: rts = WiC

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: COD 4 is very immersive :)

EvIl_-_RuM: lol

♥ wMute ♥: I don't think the maximum amount of players per game makes a game less fun. Goldeneye MP was 4 players, and it's easily one of the greatest multiplayer experiences in a living room

Demo: CoH got fucked by OP

Scheme: How is company odf heros?

Scheme: of*

SilentSin: CoD4 needs more though

Demo: oF*

Gilbert Rivera: I say CoD4 for everything lol. Even though it was sorta short it was an awsome game. Great Graphics...Great everything!

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I do have to agree, COD4 does present its self in a very immersive.. fasion? style?

Zephious: hmm

tdtaaron: dark cursade gets my vote

Zephious: well, COD4 is a late realise

Zephious: oh yae

Lunarbunny: WiC I liked the pace and graphics

Zephious: DC!

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: how is cod4?

Zephious: Dark crusade is dam good

EvIl_-_RuM: amazing

[D]3V1lSp33d: Well what's everyones FPS votes?

SilentSin: hopefully they will come out with more weapons, maps, and such

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: intense :)

Gilbert Rivera: Its awsome

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I especially loved the first mission

Demo: i dought the demo was crap

The Terminator: cod4 is awesome

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: That to me made buying Cod4 worth it

Zephious: sounds it

BIRDYBANG!!!!: i want coh but modern combat with a1 abrams

tdtaaron: ya i love graphics

Lunarbunny: FPS: Portal. RTS: WIC

Death: Forget CoD4, I can't wait for SC2

Scheme: Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag : Call of duty is a pretty good game its like a roller coaster ride =D

Zephious: know someone whos playing it

RED_x10an14_3x: g2g its 8 ttyl

Zephious: they rubbed it in my fice

Riobux: I haven't tried the best, but the one I think is the most revolutionary game I've played is Skate.

Zephious: well, Bioshock is my favourite

Lunarbunny: CoD4 I like (just go the golden AK) but I don't think it qualifies as the winner

Zephious: so far, at least

tdtaaron: what room should we be in

Lunarbunny: got*

♥ wMute ♥: Guys: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns

killer_ikke: i don't really like CoD

Some_Kittens: skate isnt' 2007

Riobux: I mean, I know it isn't the best. But it has changed the skateboarding platform.

Dr.Nick: rts, coh:of despite the unbalance =p

TheATXKiller: COD4 is definatly a candidate. It's the closest "feel like your in a movie" game I've ever played; the production values are great, and it's got a strong story.

EvIl_-_RuM: id say either cod4 or bioshock

Zephious: lmao

Riobux: It is acording to the box Kittens.

D K Head: ...no

killer_ikke: i would chooce for portal

SilentSin: Crysis is a great game BUT it was drowned out almost completely by CoD4's beauty.

Death: Runescape is so boring

Demo: i'd say bioshock as it uppered the bar in atmosphere

Riobux: At least the Pal version is...

HoH|Lt.Hanley: CoD4 is really over rated.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Lets talk aobut the Wii :D lol

Zephious: god almighty

Death: Wii rocks

TheATXKiller: Crysis I think lived up to the hype.

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: wii sucks

[D]3V1lSp33d: Wii FTL

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well hold up, lets not forget about Team fortress 2

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: RUNESCAPE IS ADDICTIVE, I'LL GIVE IT THAT ^^ BUT I WOULD NEVER PLAY IT AGAIN

[HT]den48248: Crysis is overrated

♥ wMute ♥: Crysis is a great game engine, but a poor game

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: oops caps

Scheme: Call of duty 4 or Halo3?

Lunarbunny: Metroid Prime 3 isn't bad but it needs less shots to kill enemies

tdtaaron: ya it is bd

[HT]den48248: you need a great computer

Zephious: no

Death: Wii is the best system because of its interactivity

Lunarbunny: that was annoying

tdtaaron: tbad

Zephious: its mainly COD4 or Bioshock

Death: inferrior to PC, though

killer_ikke: TF2 is a nice game indeed

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: wii is for kids

Riobux: Scheme, it will never be Halo 3.

TheATXKiller: Yeah...

Gilbert Rivera: I say Wii must die...The end

Riobux: Never.

[HT]den48248: and the gameplay isnt the best

Lunarbunny: I haven't played SMG yet

killer_ikke: it really looks funny

Scheme: Wii got a 0 on all its ratings

EvIl_-_RuM: maybe crysis too

Zephious: Bioshock all the way

[D]3V1lSp33d: TF2 will make it in the top 5 I'm pretty sure.

Some_Kittens: is this only for pc?

tdtaaron: go main room

BIRDYBANG!!!!: cod4 is a beast witch blows halo3 out of the water!!!!

TheATXKiller: Crysis' hoog sys requirements are...a minus

HoH|Lt.Hanley: I never played BioShock is it good?

Marc: CO04 ALL THE WAY

Zephious: ok

Teh Moose: yes

Death: whats CO04?

Demo: Crysis, runs so horribly it failed in being GOTY contender

Bigsmoke1337SA=XBGamertag: call of duty 4

Zephious: Oo

killer_ikke: TF 2 will not be the #1 but it is a nice game to play

Zephious: their speaking

Teh Moose: ahhh what is crysis?!

Demo: 2 years scale back my ass

D K Head: spam much? anyway, i'd say portal, due to its incredibly innovative gameplay, and incredibly dark sense of humor

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Calm down :)

Zephious: Bioshock...

D K Head: its incredible :P

* Zephious threatens people to think the same

Lunarbunny: I can't wait for more official Portal content

Some_Kittens: the problme w/TF2, is it ignores us dialupers

Demo: the cake is a lie

♥ wMute ♥: if there was a 'best engine' discussion, i'd probobly say Crysis. But we're talking best "games", and Crysis is merely a fancy graphics engine, but a generic game

The Terminator: Call Of Duty 4 is the best

Some_Kittens: im for portal

ViRuS: CoD4 is deffinely on the category of good graphic and when compared to crysis the ai is much better too. in cyrsis the ai will do some pretty stupid stuff where as in cod4 at least they present a challenge

* Lunarbunny is wearing a Portal T-shirt

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: tf2 rocks

TheATXKiller: Bioshock had the best story and atmosphere...

tdtaaron: go main

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: and if u have dialup get a faster internet

TheATXKiller: But I still think portal

Demo: tf2 or bioshock

TheATXKiller: It's more than the sum of it's parts.

Zephious: Bioshock is origional

Some_Kittens: i cant

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well, graphics wise, TF2 is good, but its no match for Cod4 or bioshock

[Xfire] Jubjub: Please do not spam, use all CAPS and please stay on topic in this room, thanks.

Zephious: ive never seen a game like it

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: but gameplay, I love TF2

HoH|Lt.Hanley: CoD4 though is way to linear! It need to be alot more opened.

D K Head: why?

EvIl_-_RuM: bioshock,cod4,portal or crysis are the best id say

Lunarbunny: Bioshock had a good story, atmosphere, and graphics but I think System Shock outdid it and at the same time I think Bioshock isn't really that innovative.

killer_ikke: UT 3 has got a great AI but it didn't rise up to my expactations

Demo: style wise tf2 and bioshock kill cod4

tdtaaron: go main room

BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis is a trilogy

Zephious: Bioshock

SilentSin: BioShock wasnt that great in my opinion. Yea it looked great the idea was awsome but it didnt feel awsome enough for me to buy it. CoD3 on the other hand has me addicted. I bought Crysis and CoD4 together and i find myself playing CoD4 way more than Crysis.

D K Head: give FPS players non liner paths, and they will complain about lack of direction

Scheme: U gotta think about COD3 took a big leap to become COD4 Just think about it

♥ wMute ♥: Call of Duty 4 wasn't exactly aiming for "artistic style points"

toutinette: HI

Zephious: hello

Demo: style is more importent than graphics in many cases

Some_Kittens: I didnetn get invited to main room

BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis is a not totally liner play

toutinette: lol

EvIl_-_RuM: lol

Some_Kittens: yeah

Lunarbunny: Demo: agreed, see WoW

D K Head: Demo is right there

Riobux: Without a doubt.

toutinette: only pros sry

Zephious: WoW-BC...no

tdtaaron: go main floor

Riobux: I'd prefer a stylish and fun game than something that looks flashy.

Zephious: too expensive :P

Some_Kittens: fun is waht its all about

Zephious: lol

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Please then maybe gamers need to start useing there heads i come from Splinter Cell and oblivion backround so maybe its just me.

Gilbert Rivera: WoW got borring....My account kept getting hacked so I switched to BF2...Now my CD Key got hacked

♥ wMute ♥: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns: Fun

Zephious: unlucky

Demo: WoW didn't do it for me

EvIl_-_RuM: wows isnt boring at all

Riobux: How do you keep getting hacked?

Demo: too mindless

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: COD 4 and TF2 are definitly the top 2 games of 07

Teh Moose: wow was ok but not worth $15 a month for me

Zephious: I think

Lunarbunny: I don't care about WoW myself but I think style has won over technical graphical capabilities with the number of subscribers

tdtaaron: go main floor

EvIl_-_RuM: u should have gone the 6 month way

Zephious: you might have a key logger on your PC dude

BIRDYBANG!!!!: LOL!!!!! DRAGONFORCE!!!

:[SB]:DarkMan: not definately

Gilbert Rivera: Until the Lich King comes out...Im not touching my WoW Zboard anymore

EvIl_-_RuM: saved a lot of money

Teh Moose: theres 3 windows

Some_Kittens: k

:[SB]:DarkMan: yes there is

Demo: what defines game of the year? revalution or evalution?

Zephious: will there be a warcraft 4?

The Terminator: What is better, bioshock or crysis ???

♥ wMute ♥: Team Fortress 2 is fun, but if you look at the game as a whole, it seems like it's half a game compared to other releases.

D K Head: heh wheres zeropunctuation, i wonder?

Some_Kittens: im thinking revolution

killer_ikke: bioshock

SilentSin: WoW is to expensive for what it has in my opinion they need to lower monthly costs. Then i bet their playerbase will increse even more. Especially for people who want to run multi accounts.

tdtaaron: go et

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Crysis is flawed in the way it overdoses on looks.........the gameplay there's few faults i can find for a game of its genre............but the mere fact that it's targeted a select market of gamers....anyone would think they have a contract with NVidia

Demo: bioshock

Zephious: yes

BIRDYBANG!!!!: crysis i think i love the game

Zephious: Bioshock has my vote

tdtaaron: Go ET

SilentSin: Crysis > Biosshock in my opinion

Lunarbunny: eh, crysis is for the technical eye-candy

TheATXKiller: LOL.

Zephious: Et...old

Gilbert Rivera: CoD4 and assassin's Creed for me

EvIl_-_RuM: i really cant decide..... a lot of good games came out

♥ wMute ♥: Crysis is eye-candy. In terms of actual gameplay, it's severely generic

Zephious: true

Zephious: i just need to play 'em all :P

Riobux: I can't decide, partly because I can't touch most new games.

Lunarbunny: good luck

Teh Moose: bioshock was good don't put it down

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Assassin's Creed is good Ill agree there

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Crysis though remember is the first game useing the engine think about FryCry 2 wich should be alot better.

Teh Moose: never a dull moment

Death: I didn't really like assasins creed, I prefered Oblivion by much more

Zephious: I like Bioshock

D K Head: prehaps it'd be a decent idea to select games for diffrent traits, replayability... storytelling... controls... graphics... etc

ViRuS: crysis is hard to consider as being a top game the ai is not that great and alotough the graphicsare great what game today doesn't have amazing fx

Demo: Crysis= uber graphics and cool physics annd um yay?!

The Terminator: i want to get assassins creed for PC but its not out yet :(

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: bioshock is ok, but definitely not top game

D K Head: because we're not getting anywhere with this :P

killer_ikke: yes great idea

Demo: bioshock got patched today i think

Some_Kittens: physics are better than eye candy, but this comes from a hardcore nerd

Demo: new plasmids

Lunarbunny: recently at least

Zephious: Oo

Zephious: here it comes

killer_ikke: what is the best game if you are looking at the graphics

Demo: crysis

D K Head: lets start off with graphics, any thoughts?

FwuffyKira: Definately.

Zephious: Bioshock

SilentSin: Best gane for graphics going with Crysis

Teh Moose: bio

Zephious: no doubt about it

SilentSin: game*

Christina: Well that's an excellent starting question.

 

[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: *****FIRST QUESTION*****

 

RobFahey: What, in your view, is the best game of 2007? One game only please!

FwuffyKira: Crysis.

♥ wMute ♥: How about this as a question: Why are "top games" considered to be CoD4, Bioshock, Crysis, Halo 3, etc. What about other less popular, but equally great games of 2007... like Fire Pro Wrestling Returns

Demo: are we combimded style with graphics?

Zephious: Bioshock was origional in many ways

D K Head: i thought assassin's creed was decent with graphics tbh

Demo: conbinding*

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it depends what kind of gamer you are...crysis wins graphics hands down

Some_Kittens: overall popularity?

4o7.dc | Pause [TTHS]: Hey guys :)

Gilbert Rivera: Out of all the games in the world...I'd say Call of Duty 4 Multiplayer! Aside from all the arguing online its great!

Some_Kittens: units sold?

Zephious: combining the two...was new

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: COD 4

Riobux: Bioshock? Original?

Musao: Graphics - I would go with

BIRDYBANG!!!!: if bioshock and crysis combined that would be a AWSOME game

Riobux: Give me a break.

Zephious: COD 4 is too new really

Musao: Probably Bioshock

-:KSA:- Skree: Got to be TF2

Riobux: It was pratically a copy!

killer_ikke: o\\that's a hard question

Zephious: it needs more time to mature

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: CoD 4 Has it all in my opinion

Musao: TF2 was unique of its own accord in its use of cel-shading, which is a dying concept in gfx

Zephious: Bioshock

FwuffyKira: It was.

Christina: Best is so subjective, but it's interesting to see what people are drawn to.

HoH|Lt.Hanley: The Cal of Duty muiltplayer is way too much consoly. In my oppoin cod4 was made for the xbox and ps3 not the pc.

killer_ikke: i would go for portals.

D K Head: rob, dont forget to throw in a PC for them to play it on... or a console that is

FwuffyKira: TF2 was a very good FPS game.

Demo: if we look at the overall visuals of the game i'd say tf2 or bioshock

Zephious: Yes, it does seem that way

Teh Moose: bioshock and crysis wouldnt make sense

Some_Kittens: i like the idea of teamwork in TF2

Riobux: It was not original, see System Shock 2.

Scheme: Nah ps3 is not a shooter console

Teh Moose: at all

Lunarbunny: Musao: how is it a dying concept? It's relatively recent considering the fact that it requires MORE overhead

-:KSA:- Skree: The best multiplayer FPS in a long time

toutinette: ps3

toutinette: PRO

FwuffyKira: But I would have to say Portal was a great game.

Zephious: naa...not PS3

toutinette: YES

Zephious: too expensive

Scheme: CoD4 was best made for xbox nd PC

Teh Moose: portal was fun

Zephious: wayyy too expensive

FwuffyKira: It was.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: oh definately, orange box, at this point i have to say is probably the most well rounded set this year

toutinette: 1080p TV 56¨

♥ wMute ♥: Fire Pro Wrestling Returns. In terms of it's pure focus on what has made the franchise extremely popular amongsts wrestling fans, it keeps a sense of what made it popular and that's Gameplay and Customization. Take a look at other wrestling games, or any other game, there's always a sense of adding more Eyecandy yet fail in terms of gameplay. That's where FPWR is in my opinion, the best game of 2007, in terms of achieving what it strides to do: pure gameplay and pure fun

|:GC:| Pasta_Man: Call of Duty 4, Modern Warfare, mostly because of the intenseness of the singleplayer campaign, and the epic multiplayer, all combined with nice movements and great sound. Graphics isnt something we havent seen before, but its definately one of the best so far.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Personal opinion would be Call of duty 4. The graphics are incredible, the gameplay is amazing, and it has great replay value.

Gilbert Rivera: PLAYSTATION(Sony all together) FOR LIFE HIYAHHHH

toutinette: wow

-:KSA:- Skree: It has everything, including a unique style, a real team based gameplay style, lots of classes, but most importantly, a specific role for every class

toutinette: this

EvIl_-_RuM: i think portal will turn out to be a good game but for me the demo didnt have enough content

Zephious: I have a PS2

toutinette: is

Zephious: its good

Musao: Bunny: I bring to you Jet Grind Radio

toutinette: LOL

Zephious: but £500?

D K Head: what about most overhyped?

toutinette: ZEPHIOUS

Zephious: Oo

Zephious: yes?

Musao: That game is approximately 4 years old now? 5 maybe

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Hellgate: london for overhyped =P

Demo: Tf2 is the most refibed and fun game i've played in a loong time

Lunarbunny: yeah

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: this is a problem actually, you cant really adress orange box as 1 game

Zephious: looks good

Musao: Relatively the same graphics, just a lower tier than TF2

Death: Ill go somewhere along the lines of jimgreer, I like Flash Circle Defense the best

D K Head: lol, i was thinking halo 3

toutinette: LAL

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: And released WAY to early =)

FwuffyKira: Potal anyone?

Lunarbunny: HGL I kind of want to like but the entertainment is...dry

Some_Kittens: yeah

HoH|Lt.Hanley: My opoin to about cod4 is that it is WAY to easy to level up and the new guys have a destact diadvanage.

:[SB]:DarkMan: I think the BF series is overhyped

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: what do you guys think of the HL episodes?

FwuffyKira: Portal*

Zephious: no

|:GC:| Pasta_Man: Call of Duty 4, Modern Warfare, mostly because of the intenseness of the singleplayer campaign, and the epic multiplayer, all combined with nice movements and great sound. Graphics isnt something we havent seen before, but its definately one of the best so far.

Zephious: Bioshock

tdtaaron: i say dark cursade

Lunarbunny: FwuffyKira: I'm wearing a Portal shirt

♥ wMute ♥: Call of Duty 4 was great, don't get me wrong. I loved the singleplayer experience. But when you compare it to the other Call of Duty games, it's what you expected. It looks great, plays great... but when it comes down to it, COD4's Singleplayer is nothing but Scripted and Artificial action

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well, the game is fun, but all the bugs make the game so fusterating to play

killer_ikke: no indead you should just pick 1 game out of the orange box

Some_Kittens: lunar: we get ur shirt

:[SB]:DarkMan: I mean, every BF game is just like the old one... only a bit more new graphics, and mabye new maps

:[SB]:DarkMan: but that's just me

Christina: With The Orange Box, you'd definitely have to break it down, though the sum of those parts is probably the best package of the year.

Zephious: Naa

♥ wMute ♥: And to me, Scripted action is not gameplay... it's an interactive movie. That's why i can't consider COD4 as the best game of 2007

Some_Kittens: orange box dosn't count

Zephious: BF2142 was completely different

Zephious: i mean, it focused more on ranking

D K Head: BF bad company looks a bit diffrent though

:[SB]:DarkMan: not really, if you think about it

Zephious: and weapons unlocking

Demo: Bioshock made atmosphere front and center building the story and gameplay around rapture

tdtaaron: so were we go

D K Head: but thats not out yet,... so moving on...

Christina: My problem with CoD4 is that it's sthe same linear action as the original CoD.

Zephious: I did like Bioshock...

EvIl_-_RuM: call of duty 4's singleplayer was a bit too short in my opinion but the multiplayer more than made up for it and more

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Definently Rum

FwuffyKira: Lunarbunny: Cool. Im getting one on Xmas.

Christina: They haven't innovated enough

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yeh, TF2 may be most popular amongst online gamers, but i think portal should be taken into consideration

♥ wMute ♥: exactly, Christina. There's no OMG moments like in BF2's multiplayer. Everything is scripted; you play it once, you know what's coming when you play it again

Demo: portal is interesting

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: see i loved portal

:[SB]:DarkMan: Christina: well, they sacraficed dynamic campaigns for good story and nice events...

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: so many great factors incorporated in 1 game

Lunarbunny: My problem with CoD4 is that it doesn't bring too much innovation to gaming...although the create-a-class and perks are good

FwuffyKira: Portal was great.

Demo: too short though

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: but it needs to be longer

 

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RobFahey: Orange Box is pretty much impossible to beat on value, definitely - but since everyone seems uncomfortable with counting it as one game, what would your choices be if we split it up into its constituent parts?

Teh Moose: I hate horror games and movies etc, but bioshock was great

Demo: 3 hours?

Gilbert Rivera: CoD4 online is amazing...Singleplayer a bit short and very challenging...I love challenges. Also Assassin's Creed which was made by the Prince of Persia makers....I give it 4/5 stars. Call of Duty 4 9999/5 stars!

:[SB]:DarkMan: Christina: tho I can feel your pain, it is very scripted

FwuffyKira: Short!

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Thank you somone agrees. CoD4 would have been ten timwes better if the maps were bigger less linear gameplay and vechiles like UO!

The Terminator: Cod4 mutliplayer is awesome, its cool the way you get levels and get new weapons when you level up

Lunarbunny: Portal

FwuffyKira: It was perfect!

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

killer_ikke: yes if you ask me portals is the best game because it is a hole new game.

Riobux: I'm going to take a quiet shot in the dark here and Skate. I suport the under-dog mostly and this is my under-dog. The game was at least released in 2007 in the UK. The game has dramaticly changed our view of how a skateboarding game should be done. I can't name a single game that has revolutionized it's genre like Skate. has. The main highlight being the "trick stick". Meaning, you'll never feel like the game is too easy. You'll always been struggling to pull off that inward heelflip and so on. The realism is great as well. It has basicly killed a series that has been at it for many years, Tony Hawks series.

EvIl_-_RuM: they didnt put enough challenges i think in it tho

Lunarbunny: definitely portal. Innovative, humorous, and brain-twistingly-awesome.

Demo: bf2142 had that awhile ago and bf2

Teh Moose: well so was creed

tdtaaron: i say dark cursade for being great alll around

Teh Moose: sort of

Zephious: Dark Crusade was good...ish

Christina: Multiplayer is one thing, but you can't neglect the campaign. That's my feeling.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Portal seems like the most well rounded game, it has wit, humour, logic and gaming co-ordination skill

Teh Moose: its a new control it doesnt make it the best

[SJO]JkKolak*C: when i first started playing CoD4 it seemed a lot of like battlefield 2

Zephious: but the campain gets repetitve

Dr.Nick: i hate skate

EvIl_-_RuM: if they had more challenges maybe more levels of challenges that got u up faster it would be better

Musao: I think that Portal was very interesting and innovative, yes, but there's no way I would register it in for game of the year. It's a great idea yes, but it just doesn't tip the market in its favor, it took a very specific crowd due to the learning curve getting as hard as it did in most cases. No online play really hinders it for the running as well - seeing as how all games these days almost REQUIRE online play to have any running

tdtaaron: it was great dark cursade was

EvIl_-_RuM: just because it took so long to get up to 55

Lunarbunny: My only issue with the CoD4 campaign was the end of One Shot One Kill

FwuffyKira: Portal mixed the idea with an FPS and a puzzle. One of the best games ever. A great game with really nice features and fun to play.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Portal but it does need more to it, it was a short game.

SilentSin: Orange Box should be considered different parts because its more like a package deal.

Some_Kittens: portal was short

jimgreer (Kongregate): anyone played the flash version of portal? http://www.kongregate.com/games/Dragy/portal-the-flash-version

Gilbert Rivera: I say the Mario Series was the best out of all the games in the world...Just kidding Counter Strike and Call of Duty all together is the best

-:KSA:- Skree: Portal is all well and good, but for a game to be truely amazing, it hsa to be long lasting, and Portal just doesn't have the replayablility. For replayability, it's just got to be Team Fortress 2

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: As far as the orange box is concerned, I will give my vote to Team fortress 2. The game just makes me laugh and i have a good time playing it.

Christina: I'd go with Portal as well. The originality alone scores major points. But they also made it fun.

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Yea Cod4 muiltplayer ended really badly if you ask me.

Zephious: not COD4

Some_Kittens: saw the flash portal on stumble

SilentSin: Original Game = Portal hands down

D K Head: Portal, without a doubt. while TF2 and HL2ep2 provide some real meat to the box, portal is truely the perfect part. the artisticly minamalist style, mixed with the grim humor of the AI program truely bring the dark, twisted metalplated walls of apature science labs to life, with some unsettling extra bits thrown in

Zephious: i think....hmmm

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: my only bone to pick with portal is that, despite, yes there are different time achievements....there's a lack of extra features which i can see great potential for

Lunarbunny: has anybody else noticed the multiplayer slump on cod4?

Scheme: stfu for ya wack ass games

FwuffyKira: Portal wins by far.

Some_Kittens: original, but the best?

Christina: Flash Portal was great. I got stuck on level 16 or something though.

Scheme: omg im sryu

Zephious: I've never actually played Portal

Scheme: COD4 good game

Zephious: what was it like

tdtaaron: were we goo thou to type our vote

FwuffyKira: Great.

FwuffyKira: Buy it now.

D K Head: short, but sweet... very sweet

Zephious: apart from that

Scheme: where do we go to type out vote

♥ wMute ♥: Call of Duty 4 is a fun game... but it's not the type of multiplayer game that'll last ages, the way Battlefield 2 and TF2 will last

Zephious: storyline?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: oooh COD4 over Halo 3

tdtaaron: ya

Scheme: COD4 will last MUT

Some_Kittens: there is not "vote"

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i think theyve got it right :)

FwuffyKira: Go read a review?

Zephious: ok

Zephious: :)

FwuffyKira: ^^

D K Head: not much, but what little there is leaves you begging for more

:[SB]:DarkMan: I think COD needs 2 things...

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Mute i agree with you i have already stoped playing CoD4 muiltplayer.

[Xfire] OneSoul: After playing Bioshock, Halo3 pales by comparison.

Zephious: cool

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Gilbert Rivera: I think im the one talking less out of everyone here...

Zephious: Bioshock is origional

EvIl_-_RuM: halo 3 just didnt do much

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: COD4 superceeds Halo by far, anyone got ideas why?

[Xfire] Supercop007: One of the best parts about portal was that in the whole scope of the Half Life universe, they still managed to fit it into the storyline.

EvIl_-_RuM: they way bioshock did

Christina: My first online MP experience was with the original CoD, and I agree that BF2 holds up better.

Riobux: Julianne: Do you think a Nintendo game stands a chance of being GOTY due to the mess called a console which is commonly known as a Nintendo Wii?

:[SB]:DarkMan: 1) bots

2) more dynamic campaign

3) better mod support

:[SB]:DarkMan: well, that's 3 things

tdtaaron: i say medieval 2 total war was good

Some_Kittens: halo was an extension, not something new

Demo: Cod needs a story and originality and non crapply designed linear sp levels

ViRuS: Cod was a good game for a movie like experience it was like your in a movie but you have no choices

Teh Moose: assasin's creed was orriginal in theme and game play but it doesnt make it the best

Demo: i just beat medi2 yesterday

♥ wMute ♥: I'm curious: a lot of people that are jumping on the Bioshock bandwagon, have you even played the other games like System Shock and all that?

Lunarbunny: I wouldn't call the Wii a "mess of a console." The console itself is reasonable, it's the 3rd party games coming out that make it look bad.

Christina: Mess of a console?

Teh Moose: portal shouldnt be based on just the control

:[SB]:DarkMan: well, they aren't that crappy designed

-:KSA:- Skree: Riobux: how can you call the console which won the console war so far a failure?

tdtaaron: go medi2

Zephious: the Wii looks like a good idea

D K Head: halo was overhyped and audiances were overexpectant of the series? like a political leader being thought of as a god, he just cant push back the tides, no matter how much his people love him

ViRuS: cod4 lacks the freedom of gameplay and that is its downfall

Gilbert Rivera: BF2 is the greatest PC game I ever played and I think if you want some good multiplayer action get that with the mod Project Reality if your good with team work...

:[SB]:DarkMan: the only problem is that you have no choices as the guy above pointed out

[SJO]JkKolak*C: i agree that the maps on CoD4 multiplayer could use some serious revamping, other than that, its not bad with multiplayer, unlike Cod2 and other multiplayer games u dont usually get much in the way of a goal, this way u can work to get new weapons/rank/skins/etc.

Zephious: BF2 isn't 2007

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Assassains Creed wasn't really original that style of game has been done before.

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Gilbert Rivera: Just making a suggestion to get it lol =/

Some_Kittens: what about non shooters?

Riobux: Yeah, just look at Prince Of Persia...

:[SB]:DarkMan: if I can throw in my 2 cents, UT3 is the best

Death: Oblivion was alot more immersive the AC, and alot more fun

-:KSA:- Skree: CoD4 just doesn't have the revolutionary aspect to make it a true GoTY contender

tdtaaron: i liked assesin of creed

Teh Moose: the controls is what i ment

Some_Kittens: other than of course portals

:[SB]:DarkMan: non-shooters? CIV IV is 07, right?

♥ wMute ♥: Oblivion and AC are totally different game genres

EvIl_-_RuM: they need to make it better tho...... if they made an actuall just assassanation game it would sell really good i htink

D K Head: 1up

Bioshock is a shooter at heart, same mechainics... it just has added features

-:KSA:- Skree: I mean, we've seen customisable FPS classes since BF2142

Dr.Nick: Andy is my hero!

Demo: bf is the past present and future of gaming

Demo: for the moment

ViRuS: civ 4 is not 07

-:KSA:- Skree: and we've seen a lot of realistic FPSs

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Assassins Creed is a perfect mixture of both Splinter Cell and Prince of persia. Wich are two of the best game series out there.

Demo: look at all the team based games this year

:[SB]:DarkMan: damn

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Assains Creed is a great game but it has been done before.

:[SB]:DarkMan: gtg

:[SB]:DarkMan: bye

Zephious: hmm

-:KSA:- Skree: i.e. Insurgency mod

Zephious: ok, bye

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: thing is COD 4 is a very much a multiplayer game, its flaw is that the singleplayer is far too short, its another fine example of half a perfect game, theyve targeted simply multiplayer audiences

Zephious: well....its ok

killer_ikke: it looks like CoD 4 and portals are the most selected games. in the main room and over here

Christina: That's well stated. Great year for games, with a lot of choices for different tastes.

D K Head: ah now theres a question, does this debate include recent mods for HL2 and other games?

-:KSA:- Skree: but we've not seen anything like Team Fortress 2 for a long time... since, in fact, Team Fortress Classic :)

Zephious: Mass Effect...Oo

Zephious: I wish i did have an xbox

Some_Kittens: considering bounter strike was a mod

[SJO]JkKolak*C: i thought the single player for cod4 was great, and not short, but thats probably because i play on veteran

♥ wMute ♥: but if we were to jduge games solely on artistic merit, I'd give a lot of points to Assasin's Creed for transporting the player into a completely different point in history. It's easily the most immersive game in terms of a non-modern theme. How many games are there that can pull off a historical 'feel' like medievel Jerusalem

tdtaaron: i want a 360

Christina: TF2 is probably the most pure fun in an FPS I've ever had.

Lunarbunny: at the same time CoD4's singleplayer I felt had a good pacing

Death: While they may be different genres, Assasins Creed is just killing people and showing amazing acrobatics, which you can do in Oblivion. Oblivion also has alot more aspects to it, and I would've voted for it if it was made in 2007 (it was made in 2006, right?)

Riobux: Could I ask one of the people in the Main Floor a question?

[SJO]JkKolak*C: i agree lunarbunny

D K Head: Obliv dosent have a very good combat system though

Some_Kittens: 2006

Some_Kittens: srry

D K Head: its more like an RPG

-:KSA:- Skree: Christina, that's what it's all about, pure fun

Zephious: Yes.....ii seems good

[Xfire] Supercop007: I think some consideration to hand-held games should be merited as well. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass was superb.

Demo: obliv is decent

Zephious: Wii*

Some_Kittens: it was good thoug

Demo: i like the witcher for rpgs though

D K Head: decent, yes

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: But if you think about it multiplayer is where everyone stays for an extended period of time, when you beat a game you usually dont keep playing the campaign for a year after its release, they are targeting long term, therefore multiplayer is typically better.

♥ wMute ♥: Oblivion, to me, was boring. Why? Because, compared to other CRPGS like even the 2D Baldur's Gate, it doesn't compare to the richness and personality of the world, characters and most importantly, the story

Zephious: gnn

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well oblivion, if you strip it down to its core, isnt that great of a game. Sure when you add all the graphics, its easy to get lost in the game, but all the quests are generic

EvIl_-_RuM: i would choose assassins creed over oblivion tho....... oblivion doesnt offer enough... felxibility everything its forced onto u

Demo: great story

-:KSA:- Skree: it's got everything that's fun in an FPS and condensed it down and polished it and made a game out of it

tdtaaron: so why cant we chat in main floor

D K Head: i wonder if minesweeper can be chosen...

Some_Kittens: back to the future...

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: and while the dark brotherhood questline is FUN! the rest is lacking

Dr.Nick: Andy is the wisest person in the wordl

Demo: we're not importent enough

Death: The quests may be generic, but the mod support is simply amazing

Zephious: GTA:SA

Riobux: But the question it all boils down to is, what makes a game a good game?

-:KSA:- Skree: PHourglass had some good bits

Zephious: bOO

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Oblivion is AMAZING! You just need good mods for it.

Teh Moose: the controls for creed havent been done have they?

D K Head: fun

Riobux: What makes it game of the year?

♥ wMute ♥: Agreed, Psym0nkey. Oblivion was boring, IMO. It doesn't compare to Baldur's Gate 2, or Fallout, or other computer RPGS

Riobux: Is it graphics?

D K Head: but then again, that isnt always true

killer_ikke: ofcourse C&C3 TW is also a great game of 2007, altough it wasn't really what i expected

Teh Moose: and i think oblivion was really slow and drawn out

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I dont really think much of Asassin's creed, sorry, and it was a hard decision to make, but there's just too much unoriginality with the implememntation.....yes the concept is awesome, but ubisoft pull it off with the grace of a hippopotomous in ballet shoes

Riobux: Is it gameplay?

Lunarbunny: eh, TW was kind of bland

Riobux: Is it how revolutionary it is?

Zephious: well, its still a good game

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: exactly =)

tdtaaron: hey why cant we chat in main floor

Death: I have a whole load of mods for it, and it is a great game. Its not just about graphics, its about being able to do what you want, when you want

ViRuS: oblivion was not meant to have a strong story it was made to be a simulation of whatever you wanted to do in it . pure freedom

Demo: replayibilty, wtf omg that's amazing moments, atmosphere, story, gameplay, dev support

-:KSA:- Skree: but I can't say that PHourglass is a GoTY, just because it lacks that spark I want to see in new games, that revolutionary aspect that can really affect a genre

Lunarbunny: WiC was, in my opinion, much better for an action-game-junkie like me.

Riobux: You know, depending which one, you could get a thousand and one different answers.

Zephious: hmmm

Some_Kittens: a game can be great w/o innovation

D K Head: people play WOW (god knows why) for social stuff, rather then fun (unles boiling sixteen thousand low quality hides manualy for two hours is fun...)

♥ wMute ♥: what's great about Assassin's Creed is the pure flow of the animations and controls in terms of navigating through the city. I don't think there's a game that "flows" as well as Assasin's Creed, though i'm not saying that's enough to make it a great game

Zephious: Yes

Teh Moose: pretty low on freedom in oblivion...

-:KSA:- Skree: Something like what CounterStrike 1.6 did for FPSs, or what TA and Starcraft did for RTS

Teh Moose: not at all freedom..

Death: In oblivion, you can just walk up to some merchant and kill him, then pillage his shop. thats something you can't do in Baldur's Gate

D K Head: death has a point

Christina: Phnatom Hourglass sometimes did some annoying touchscreen stylus things seemingly just to do them though.

Zephious: Oo

Teh Moose: but in creed im talking about the controls

Demo: i like rob

Demo: he is nice

Some_Kittens: you mean command and conquer?

Zephious: close to out hearts

Gilbert Rivera: I really liked Heavenly Sword also

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: I still play wow just because as you said, its a social thing when your bored.

Dr.Nick: Andy is better

Zephious: and C+C...forgot about that

♥ wMute ♥: The think is, Death, why would you want to kill a merchant? I'm more interesting in characters with personality and witty dialogue, rather than just mindless killing random merchants

Teh Moose: the marrionete style or however its spelled

Zephious: it was....amazing

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Oblivonas tons of freedom like i said get some mods and the expansion packs you wont know what to do.

Zephious: did justice to the rest of the games

EvIl_-_RuM: yea but for instance after u beat oblivion they dont make it so ur recognized...... even when ur a soldier ur just a "peasent" to the soldiers

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yeah, asassins creed could have made it in my opinion, they just released it when they hadnt thought enough about actually making it a game of its own, not making it seem like "PoP 4"

Zephious: 'Thinks'

-:KSA:- Skree: For online play, there's nothing that touches TF2 in terms of stealing my evenings :)

Zephious: hehe...TF

HoH|Lt.Hanley: Dude people notice you you just have to listen better.

Zephious: TF2*

D K Head: well... Oblivs chars are quite liner... same stuff over and over again, pre inserted automatic responses that kind of ruin the experiance

EvIl_-_RuM: lol tf2 its great

[SJO]JkKolak*C: What do you guys think about Bioshock? I thought the story was odd in the way you got dropped off in the middle of the ocean, and basically had to find your way around, after getting to the first big daddy i got bored. Although the plus with it was graphics

 

[Xfire-TTHS] Debateox: *****NEXT QUESTION*****

 

RobFahey: Online games! Which online game, at the end of the year, is the one that's stolen away your evenings online - and which do you think you'll still be playing for months to come?

Demo: Tf2 of course

-:KSA:- Skree: TF2 wins hands down

EvIl_-_RuM: ea

♥ wMute ♥: Oblivion might have freedom, but then, is there truly moral freedom? COmparing Oblivion to Fallout 2, there's easily more moral freedom in the 1998 game. But alas, Oblivion isn't 2007 and it's far from the point

EvIl_-_RuM: *yea

D K Head: rob, does that include FPSs?

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: TF2 is unbeatable

Zephious: not sure about that

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i THINK wOw IS BEING OVERLOOKED

Death: wMute- Because you can be a roque, or something like that. You can run up to somebody and kill him, but then the guards will chase after you.

♥ wMute ♥: TF2: easily the best online game

EvIl_-_RuM: i agree with TF2

Zephious: I still am a BFer

Demo: it's fun and addctive

Lunarbunny: Call of Duty 4, and maybe some TF2

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: and its interesting to find out why

D K Head: or just MMOs?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: (sos caps)

Riobux: Online game: Kane And Lynch Dead Men. No contest.

killer_ikke: yes TF2 is a great multiplayer gmae but for the ones that want singleplayer games. it isn't any fun

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Unfortunatly, World of warcraft: BC is draining my life

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: =)

The Terminator: Call Of Duty 4

Zephious: Dark Crusade....could never play that online

-:KSA:- Skree: No, TF2 isn't made for single player fans though

Zephious: never let me

-:KSA:- Skree: That was the rest of the Orange Box

The Terminator: I got bored of Dark Crusade

Riobux: I've had countless fun playing Kane And Lynch online due to that slight sense of paranoia combined with greed.

-:KSA:- Skree: TF2 is just pure, unadulterated multiplayer FPS joy

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: mmo= WoW and for FPS= CoD 4 depends on your preference of game

Zephious: against players....it was a lot funner

Zephious: I loved Eldar...Cloaking was dam useful

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: It's interesting, i dont play wow myself, but i kow people who do and i play on their account at LAN sometimes

Riobux: It takes psychological issues everyone has and throws it into an online mode that is original and fun.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Personally, i like First person shooters, but I like the feeling when you work hard for that epic and you finally get it

Zephious: No No No....not WoW

♥ wMute ♥: Team Fortress 2 is the obvious choice. But let's not overlook Warhawk on the PS3. I think the air-to-air combat in Warhawk is easily the most fun I've had, and when it comes down to it, Warhawk is the game that Battlefield 2142 should've been.

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: halo is a pretty good game

tdtaaron: go wolfenstenin et

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: what do you guys think of Burning Crusade?

Zephious: WoW kills your life

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: its ok

Zephious: drains it

Death: We're talking about FPS games and RPG games and all that, but what about RTS? I mean, Trash is a great game, and is the best RTS game IMO.

Zephious: Repent

The Terminator: its boring

Demo: I am anti Wow

Some_Kittens: halo was good, not great

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: What about Halo

EvIl_-_RuM: burning crusade and all of wow is good id say

-:KSA:- Skree: Warhawk suffers from being PS3 only though

D K Head: I belive that the new versuion for Empires (2.0) is a truely amazing experiance online, the teamwork and community is very good. and the mixture of RTS and FPS has set the standard for future RTS-FPS hybrids

* Zephious hugs demo

Teh Moose: if i could get xbox live to work i would be playing nothing but halo 3

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: first of i dislike wow all together

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: thats the thing

killer_ikke: sorry but i do not like any WoW. i am more of the FPS

Zephious: WoW cant win

Gilbert Rivera: WoW destroys peoples marrage/Relationship with friends...And life it self...

EvIl_-_RuM: wow is the best of its type id say

♥ wMute ♥: WHy should a game suffer for being ps3-only, Skree? A great fun game is a great fun game,r egardless of the platform

Lunarbunny: RTS I say World in Conflict. Just the whole micromanagement without being micro of 500 units makes it cool

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: Wgar about F.E.A.R COMBAR

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Gilbert, only if you let it

Zephious: WoW is bad

Zephious: DC is good

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: COMBAT*

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: WoW has such a stigma, whos to say this is a popularity contest, Blizzard can boast millions of subscribers!

[SJO]JkKolak*C: WoW was a good game, although i completely hate it now since it just took away all my free time

-:KSA:- Skree: I know, but it's the least available console, financially speaking

D K Head: topic guys... this is ONLINE games

Lunarbunny: you get strategy, tactics, and adrenaline :)

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: is anyone listening to me?

killer_ikke: of it's type it is, espaccialy when you look at how many people play it

Riobux: Gilbert, blaming a game is like blaming a cupboard for falling on you after you ran into it as hard as you could.

Christina: Exactly, TF2 is pure fun. In some FPSes it gets tense or it's about some huge battle, which is fun sometimes too, but here it's just so relaxing and entertaining.

Death: WoW is a good game, I'll give it that. However, it is extremely boring. All you do is grind, and hunt all day long for that tier5 epic armor.

Zephious: I think, we can add WoW addicts to AA meetings

Some_Kittens: thats waht i like

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: 1 u need to pay for wow per month, 2 the graphics make me think of disney characters, and 3 its a little overwhelming for begining mmo players

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: WoW is the best mmo out right now in my opinion even thoguh its graphics are failure, you do get addicted by the social atmospher

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Riobux: You caused the fault but you take your whiny frustration out on something that can not fight back.

EvIl_-_RuM: wow is

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: WHAT ABOUT HASLO!?!?!?!??!?!?

﴾(♪░▒▓дІєс▓▒░♪)﴿: HALO

Zephious: No

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it ultimately depends on what you put into it, as with any online game

-:KSA:- Skree: I'm not dissing the PS3, but for the best console online gaming experience, you need to release on the 360, just for the online systems in place and the amount of players available

Some_Kittens: haslo? never heard of it

EvIl_-_RuM: halo just didnt do much at all after bioshock

Gilbert Rivera: No..I have 3 friends who play WoW.... My friends never hang out with people no more and broke up with their girlfriends...Now they play in 2 man shifts a night to do Black Temple.... So yeah I'd say it destroys life

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: you'll get out of WoW what you put into it

BIRDYBANG!!!!: halo is gay and sholuld die

Zephious: Halo 2 wasn't as good as the Xbox one

Teh Moose: in every mmorpg i play people go in fun and enjoyable and end up being really angry and winning obsessive people. in halo 3 I didnt see that at all. i jumped in and played and no one talked smack or called the othe noob or what ever

ViRuS: halo is just a remake of its two prequels and has a short and lacking story

Demo: halo is a rip off of quake style dm with a bad story

Riobux: It destroys lives because they have no self control.

Death: Halo is just a standard FPS games, I don't see what is so great about it. If it wasnt for the book series, It wouldn't be nearly as popular.

[SJO]JkKolak*C: ya i agree gilbert

Lunarbunny: Console ports to PC always feel tacked on

Riobux: If they lack self control, it's only their fault.

HoH|Lt.Hanley: I think Halo is way overated.

Gilbert Rivera: Thank you Kolak!

Zephious: I think Halo is like Marmite: You either love it or hate it

Demo: like GoW

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: WoW doesnt destory life, if you let it destory your life then your weak minded

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Exactly riobux

killer_ikke: to bad that i didn't play on the Xbox 360 during the gameplay in the netherlands.but it looked quite good.

-:KSA:- Skree: Halo 3 is working on a familiar formula, but that doesn't make it bad

♥ wMute ♥: Halo online feels as generic to me as Call of Duty 4. Neither one compares to TF2

tdtaaron: wow rules

D K Head: sorry for this... but i feel it has to be said...

LFG!! LVL 49 EP1C ROUGE, CAN HEAL SELF AND RUN FAST WHEN ITS DIFCULT!11!

is not my idea of a good social atlosphere

Zephious: heh

D K Head: and that is an extract from ironhelm

-:KSA:- Skree: Halo 3 is generic, yeah, so that's why it's not my GOTY, but it's far from 'gay' or whatever

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: You can play WoW in moderation

Riobux: It isn't, but WoW is nothing like that.

Zephious: No, you cant

D K Head: i repeat... thats an extract STRAIGHT from a trial account

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: You ignore people like that, your friends RL or ingame is what im speaking of.

Death: Ninja, WoW is like Mcdonalds. People get addicted easily, and the general masses lack the willpower to do anything about it. Thats why theres a stereotype of "WoW geeks" that are "fat, have glasses, and have alot of acne."

Lunarbunny: Formulaic games are just like formulaic TV shows. You'll play/watch, but at the same time it's not as exciting as say when something like Portal comes out.

Zephious: it takes peoples lives

Gilbert Rivera: lol no.... Why do you think they call it World of Warcrack? Cause its almost addicting to EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THAT DEMONIC GAME!

Riobux: Head, if you really went on it, they are a little more intelligent than Runescape.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i'm no big fan of it, but i really think its worth looking at the amazing job theyve done, it's an online gaming work of art, the way the economy manages to foot itself, the way sychronised guilds can find their way into perpetual conflict, the entire system of Burning Crusade is like a great we;ll oiled machine

♥ wMute ♥: WoW is a totally different breed of animal, imo. It's so tremendously popular that you can't really compare it to other online games

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Christina: I like Halo. It's enjoyable and has good music. I haven't played Halo 3 yet though. Other things got my attention first.

killer_ikke: yes indeed, halo 3 is a really good game and played by millions of people

tdtaaron: wow rules

Zephious: World of Warcraft...no

EvIl_-_RuM: but it still is good other than just being addictive

[SJO]JkKolak*C: when i see my friends who play WoW, i barely recognize them from before they played

ViRuS: wow is also a old game and not 2007

D K Head: thats true... runescape is a haven for retards... but alas, i go offtopic...

Demo: Star craft 2 > wow

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: And why is it addicting? why is world of warcraft addicting?

killer_ikke: to bad that i do not have it myself

HoH|Lt.Hanley: I agree that WoW has so much momentum that noone will pass it.

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: wow upset me, i enjoyed guildwars so much more than wow

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Its a fun game

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: People need to take it in moderation

Zephious: Burning Crusade is 2007

[MFK]Covert329{AoK}[WAR]: guildwars has better gfx too

Zephious: and i dont think you can

tdtaaron: i want that game starcraft 2

Dr.Nick: Andy rules

Zephious: WoW seems to take people

D K Head: they put somthing in the music to keep you playing :P (seriously, try it without sound)

Riobux: If you can't take it in moderation, you don't deserve a life.

[Xfire] Brinstar: I love Guild Wars. :-)

Zephious: and take away their lives

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: but alot of people spend those extra hours to get <insert epic item here>

Zephious: Guild Wars....Eye of the North

Zephious: good

Zephious: but not great

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I never liked guild wars

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: PvP was goood

EvIl_-_RuM: im really waiting until guild wars 2

Zephious: its ok

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: But i hated the level 20 cap

Riobux: I never played Guild Wars.

EvIl_-_RuM: it looks like its going to be good

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: And the generic items

Christina: Good point. It is almost like console exclusivity.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i feel that an opinion based on simply heresay and unbased accusations of it stealing peoples lives are wrong, if you dont keep an open mind about certain things you'll become ignorant

Zephious: it just...kinda...got boring

Riobux: I just played WoW and stuck with it.

Lunarbunny: Guild Wars I've spent 1600 hours on but at the same time I'm getting a bit tired of it

♥ wMute ♥: Guild Wars PVP is one of the most slept-on gaming experiences

Zephious: its all fighting really

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Everyone had the exact same aror

Death: Guild Wars is good in that theres no fee, but all it really is is grinding. I got to lv13, then i HAD to grind because I couldn't do any quests. at that point, I quit

Zephious: no variation

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Armor*

Dr.Nick: what a dilema..

tdtaaron: go starcraft 2

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Guild Wars is good if you dont want to pay monthly but if your going to pay for a game monthly WoW is it.

EvIl_-_RuM: no id say wow

Teh Moose: how come every one i hear complain about halo complain about it being "over rated"... over rated just means they gave it more credit then they disserve it didnt mean they dont diserve any... and why else would it have gotten so much hype? other than people liking it?

-:KSA:- Skree: PotBS I think is where MMOs are going next, it's taken a lot of pointers from EVE, and has put in a proper combat system on top of the traditional MMO one - ship combat in PotBS has to be the most skill based combat we've seen so far in an MMO.

Some_Kittens: SC2 isn't out yet

[Xfire] Brinstar: What are you talking about, Death? There's no level grinding in GW at all.

Teh Moose: and i liked guild wars

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Theres not near as much to do in GW then in WoW

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: GW, did a great job with nightfall and rallied its loyal players back in eye of the north, unfortunately it will only ever appeal to the real "community gamers"

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Zephious: I agree

Lunarbunny: Anybody think Eye of the North's content felt a little tacked-on?

Riobux: They do deserve some, granted.

EvIl_-_RuM: it just really stops at 20

Riobux: But they deserve little.

EvIl_-_RuM: u finish the game and then

Zephious: Yes

EvIl_-_RuM: nothing

Teh Moose: pvp in guild wars is what you're supposed to do

D K Head: ok, halo 3 isnt very good, the combat is bland and the weapons look incredibly dumb in their third reskinning... happy now?

[SJO]JkKolak*C: id say WoW is addicting because u can do almost anything you want, i mean theres a basic guideline, but u can take anypath to get there, u can take a break from ur path, and talk with friends and stuff too, you can make your character different from anyone elses, and you can fight other people online

_ [Milz] _: i love gw

EvIl_-_RuM: in wow u keep going

Robinet: GW,will get really lame after 20...

EvIl_-_RuM: more dungeons

♥ wMute ♥: GW eliminates the whole idea of 'fighting monsters' to progress. It's basically a dungeon, action-arcadish feel: just get through the map and that's that. And to me, that's my idea of fun. Not grinding for hours just to level up

EvIl_-_RuM: outland

ViRuS: GW and WOW are old why are we even considering them

Riobux: If you get a medicore gameplay and throw in good graphics and a decent storyline, you get Halo 3.

EvIl_-_RuM: its just better in my opinion

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: WoW is only as addictive as the player makes it

Riobux: That is it really.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: but WoW copied GW pvp really by putting in Arena

Death: Brinstar- once i hit level 13 (ritualist) I -couldnt- quest anymore, I couldn't handle the next quests, and I completed all the other ones. Thus, I was forced to grind.

Lunarbunny: GW and WoW came out with expansions this year

Zephious: yes

Christina: Hehe , perfect. "It's a lot easier to enjoy things when it's taken for granted that you'll suck at everything."

[Xfire] Brinstar: It's true, Ninja Panda.

Zephious: Eye of the North was ok

Gilbert Rivera: WoW is like a damn Anaconda! It squeezes the life out of people first...Then eats them from the head down........ I used to be a WoWTBC Addict... And I was the anaconda's rat. If you go too deep in its stomach it will DESOLVE YOUR MIND! (Power to the Non-WoW Addicts)!

Riobux: If the gameplay had some originality to it, I'd enjoy it more than "meh, done".

killer_ikke: oh nice comment in the main room against WoW.

tdtaaron: ok lets do leroy jerkins

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i wouldnt consider GW simply because its economy unfortunately rolled over and diead after 4 months of release

Lunarbunny: how so?

Zephious: Yar...WoW kills

tdtaaron: yar

Zephious: its like drugs and alchol

The Terminator: GW has good graphics the gameplay is alright but i got bored of it after a month or 2

♥ wMute ♥: That's the thing: GW isn't a traditional MMO, so talking about 'economy' is a total joke, IMO

Lunarbunny: it's changed but at least it doesn't take a trillion gold to buy anything

Zephious: take in moderation ;)

[Xfire] Brinstar: WoW isn't made for PvP.

Zephious: really?

Demo: consles have halo fanboys, we have wow fanboys

♥ wMute ♥: the best things that Guild Wars does right: Balanced PVP, and Fun campaigns.

Zephious: ahh...RP isn't it

-:KSA:- Skree: Portal had a rellly strange effect on the gaming world

Teh Moose: guild wars changed quite a bit after it came out

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Wow basically intangles you the more you play, wanting to make your person better. Its only worse when u have friends who play often

D K Head: seriously though, who didnt laugh their rear ends off at the comments in Portal?

Teh Moose: i wouldnt base the whole game off of what first came out

-:KSA:- Skree: EVERYONE loves their Companion Cube, EVERYONE feels a strange affection towards the game

EvIl_-_RuM: portal was really good

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: the GW pvp in my opinion crushes WoW, but because of its roleplay economy failure, the PvP is left to the hardcore

Death: WoW is like mcdonalds- people get addicted, and they can't do anything to stop it because of no willpower. Then, people start complaining about it sucking people's lives away (or in mcdonalds case, making people fat).

killer_ikke: have you alsop heard the song at the end of portals?

Zephious: A shame

tdtaaron: leroy jerkins

_ [Milz] _: portal was revolutionary

Riobux: WoW is like fast-food.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: the roleplay side can be quite interesting

EvIl_-_RuM: no it isnt

killer_ikke: thatwas really great

Lunarbunny: I seem to be the only person who didn't hesitate to toss my Companion Cube down the incinerator

Riobux: It's good, it's fun, blah blah blah.

-:KSA:- Skree: I've got to say, Portal has affected the most people, as far as I know

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: WoW is more of a PvE based game then GW

Teh Moose: and yeah people play guild wars for pvp

Christina: The humor in Portal just mad what was already original and great even better.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: WoW isn't made for PvP? I didn't know that, I do know that the game was originally intended for PvE (Player vs envrionment) settings, but they added pvp servers

[SJO]JkKolak*C: thats a very go metaphor

EvIl_-_RuM: because if ur smart it doesnt kill u

D K Head: the best charactor of 2007 (and the next /b/tard target) is the comp cube

Lunarbunny: maybe that's because I'm goal-oriented

-:KSA:- Skree: Lunarbunny, nobody hesitated

Riobux: But in large doses, you look sad and pathetic.

Zephious: they should of released Bioshock later in the year

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Then battlegrounds, then arenas

-:KSA:- Skree: But didn't you feel guilty later?

♥ wMute ♥: GW is not meant to be a 'roleplay' game like WoW. There's no purpose to the economy in GW, because it's artificial. GW should not be a PvE in the sense of WoW and other MMOs.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: WoW is starting to focus on PvP

-:KSA:- Skree: Doesn't that guilt haunt you to this day?!

-:KSA:- Skree: :)

Zephious: Grr...

Lunarbunny: I heard somebody say they took 15+ minutes to try to find a way to save it

Zephious: Mock not Bioshock

-:KSA:- Skree: hahaha

[Xfire] Brinstar: WoW's PvP is unbalanced, and from what I have read, unfixable on that point.

Riobux: Hahaha.

Some_Kittens: wow

killer_ikke: i thoought it was funny to throw him in an incinerator. :P

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: In all honesty Psymonkey, WoW is so successful because it was aimed at both

Zephious: ...

-:KSA:- Skree: IT'S A HER D: haha

Death: In WoW, the twinks own all of the lower level battlefields. As a warrior, and a shaman, I couldn

Riobux: Some people don't play games to fight other characters in PVP.

♥ wMute ♥: People trying to make GW into some kind of virtual world, a la WoW or Everquest, to me, is a joke. that's like talking about an in-game economy in Counter-Strike

Zephious: Stop mocking Bioshock

Zephious: lol

killer_ikke: wioops lol

-:KSA:- Skree: Anyway, enough about my lovely lovely companion cube

Riobux: Personally, I find the WoW's PVP painful and dull.

D K Head: is psychonaughts 2006 or 2007? i forgot

-:KSA:- Skree: R.I.P.

Zephious: well...GW is free

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: WoW's PvP is unbalanced because everyone is at different skill levels. Take for instance the rogue pre-BC. They were insane.

Demo: how many wow suscribers are there?

Death: In WoW, the twinks own all of the lower level battlefields. As a warrior, and a shaman, I couldnt do anything in PVP because of twinks killing me in one hit

SilentSin: GW is awsome i still play it now

[Xfire] Brinstar: Wasn't Psychonauts 2005?

-:KSA:- Skree: I think so Brinstar, yeah

D K Head: not sure, lol

 

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RobFahey: Bioshock was being feted to the high heavens when it came out - now it seems to be lucky to make a top five. Do we all just have short memories?

Lunarbunny: I've been playing more action games than GW recently

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Because alot of the Rogue fan base was younger kids

killer_ikke: somebody had even drwen a companion cube on a table inside my school.

Zephious: No

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: GW was made for PvP but the players ended up finding the PvE far more interesting

Some_Kittens: wow...

Zephious: i shall never forget Bioshock

killer_ikke: *drawn

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: and so arenanet followed that line

Zephious: never have, never will

Lunarbunny: Um...short attention span and LACK OF REPLAYABILITY

♥ wMute ♥: God of War 2: slept-on. People are forgetting, the visuals that the devs managed on the 7-8 year old PS2 is amazing

Zephious: Oo

Riobux: Let's drop WoW.

SilentSin: Bioshock was good yes, but it was not great in my book.

D K Head: Demo: how many wow suscribers are there?

how many subscribers does wow have that havent been deleted/ are chinese gold farmers?

tdtaaron: go dark cursade

-:KSA:- Skree: Bioshock was hyped, a lot, and was given a lot of media attention as the spiritual successor to SS2

Some_Kittens: i havent heard an original opion for a while

Dr.Nick: god of war 2 was simply pure fun to play

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I dont think you can drop WoW from at least top 5

Zephious: Well

Demo: true

-:KSA:- Skree: And it lived up to in, to an extent

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Zephious: i Think it was origional

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Bioshock is one of those games that looks awesome on the commercials, but isnt as good as it sounds in game, kinda like most action movies

EvIl_-_RuM: it has to be there

Zephious: a sequal would be wonderful

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Bioshock was great but better releases replaced it too easily, CoD4 the main one

Lunarbunny: Bioshock I thoroughly enjoyed, but as soon as I finished it, it ended up on the "I'm done!" shelf.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I can't really comment on Bioshock since i haven't played it all too much, so im just gonna hush for now =)

tdtaaron: dark cursade is the best of them all

Zephious: true

[Xfire] Brinstar: BioShock, I'm sure is a great game, but it was massively hyped up.

♥ wMute ♥: Bioshock: great experience in shortterm. But based on how people think about it now... it's clearly the type of game that you say "i enjoyed it when i played it" but likely wouldn't play again in another 2-3 years

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: as far as online gaming goes, it revolutionised the way successful MMORPG's are rated

Christina: Replayability is not an issue for some people. Personally, I rarely replay games. Or only replay a few levels.

Teh Moose: you're right its not as good... its better

EvIl_-_RuM: they really cant make a sequel to bioshock tho

Gilbert Rivera: Dark Crusade is the worste game of the year....Bad graphics and its as borring as Hello Kitty adventures(Not a real game,got it from southpark)

Demo: well blizzard just needs to make better gear and more stuff and people will srill play wow

EvIl_-_RuM: because wat would they be able to do and still stay original and good?

Zephious: I feel that bioshock was as good as they advertised

tdtaaron: dark cursade will cush you all

D K Head: 1up, the complain is that people wanted more training rooms, but there would undoubtedly be complaints that the game had been dragged out of it had been made any longer

_ [Milz] _: lol activision blizzard

Death: Demo, people will always play WoW, for as long as they don't have willpower to break free

Riobux: Bioshock: Good game, but a little over-hyped. It seemed original to all the kids who never touched PC games before 2001. It seems extremily same to System Shock 2. It also seem a little on the easy side. But to be honest, I am basing this mostly on the demo and what I've heard.

-:KSA:- Skree: But it failed to be original, even with a few of it's brilliant features, i.e. Big Daddies (a great concept, an enemy you choose to kill and set against you in a world where everyone else is out to get you. I ended up feeling a strange affinity for the BDs)

killer_ikke: to make WoW a succes they would need to make it chepaer

killer_ikke: *cheaper

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: not rly

EvIl_-_RuM: that would be nice

Death: It already is a success :(

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: its already a success

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yh lol

Zephious: lol

-:KSA:- Skree: But for me, Bioshock's AMAZING storyline which, without giving anything away, challenged the very psyche of the gamer, was it's outstanding point

Zephious: yes

Teh Moose: 8+ million people play wow

Demo: join the "Save the big daddies" fund!

[SJO]JkKolak*C: I was just lost in Bioshock, they should have made the story more clear in the beginning, or put some suspense in the beginning of the story to keep me attached and find out wats happening

killer_ikke: a lot more people would then play it and/or play oit for a longer time

tdtaaron: dark cursade

Lunarbunny: Uh...they're making hundreds of millions

* Zephious joins the fund

ViRuS: Bioshock defintely was a nice game and had some unquie ideas but it seems all we are discussing are fps's and WOW what about the other type of games out there

Lunarbunny: I think that's a success

Teh Moose: which is more than any other online game can say

Some_Kittens: I likded FEARs story line

-:KSA:- Skree: I've never played a game with a more engrossing storyline, and that's what I'll remember

EvIl_-_RuM: i like stalker too

Gilbert Rivera: Dark Crusade(Thumbs Down) WoW(Thumbs Down) Heavenly Sword(Two Thumbs up) CoD4(one thumb up) The end

Lunarbunny: STALKER was good

EvIl_-_RuM: it was good when it came out

Lunarbunny: I played STALKER through twice

♥ wMute ♥: Challenging a gamer's psyche is nothing new. I think Bioshock was overrated by people who haven't played enough of the great, old school classics

-:KSA:- Skree: Not any parts of its gameplay really, that mostly just SS2, but it's storyline I don't think I'll ever forget

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: as far as Portal being too short....its replayability makes up for it, the fact that you have targets.....but it has so much potential for gamemodes, custom games....even multiplayer if they were clever

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: FEAR (I hate to say it) creeped me out completly at times.

[Xfire] Supercop007: I don't know if it's just me, but Bioshock was just too dark for my liking.

Zephious: :/

D K Head:

can i point somthing out to the main room? (xfires, if possible)

you can download extra portal maps off the net, just check the large modding communitys for more info on that

Riobux: Virus, for the fiftyth time, Bioshock is basicly a fucking copy of System Shock 2.

Zephious: I think Bioshock did itself justice

[SJO]JkKolak*C: ya i agree

-:KSA:- Skree: wMute, want to give me an example? :)

Christina: I love it when a game has a good story. That's something I look for.

Zephious: maybe it was a copy

tdtaaron: go dark cursade

Lunarbunny: I have a copy of SS2 here and I'd have to agree

Riobux: Play System Shock 2 and tell me, with a straight face, they are different.

Zephious: but i didnt play the origional

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Great game, but i was always about to have a heart attack playing it =)

Death: I value replayability, which is why I love Oblivion

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Bioshock, was one of the games that i could only play an hour or so in the dark

-:KSA:- Skree: Bioshock has some extra bits, but it's mostly a toned down SS2, yeah

EvIl_-_RuM: yea but u cant really do much in oblivion

 

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RobFahey: You know, every time I glance into the Open room I see people shouting at each other about World of Warcraft, so maybe we should go back to that briefly. Obviously it's still the MMOG people are feeling most love (and hate) for, but did any other MMO catch your eyes this year, or is it all about the Burning Crusade?

Demo: I think the Bioshock story and setting pushes it to the top for reinstating sp is an importent part of a game

Lunarbunny: personally I found food in Bioshock weird

EvIl_-_RuM: i beat it about 5 or 6 times and it was all the same

Lunarbunny: what? I have to eat it now?

Zephious: It was hard to avoid Burning Crusade. Nearly every god-dammed advert on the internet was about it

EvIl_-_RuM: nothing changed it at all

Dr.Nick: what was system shock like

Demo: creepy

[Xfire] Brinstar: Lord of the Rings Online was good, IMO.

killer_ikke: in portals you can also download other maps so its replaybility is very high not mentioning how funny its that there is. The cake is a lie on the wall everytime

Gilbert Rivera: Whats the topic now? We went through about 50

-:KSA:- Skree: WOW, Gilbert ¬_¬

[SJO]JkKolak*C: i never played it, and never see many ppl playing either

D K Head: star wars galaxy (while not new) was acctually making some progress when i looked a few weeks ago... some of the objects you can no longer walk through! (big shock)

Lunarbunny: bioshock is the official question, scroll up

Death: Personally, RF online caught my eye. with a load of different classes, and a good PvP system, I feel it is superrior to WoW in every way

[Xfire] Brinstar: The current topic is other MMOGs

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: well, Burning Crusade is definately a hit for the reasons i made above, but is it just blizzard making bucks off the back off their prodigy? is it all just media pumped addiction?

Zephious: WoW and LOTR online

Demo: Lotro is a much prettier wow

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I didn't like LOTRO just for the classes and the balance issues in PvM

EvIl_-_RuM: id say wow over lotr online

Some_Kittens: what about warrock?

Lunarbunny: oh, mmogs

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: The hunter being the closest thing to a mage?

-:KSA:- Skree: PotBS is a 2008 unfortunately, but I think it's the next real revolutionary MMO

Lunarbunny: maybe I need to pay attention

Zephious: I think Burning Crusade was like the Iphone: All adverts and no talk

Gilbert Rivera: I say death over WoW hows that? lol

Dr.Nick: I miss SWG, everyone left after WoW =(

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Tabula Rasa as far as I know was a flop

Some_Kittens: 2moons

-:KSA:- Skree: EVE is another contender, too

Dr.Nick: wow is the plagye!

tdtaaron: i thought darkcursade brought back all of great things to theserise

[Xfire] Brinstar: Is anyong playing Tabula Rasa?

Zephious: Gilbert Rivera: I say death over WoW hows that? lol seconded

-:KSA:- Skree: Tabula Rasa was awful from the beta I played, hahaha

Dr.Nick: plague*

Demo: SWg is fun for awhile

The Terminator: Tabula Rasa is awsome

killer_ikke: other MMOG's. i do not play many. :P

Christina: CoH/V is pretty refreshed after various updates. At least according to those players I know.

The Terminator: Its so addictive

Death: I was going to play the TR beta, but I heard it sucked, so i stayed away

-:KSA:- Skree: That's not necesarilly a good point in an MMO Terminator :)

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Guild wars cant be a contender jimgeer :)

killer_ikke: anyone that knows a good one?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it had its time

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Most of the people who hate wow were once players who were addicted and got out of it.

killer_ikke: next to guild wars

-:KSA:- Skree: Nobody considering EVE at all, then?

The Terminator: i prefer tabula rasa over WoW

Demo: CoH/V is lvl up! get more superpowrers!

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Im one of those players ninja

D K Head: lorto has much better storytelling and atlosphere then any other game, just relaxing in the shire, and listening to the orchestral music is well worth the monthly fee, and thats not including all the sidequests provided that ARE NOT kill 10 boar style quests (sure you still get them, but there are alot more story based quests)

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: EVE required ALOT of dedication to get satisfaction in the game

EvIl_-_RuM: wow just has so much replayability cause it never ends

Demo: EVe is different

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: More than wow

EvIl_-_RuM: and its never the same

Gilbert Rivera: I bought it from EB Games but cant return it because theyre f-ing jerks! I bought the collectors addition for about 69 bucks and when I got home there was no forking CD IN IT! I was about to punch the guy in the face!

Lunarbunny: EVE I just didn't want to put the time into

Riobux: To be honest, I have no say. WoW's the only real MMORPG I've played.

EvIl_-_RuM: i prefer it over all the others

Lunarbunny: here's my idea of eve

Death: EVE is just grinding, alot of dedication, very expensive, and a completely different setting

Teh Moose: more like world of warcrack

-:KSA:- Skree: Psym0nkey, but you don't see anything like the wars between corps in any other MMO

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Riobux Ill agree with you.

-:KSA:- Skree: But yeah, it's not a casual gamer's MMO at all :)

Zephious: World of Warcraft is all media attention, and sucks to play

Christina: TR has had mixed reviews, but supposedly they were making a lot of changes from the beta.

[SJO]JkKolak*C: haha maplestory....

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: That is true

Demo: Eve is too daunting

-:KSA:- Skree: If TR changed from it's beta, I won't condemn it yet

Demo: not very assecible I think

Gilbert Rivera: Maplestory is gay...All I got to say

Lunarbunny: Games and books we read are distilled, the boring details are wrung out. EVE is the un-distilled version of those stories.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: for a Casual MMo gamer, GW is the way to go.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: there are plenty of theories as to why WoW has so much success, it hink most of it came off the back of their RTS games, the actual system in place of the MMORPG is very generic style, like Everquest or Lineage

EvIl_-_RuM: eve just is not worth it i think

Death: Demo- I disagree, its easy to learn and get used to. the problem is getting from a newbie to somebody who can fight in a war

killer_ikke: i have played the trial version of EVE it was indeed very good but i didn't wanted to play the monthly fee

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Oh wow, Maplestory, yet so horrible, was an addiction for me for a while

Lunarbunny: You get the extremely exciting portions you read about in EVE but at the same time you get the boring, everyday life stuff.

Zephious: seemed ok

-:KSA:- Skree: If you can get through EVE's ridiculous tutorial, you can probably enjoy the game ;)

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I liked the idea for Maplestory, BUT theres no point to the game. You level up... yay... what happens now?

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Death: Also, alot of hackers

Lunarbunny: Maplestory was good for about 10 hours to me

[SJO]JkKolak*C: Tobe better than everyone else

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Chris, GW is like an entirely different beast of MMO

The Terminator: i played maplestory for 15 minutes and i removed it straight away cause it was so boring

Lunarbunny: then...no

Christina: I don't think the influx of new small free or cheap MMOs is a bad thing. I just reinstalled Dofus.

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: The community is terrible as well

-:KSA:- Skree: (Blizzard are staying as Blizzard)

EvIl_-_RuM: welll they didnt have anything for ani-hacking

Christina: It's hilarious

█▓▒ Psym0nkey:

Alot of jerks =/

Zephious: Oh god....The tutorial for Star Wars Galaxies got you bored soon

-:KSA:- Skree: (Activision are changing to Activision Blizzard)

Gilbert Rivera: What about Heavenly Sword? Has anyone played that?

Death: Runescape>Maplestory

Death: I played it, didnt like it too much

Lunarbunny: I skipped the PS3 for price reasons

Zephious: no, sorry. Heavenly Sword any good?

The Terminator: heavenly sword is cool

[SJO]JkKolak*C: The point of MapleStory, for me atleast, was to be a higher level than my friends, or people around me.

Death: Didn't even have voice acting

[SJO]JkKolak*C: it was a race

Gilbert Rivera: I love the Heavenly Sword's action. Its great

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Lol, you hit the nail on the head SJO

EvIl_-_RuM: i just have a question about heavenly sword....... how does she fight with that hair?

Demo: Eve nneds a better interface and easier to get into, the learning curve is steep and too long for most people to get up it and have fun

Some_Kittens: thats the point of most mmos

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Thats all there is to do in that game.

Death: I feel that God of War 2 is very superrior to Heavenly Sword

Dr.Nick: I miss SWG when it had tons of people

Demo: which is the most importent part of any game

Gilbert Rivera: And Runescape as said before... is a Haven for nerds/retards. End of topic for Runescape

-:KSA:- Skree: Demo, you really think so?

♥ wMute ♥: All I can say is, if there was a Grand Theft Auto Online, would we be possibly be talking having a debate about what would be the "best" MMO? When dealing with Monthly Pay games, they're all fun; but when it comes down to it really, it's about which game gets the bigger Marketing budget. And that's why WoW continues to dominate, whether it's fun for the person or not.

Zephious: SWG used to be good

[SJO]JkKolak*C: ya psymonkey

The Terminator: personally i think Heavenly Sword is too easy, you can get hit so many times and you dont die

killer_ikke: you know the PS 3 is a really good console. i played on one at the gameplay and it was really nice

Zephious: until they changed it

Lunarbunny: I don't know much about SWG, just that SOE screwed it up

Dr.Nick: gow2 is superior to heavenly sword

-:KSA:- Skree: Accessibility is important for popularity, but not for actually quality of a game in my opinion

Demo: yeah

Death: SWG was the BEST MMORPG I have EVER played, but then SOE ruined it and now its worse then runescape

[Xfire] Brinstar: I was not impressed with the Heavenly Sword demo.

Christina: Actard. Nice

Zephious: yup

Teh Moose: if you think of games as drugs.. then runescape or maplestory would be the gateway drug.. wow is crack and gw is probably something close

Teh Moose: and then it goes on until you die

Demo: SWG was good

Death: lol, very true

killer_ikke: with GTA 4 or something there will be a multiplayer

Dr.Nick: yeah swg was more addictive than wow in the beginning

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: lol, nice analogy moose =)

Riobux: Halo series would be LCD.

D K Head: yep, even runescape swallowed a few weeks of my life... it somthing about all the new areas to explore, but after a while that starts to fade away... its the reason why so many people like BF2, even now they are still discovering new and interesting locations, just watch a few BF2 machinima vids... they are full of places filmed in sandbox, in out of reach locations that are a joy for new players to discover... in the same way wow pulls in people with its large areas... but after a while most inteligent people realise that the areas are just copied and pastes objects in diffrent arangements

Death: yeah, SWG rocked

[SJO]JkKolak*C: how about knights of the old republic, although old, classic for me, i could not stop playing it, how you really can pick your own path

Death: well, until NGE

Zephious: Star Wars galaxies was addictive to me as well

♥ wMute ♥: Heaven Sword had a great presentation packaged and it looked amazing. But the thing is, God Of War 2 plays amazing, and looks amazing... and it's on an 8 year old PS2 system

Riobux: Psychonauts would be Mushrooms ("LOOK AT THE PRETTY COLOURS!").

Zephious: and yar

[SJO]JkKolak*C: very fun game when it came out

Teh Moose: starwars battlefront

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: a lot of the MMO's this year lost sight of what an MMO is meant to be, they do, this is a fact, go observe if you like, they do actually attempt to mimic the WoW style, and unltimately cripple themself, cos u get a load of samey MMORPGS, just an Orc is called an Ork and a Human is called a Terran

Zephious: Lucasarts really did ruin SWG

ViRuS: What about a non fps or rpg game say like ace combat 6 or rachet and clank or World of conflict we can't focus on just mmorpg and fps

D K Head: and meat - riobux

Some_Kittens: Ratchet and clank=awesomness

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I never got to try SWG. I feel robbed.

Death: not lucasarts, SOE

-:KSA:- Skree: RTS had some interesting developments this year too

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: DTD!

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: OMG

Lunarbunny: I really don't like the fact that EVERYBODY wants to be World of Warcraft II

D K Head: acctually... a few emulator groups are bringing back the preCG days

Death: SOE=Sony Online Entertainment, they were in charge of deving it

-:KSA:- Skree: SupCom vs CnC3 was an interesting war

-:KSA:- Skree: The new versus the traditional

Gilbert Rivera: Who ever said they skipped the PS3 for price reasons...the PS3 got the 400 dollar one like the 360 now. So dont skip it these holidays!

 

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RobFahey: Casual games... Desktop Tower Defence got a mention earlier, and destroyed my productivity for a month. Anyone else have any favourites?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: DTD is a legendary concept

EvIl_-_RuM: supcom won that i think

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i swear i could kiss the creator

Death: Flash Circle TD, got me addicted for a while. Im a sucker for a good TD

ViRuS: Supreme Com. Forged alliance is a good canidate i would say at least for a rts

♥ wMute ♥: the best casual game: Attack! for Facebook. It's basically a flash-based Risk... but for Facebook.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Dolphin olympics is a lot of fun :)

Christina: For me, anything by Ferry Halim.

D K Head: line riders is great fun for a few minutes... and while it probaly dosent count... roller coaster tycoon still swallows large chuinks of my life after school

[Xfire] Brinstar: Desktop Tower Defense, OMG.

Christina: Winterbells

[Xfire] Brinstar: A bunch of people here at Xfire really got into DTD.

Christina: Oh, and I discovered the crack that is Peggle, thanks to the Orange Box. Though that isn't a new release.

-:KSA:- Skree: Peggle is worth a mention, yeah

-:KSA:- Skree: A luck based timewaster, but an addictive one

-U4EA-Sh1n0b1®: peggle deluxe is awesome

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Casual games are very much overlooked

EvIl_-_RuM: i never really liked peggle

Gilbert Rivera: Holy crap its been 46 minutes since the chats started

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: ooh yes i forgot, Yahtzee did one on Peggle

EvIl_-_RuM: lol yes it has

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Peggle is awesome :)

Christina: I loved his Peggle review.

D K Head: the HL version was fun

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i hate to say this but it could beat DTD in my books :O

D K Head: never bought the real thing

♥ wMute ♥: I see the casual game debate isn't taking off. Nobody here plays casual games?

D K Head: lol, probaly

Zephious: who remembers bomberman? xD

Demo: not really

D K Head: me, lol

Some_Kittens: me

Zephious: truely awesome game

EvIl_-_RuM: not really...... fps and wow are the betters by far

killer_ikke: Bomberman FTW :P

Demo: i play tetris in math class though

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I think if Pacman was jazzed up a bit and i dont mean "3d" keep the classic elements and progress with it

killer_ikke: it is even there for the DS

Christina: I do, mostly when doing something else or wanting a quick timewaster.

♥ wMute ♥: I think the best casual games are thos puzzle games, or 'escape' games. they're all clones of each other, but all of them are fun.

-:KSA:- Skree: Tetris DS, does that count as casual?

Gilbert Rivera: You know what I think? I think everyone should play Pong!

Zephious: well, bomberman has been remade so many times...

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: pacman has an incredibly addictive thing :P

Zephious: and dont forget sonic

 

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RobFahey: Another quick (maybe) one for you... If I asked you to make Oscars-style picks for Best Music in a Videogame and Best Art in a Videogame, what would be your picks for the year?

Some_Kittens: MARIO!

Gilbert Rivera: Pong for Life

-:KSA:- Skree: Although I play it as a competative game, haha

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: hmmm

Demo: Bioshock

-:KSA:- Skree: Best Music in a Videogame has to be Portal hands down

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

-:KSA:- Skree: That song has made history

EvIl_-_RuM: bioshock

Demo: art wise

EvIl_-_RuM: by far

♥ wMute ♥: Heavenly Sword or Assassin's Creed

Zephious: Bioshock

Demo: portal song

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I have to say, i remember commenting on how good the COD 4 soundtrack was

Zephious: actually.....Guild Wars is good

Teh Moose: best music goes to halo3 for me

EvIl_-_RuM: its pretty good

-:KSA:- Skree: Art-wise, Bioshock's style was amazing, if you can count Sander Cohen's poetry as art, then they win

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Portal =)

Demo: portal credits are better

D K Head: best music - LOTRO since the players themselves can compose and play music straight from file, or improv for truely artistic experiances (unless theres lag)

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Guild Wars is definately commendable

Teh Moose: or creed

EvIl_-_RuM: but bioshock is stilll the best i think

Teh Moose: cause bioshock wasnt original music

Zephious: Yes, shame there isn't a new X-universe game

Demo: that's a game mechanic

Teh Moose: it was music from the 1960s

Zephious: their music was always impressive

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: GW Invest quite a lot in their soundtracks dont they?

[Xfire] Brinstar: GW art and music are both excellent. Jeremy Soule really did a bang up job on the compositions for the Eye of the North

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yeah

Riobux: Best music in a game: As sad as it is, I'd probably choose Guitar Hero 3 or Rock Band.

I was never much of a classical fan.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i love the way it flows with the scenery

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: and fits the action

Zephious: indeed

Zephious: both were good, in my opinion

-:KSA:- Skree: Guitar Hero 3 does not count for best soundtrack! XD

Demo: I consider the bioshock music sound design

EvIl_-_RuM: i htink i like the music on Gh2 better than GH3 tho

Riobux: :(.

[Xfire-TTHS] Paddy: NO WHAY

Riobux: GH2 soundtrack is better, way better.

Christina: Bioshock's art and design was just really impressive.

Teh Moose: yes

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Zephious: Bioshock, If i were to go with the crowd

Riobux: It does count.

Zephious: otherwise, Guild Wars

D K Head: no no... best music in a game... wip3out (or wipeout 3), the techno tracks really bring out the fast paced games, and compiment the tracks perfectly (i used to belive they modled the tracks on the music played)

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yeh GH2, plus the modified GH2 through the fire and flames, is much better than the GH3 through the fire and flames XD

EvIl_-_RuM: it was one of those games where u had to forcibly pull urself away for a reson

♥ wMute ♥: For both Music and Art, i'd go with Assassin's Creed. Very few developpers would dare take on historical backdrops and I think in terms of creating an 11th century Jerusalem is an achievement in itself. Also, it's good to see medievel-based games held OUTSIDE of Europe. Outside of Prince of Persia, I don't think there's many games that shines even a bit of light on the middle-east. Jerusalem was the New York of it's time, in terms of culture and religions mixing, and I think Assasin's Creed is easily the best in transporting gamers to that point in time

Riobux: Thank you very much Rob, GH2 or if that's not 2007, GH3 or Rock Band is best.

Demo: Ac is too new

Gilbert Rivera: I say Rock Band

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I'm sorry AC music is quite bland in terms of game music

EvIl_-_RuM: id say GH3 over rock band

HoH|Lt.Hanley: lease guys you have to understand that you play theses games for two different reasons they really should not be fighting for the top. GH3 is a asome game so is the rest of the GH series but understand this that it is more of a single player experience. As Rock Band wich tries to be a little more realistic is more for a muiltplayer experience and just having a bunch of friends rock out while looking stupid trying to use the mic and stuff. They are really really two different games that play two different ways. So if you dont have a nuch of friends to play with or so i would say get GH3 but if you do have lots of friends and what some fun get Rock Band.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I'm surprised nobody mentioned Halo

Christina: I haven't played either yet, but Rock Band seems much more fun, given the variety.

Gilbert Rivera: 4 people can play at once which makes it alot better

Teh Moose: I DID mention halo

D K Head: halo music isnt really that good

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Halo is all a bit Samey now, definately inspirational

Demo: only opening chorus

ViRuS: rock band seems much more in detph the gh

EvIl_-_RuM: it might have been good on the first halo

-:KSA:- Skree: Thoughts on MP3?

D K Head: it was just released at a bland time... thats the only reason it became popular

Riobux: Halo samey?

EvIl_-_RuM: but now its just the same music

Riobux: It's like a photocopy.

♥ wMute ♥: Heavenly Sword probobly had better music, you're right

Gilbert Rivera: Who ever wants to talk more add me on Xfire (wowplr1) im about to go soon, but I don't wanna lol

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: the music in halo, its all constant beat, trum and and stylised marching

Teh Moose: you can't really say rockband or guitar hero is best for music... because it isn't theirs..

D K Head: a slightly better then decent game stands out amoung crappies like a clean ball of glass stands out in a bin full of rubbish... the ball of glass still looks like rubbish next to a diamond, but it looked good when you first saw it

Demo: are we combinding sound and music into one catagory?

killer_ikke: portal multiplayer will be a hit

Teh Moose: i hope not

EvIl_-_RuM: no i dont think so...... some have good sounds but no good music

D K Head: how could you make multiplayer?

EvIl_-_RuM: and vice versa

Teh Moose: (music & art i mean)

♥ wMute ♥: the music in Rock Band and Guitar Hero are COVERS of the original music. It shouldn't count. It's more of a soundtrack, rather than an actual Musical Score that accompanies the story and plot of a single player game

D K Head: it wouldn't work

 

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RobFahey: The undoubtedly lovely -:KSA:- Skree asks: Where would you rank singleplayer versus multiplayer in terms of FPS GOTY? Which do you think is more important to the gaming public as a whole?

ViRuS: true gh and rb aren't origanol tracks

killer_ikke: no but maybe maps wich you need multiple people for

killer_ikke: that you have some sort of a Co-op mode

Teh Moose: yeah

Demo: Co-op sp is fun

Death: I feel multiplayer is more important, it brings the community together, and is alot more fun

Gilbert Rivera: For 08' I already put Metal Gear Solid 4 for my vote :D

[Xfire-TTHS] Paddy: I hate the fact that gh only have few master tracks

Riobux: Singleplayer is VERY important. Think of the people who can't use X-Box 360 live for instance? If you shove it so it's multiplayer dependant, it starts becoming painful to play games.

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Teh Moose: things that involve 2 or more people playing together at once is a good thing to me

Christina: Definitely a good question. And that sort of goes back to the old can of worms about whether multiplayer is siphoning off dev time or length in single player modes.

D K Head: multiplayer is always important, but skill level can taint a game... if yopu keep dieing you might be tempted to blame a bad gameplay error, or bad hitboxes, whereas a singleplayer experiance is the same for everyone, so i would say singleplayer, as it is fairer to judge a game by that... and getting stuck in a room full of hackers who erase your disconnect button is always nasty for a review

♥ wMute ♥: There are great multiplayer games from 2006 and 2007 that are still played. Hell, Counter-Strike 1.6 is still the most played multiplayer game. In terms of GOTY, it should always be the best single player experience, rather than multiplayer.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: I think multiplayer is definately the largest market in gaming, it brings with it so much profit, its kind of like getting the balance between a game being a work of art, with a storyline, and having a carefully moulded and well crafted multiplayer

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Multiplayer is more important to the public as a whole because multiplayer is where the interaction with other players is and what keeps you playing for years after its release, the same campaign over and over is lame.

[Xfire-TTHS] Paddy: I only buy games to play multiplayer

Gilbert Rivera: Me too Paddy

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Well, with everyone being connected, I would be safe to say the multiplayer would be more important due to replayability. Singleplayer is great, dont get me wrong, but the game is usually the same every time you play it. No change.

Demo: Mp is where you get your moneies worth usually

tdtaaron: paddy

Gilbert Rivera: I love the challenge

[Xfire-TTHS] Paddy: sup :P

Lunarbunny: I think I've logged 100 hours in cod4 multi :p

D K Head: well, thats your choice, can you explain WHY though paddy?

Christina: Personally, single player is more important to me, but I also want good multiplayer.

 

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RobFahey: The undoubtedly lovely -:KSA:- Skree asks: Where would you rank singleplayer versus multiplayer in terms of FPS GOTY? Which do you think is more important to the gaming public as a whole?

ViRuS: multiplayer is great in a game but many of the multiplayer games end up being the same type of gameplay

Teh Moose: people that play halo pretty much just do multiplayer

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: exactly, a lot more will go for multiplayer........but if you want your game to be outstanding, it should have an original plot, and well crafted singleplayer

♥ wMute ♥: I play more multiplayer games than single player games. But because the best MP games last for years... I think when in a discussion for GOTY, it should be all about the best Single Player game

[Xfire-TTHS] Paddy: i think ive logged over 1k hrs on wow :\\

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: As for the people who cant get xbox live and such (me being one of them with my internet latency) I still find multiplayer more important

Riobux: I buy games mostly for singleplayer mode, due to the ammount of retards on X-Box live.

Teh Moose: i dont see why every one complains about the story

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Thats nothing paddy, i have 2.6k hours...

Demo: deja vu anyone?

Lunarbunny: hard to choose, I'd say if the game lacks a multiplayer element it needs some sort of aspect to make it more replayable

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: err, somewhere around there

Teh Moose: very deja vu

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Single player lures you in but multiplayer keeps you there.

D K Head: Forget GOTY, what was the worst game this year?

hal... thats not a fair question, or answer

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Multiplayable RPG's such as Hellgate London and Diablo......i cant live without my community and at least i'd know that theres always RPG in place

Teh Moose: well put ninja

«420»Teal'c: ello

Demo: how about the most dissapointing

ViRuS: Halo3

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Demo: hellgate ranks up there

♥ wMute ♥: based on what other people say, Hellgate London and Tabula Rasa might've been the worst games. personally, I'd vote for Madden 08 for the PS3, because of how awfully buggy it was

Demo: indeed

EvIl_-_RuM: i think it is

Death: Multiplayer=community

community=profit

profit=supported

In the end, multiplayer is what matters, although SP is important too

Teh Moose: exactly

Christina: I love how there's so much genre blending going on these days.

Lunarbunny: I'd have liked Tabula Rasa more if they didn't have lame sticky-aiming

D K Head: dont know about you... but tebula Rasai was expecting a FPs on a massive scale

Gilbert Rivera: Yeah the story is what people get interested it most

«420»Teal'c: What do you think is better PS3 or Xbox 360?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: the games themselves arnt great............the concepts are tho................Multiplayable,, shooter action, RPG

Gilbert Rivera: in*

Riobux: 360.

Death: neither, Wii

Kane: X360

killer_ikke: yes without multiplayer games the game industry would earn a lot less

«420»Teal'c: I think Xbox 360

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: pleases a big crowd :) even MMO'ers

 

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RobFahey: So how about this poser from the wonderful Lunarbunny: Is art direction or technological achievement more important?

Teh Moose: 360

Demo: art

Gilbert Rivera: Wii must die! Sony Rules!

Christina: Not necessarily, since singleplayer could mean more copies sold, and in many cases, PC players play multiplayer for free.

Teh Moose: followed by wii and i guess ps3

D K Head: tough one...

Demo: makes things refreshing and nice to look at

Teh Moose: 360 in front

«420»Teal'c: SONY suckz

♥ wMute ♥: Art and Tech is always important, but it's not what you look for the most in games.

Death: technoligcal acheivement, art may lure in, but it NEEDS gameplay. graphics doesnt matter as much

Riobux: ...That makes no sense.

Kane: It's not that they suck.

Kane: The PS3 was released too early.

Kane: IMO.

♥ wMute ♥: Crysis is a perfect example of how Tech is meaningless.

ViRuS: yes

Demo: Doom 3 had a more impressive engine than the farcry engine, but farcry look much better

Some_Kittens: it was a cheap bluray player

ViRuS: cyrsis was a great fx game

ViRuS: but had no playibility

♥ wMute ♥: Exactly.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: yes Mute

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Im putting my vote for art direction

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i totally agree

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Death: Art doesnt make a game, but gameplay does.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: its meaningless to 99% of the gaming community

D K Head: very tough :P, i'd say that art is only used to give the user a feel for the game, but technological advancement must also be done, but its not essential... i guess its a yin yan thing. you need both to create a good game

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: the small amount of gamers who keep their rigs running off diesel with ridiculous horsepower will benefit

EvIl_-_RuM: yea but would u rather have a game looking like crap with good gameplay or a game that looks amazing with crappy gameplay?

♥ wMute ♥: I think, though, that when certtain multiplayer games all end up the same, art can help. Take a look at TF2: the art in TF2 gives the game that fun and personality that makes it an overall fun experience.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: not the avg gamer

ViRuS: if art amde a game then games like mario still wouldn't be selling

killer_ikke: nice worst game this year^^

Gilbert Rivera: Even though im a PS3 addict I say 360 for Bioshock and the other good looking games out there.

D K Head: art requires good technology, but technolagy only provides the wireframe for the art

D K Head: you need bpth, neither is more important

Christina: I don't know, I got to finally play SMG recently and thought the art direction was really well done.

 

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RobFahey: Curses, more agreement between panelists. Well then, the probably quite mewling and furry Some_Kittens wants to know: Forget GOTY, what was the worst game this year?

Riobux: Worse game this year: Vampire Rain.

Riobux: There is no contest.

Demo: i'd say 60% art/ 40% tech combo is good

-:KSA:- Skree: Haha

-:KSA:- Skree: I can't say I've played many crap games this year, to be honest

D K Head: halo 3? no i wont say that

D K Head: oops

Riobux: There is nothing that can deny Vampire Rain that win/

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: Maplestory.

Demo: spore, it disn't come out

Some_Kittens: vampire rain?

D K Head: this year

-:KSA:- Skree: Everything that I've sampled or bought has been of a really high quality this year

Riobux: Horrible...Horrible...

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: in all honesty....Movie games?

EvIl_-_RuM: yea really

Some_Kittens: yeah

EvIl_-_RuM: this year has been a generally good yea

D K Head: DVD games? lol

EvIl_-_RuM: *year

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: well, MS didnt come out this year

Teh Moose: movie games are just to make money

Gilbert Rivera: Maplestory should die...Mostly 11 year olds play that. No effence to 11yr olds in here...if there are any

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: so nevermind >

Teh Moose: but otherwise..

Gilbert Rivera: MGS for life.

Teh Moose: wow movie?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: games into movies works well......apart from Doom :P

D K Head: red steel wasnt this year...

Demo: i'm glade the halo movie died

D K Head: lol

Gilbert Rivera: Too bad its not comming out till 09 lol

♥ wMute ♥: Metal Gear SOlid would be a great HBO series. I don't think you can condense a great MGS story into 2 hours

D K Head: i thought doom movie was good

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: red steel wasnt a game originally

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: concept from comic

Teh Moose: im a halo fan and even i thought making a movie about halo was stupid

D K Head: ahh

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: :)

«420»Teal'c: I think that if the actor of the movie helps make the game it has a higher chance of turning out better

-:KSA:- Skree: Well, TC, it became a game, haha

killer_ikke: hitman hmm i have only played the first version and that one was great.

-:KSA:- Skree: You can hardly argue that :P

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: haha

Demo: two worlds = the suckiest game ever

Gilbert Rivera: Theres a rumor going around that Christian Bale will be snake. My reaction "$#@% THAT BULL#!%^"

D K Head: the universe really isnt deep enough for a movie... unless they expand the halo world... the movie will suck

[Xfire] Brinstar: Wow, really? I never pictured him as Snake

♥ wMute ♥: agreed. Two Worlds: the most uninspiring, unoriginal and generic CRPG i've ever played

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: World of warcraft is actually making a movie

Riobux: If in doubt, it'll be shit.

-:KSA:- Skree: D K Head, did you read the Halo novels?

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: So is dragon ball Z

D K Head: no...

♥ wMute ♥: Christian Bale would be a great Snake

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: You are not prepared...

D K Head: please... god... no

EvIl_-_RuM: i agree

Gilbert Rivera: No he wouldnt...a gay one

ViRuS: lol

Demo: what's the most under appreaciated game of the year?

Christina: Ha, Ninjabread Man.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: omg....a warcraft movie....im shocked with their amazing cutscene advert styles they havnt made an FF7 AC esque film

[Xfire] Brinstar: I don't really say why David Hayter can't be Snake. He already looks somewhat like Snake.

D K Head: i know what the worst game this yhear was... peggle :P

Lunarbunny: hmmm...probably something I haven't heard of

-:KSA:- Skree: Anyway, making a Halo movie based on the first book would work, to be honest

Lunarbunny: eh? I liked peggle

♥ wMute ♥: Persona 3: the most unappreciated game of the year

D K Head: so did i

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: haha! Peggle the movie!

D K Head: but it isnt a good game, is it?

Demo: I'd say the witcher

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: ^^

ViRuS: i agree with demo there

EvIl_-_RuM: yyea

Christina: Why not, they already made Minesweeper the movie. Trailer, anyway.

Gilbert Rivera: Yeah David Hayter would be the best. He is the Voice for snake for cying out loud. I mean really. I think Hideo is just being gay once again

«420»Teal'c: How do you guys feal about COD 4 and Halo 3 which do you think is better?

EvIl_-_RuM: so do i i thinks

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: I don't remember seeing ANY hype for witcher

«420»Teal'c: i think Halo3

D K Head: cod4

Gilbert Rivera: CoD4

█▓▒ Psym0nkey: which was surprising

EvIl_-_RuM: cod 4

Demo: first Eaast euro rpg with decent acting!

EvIl_-_RuM: by far

D K Head: even my teacher is playing cod4

EvIl_-_RuM: halo3 just didnt do much

«420»Teal'c: lol

♥ wMute ♥: David Hayter is a good voice actor. He wouldn't be great in live-action

[Xfire] Brinstar: His voice is really sexy.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Each has its ups and downs, but in my opinion they are both just "expansions" off the old version (CoD 3 and Halo2)

D K Head: what about worst games before 2007?

D K Head: you've never played cod3 have you?

♥ wMute ♥: even with Snake, he has a distinct but kinda speaks in the same tone through all the games. There's really no variety to his tone

Demo: ET!

«420»Teal'c: i would say ET for a ATARI 2600

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: eT?

Demo: worst game ever

Lunarbunny: montonoy?

«420»Teal'c: lol

 

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RobFahey: The prolific :KSA:- Skree wants to know: Was Metroid Prime 3 perhaps one of the bigger disappointments of the year? What's your thoughts on the Wii's games in general? Do they lack a solid, mainstream game, or do you think Ninendo's provision this year has been sufficient?

D K Head: which one demo? wolfenstein or quake?

Riobux: ET, oh the joy of playing that.

Lunarbunny: I haven't finished it yet but I've enjoyed it so far

Riobux: I completed it in a day.

Demo: the atari one

D K Head: ohh

D K Head: ick

Riobux: The ending is amazing.

Lunarbunny: I need new batteries or a battery pack for my wiimote

♥ wMute ♥: lol, you know what's kinda funny. Nobody has mentionned Quake Wars that much in this debate. I think that calls for ET:QW to be the most disappointing game of the year

D K Head: i'm just glad i avoided that

Lunarbunny: I enjoyed QW but CoD4 kind of took its place quickly

killer_ikke: wii games in general. hmmm they actually dissapointed me a bit

D K Head: the movie sucked... my nan forced me through it... glad i was born after the abomination lol

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

Christina: I think the release window did hurt Metroid Prime 3.

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: most disappointing....HEllgate :(

[Xfire] Brinstar: Why Hellgate?

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it gave so many promises

Stave: Penis.

EvIl_-_RuM: and didnt meet then

«420»Teal'c: What do you guys think is the best multiplayer game this year

«420»Teal'c: ???

Stave: Team Fortress 2

EvIl_-_RuM: i think hellgate would be down farthest

Demo: QW is a bf rip off

Gilbert Rivera: What about Rainbow Six Vegas...Was that 07?

Riobux: Kane And Lynch.

EvIl_-_RuM: but not the worst

killer_ikke: the best multiplayer

Demo: hell gate uber sucked, point an shit

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Nintendo makes games that are good to enjoy with friends in the same room and such as you, as for single player and online play, Nintendos games just lack the essence that attracts hardcore gamers, Xbox and PC attract hardcore gamers more, but the Wii has been suffcient for what people use it for, Casual Gaming

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: it looked like it would really bring its genre into the mainstream, there are very few widely played Action multiplayer RPG

ViRuS: The Wii had a great revolution in technology but no good games i can see a new system using the smae tech with better games stealing all the money and shutting down the wii

Christina: People keep blaming a lack of software purchases, because the system comes with a pack-in and apparently lots of people are satisfied.

killer_ikke: i would go for TF2 although i haven't played it that much

Lunarbunny: I find the Wii to be a good game for when I'm not in the mood for PC games

♥ wMute ♥: Hellgate wasn't disappointing to me because it wasn't really on my radar in the first place. but if you think about it, a post-apocalyptic London would be the most awsome setting for a game, yet the maps were generic and repetetive.

Lunarbunny: er good game system*

Demo: nintenda is full of a bunch of brilliant ctazy asains who can't always guess what we westerners want

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: hmm

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i had it on my radar since Nov 06.....so compared to wat they aimed for

Lunarbunny: They did better at guessing in the late 80s/early 90s

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: i really dont think it lived up :(

«420»Teal'c: Do you guys enjoy the Xbox 360 or PC more??

Christina: But I think there are also crappy titles to wade through. Problem is also that a llot of developers underestimated the Wii's potential.

Ҳ Ninja Panda Ҳ: Wii is a mainly Casual based console, its the "flash" style games on console really.

ViRuS: yes

D K Head: with motion sensors

Demo: PC do more with em, more mature people on (usually)

EvIl_-_RuM: yea

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: Wii has so much potential

Lunarbunny: You should see screenshots of a lot of the Wii games compared to some of the flagship titles

♥ wMute ♥: What about Shadowrun? I loved the shadowrun setting, but turning the game into an FPS rather than anything close to the Sega Genesis, or even the SNES version of Shadowrun, was a disappointment

Christina: '08 should start to sort of show it off more

-:KSA:- Skree: Ninja Panda, actual flash games on the internet are hella fun on the Wii too :P

Lunarbunny: there is a lot of cheap "optimization" going on like upscaling and low texture res

{TC} ΣΜКΛҮ: geometry wars for Wii would be cool ^^

ViRuS: wii has a great potetnial that will be stolen if they are not careful and use it themselves

Lunarbunny: some of it so bad it looks like N64

Riobux: Wii has potential?

Riobux: No.

Riobux: No it doesn't.

Lunarbunny: Riobux: what console do you own?

 

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RobFahey: I was going to ask this as a follow-up, but the extraordinarily difficult to pronounce [SJO]JkKolak*C got there first: Why do you think the Wii is in demand while many of the games were thought of as trash?

[Xfire] Brinstar: It had potential last year, and it fulfilled quite a lot of its potential since then.

♥ wMute ♥: Wii is a great system to own... but i wouldn't put it on the top shelf of my home entertainment system

Teh Moose: well

EvIl_-_RuM: it still has potential tho

Lunarbunny: I think that people still see...potential

Riobux: X-Box 360, PS2, PS1, Mega-Drive 2 and 1.,,,Why?